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LF PVP guide for potatoes!
Swomp23
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PVP potato here, trying to learn. Xbone NA
(If not interested by the backstory, jump directly after the ****)
So, I come from PVE, did pretty much everything except for vet trials. Proudest accomplishment is vMA clear when i was 400 CP (about a month ago).
During witches festival, I switched my 2 mag DPS into healers and my 2 stam DPS into tanks to get faster queues (while fulfilling my role... I despise fake tanks) and grind some CPs. I tried to grind dolmens and public dungeons, got bored to death after 1h and went back to daily randoms on all chars. After 2 weeks, I'm now pretty bored of running dungeons.
At the same time, I did a daily random BG on every char, also to farm exp. Altough I always hated pvp before (5 mins horse simulator followed by a 2 seconds instagib), I got to like BGs. First, being grouped with (and against) other potatoes really helped. Second, going right back into action after a death helped to learn much faster. After a while, I felt like I could hold my ground a little better and changed my PVE build for a proper PVP one (impen instead of divines, mainly) for my stamDK.
Then yesterday, I went back to Cyrodiil to try to actually enjoy AvA instead of just to farm Vigor. I'm on XBox, and with murkmire just released yesterday, I figured it would be a great occasion to try to farm spell strat at the same time, to try and make some gold.
I kinda like the brawler kind of gameplay, so the gladiator build on Alcast's site seemed like a perfect fit, since in PVE I'm used to apply DOTs and this looked like a pressure build.
Quick rundown:
5 Torugs
5 Viper
2 Troll King
Twin slashes; deadly cloak; shrouded daggers; frag shield; vigor; DBoS
Crit charge; petrify; brawler; volatile armor; forward momentum; Take Flight
I tweaked Alcast's build just a little bit to replace wings for shrouded dagger, since a build without a spammable felt kind of weird. I also replaced deep thoughts for brawler to take advantage of enchant procs on DoTs, and I don't even have psijic skill line on this char yet anyway.
So, I know this is considered like a super cheese build, but I wanted to lower the learning curve a little bit. And of course, in my potato hands, it didn't feel overpowered at all. I died quite a lot (kinda expected, even if 5 heavy 2 medium small pieces) and I didn't fell like my damage output was that strong. Many times, competent players could outheal my dots + spams then combo me down. Only times I felt they had no counterplay is when they couldn't break free of my DBoS (which is caused by a bug/lag, not my super l33t gameplay)
After console patch to remove enchant procs from dots, I plan to go 7th legion / shacklebreaker / troll king or bloodspawn. But I'm afraid that with this setup I'll have even less damage output.
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So, finally, here is the goal of this thread (sorry for the long detour). Is there a general gameplay guide out there to help scrubs learn the ropes of PvP? I found a very good one, but it's kinda old.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172558/surviving-cyrodiil-how-to-hopefully-die-less-often/p1
I think my biggest issue is that I realize after I died that I forgot to block. I'm sure it will come with experience, but if there was a place that explained the main burst combos of different classes, it would help greatly.
What I have in mind is something like the insane guide that @Joy_Division did for vMA, that I read thoroughly before (and during) attempting my first clear. Altough I don't expect to find something that complete, I wonder if anyone has done something similar for PvP. Youtube videos would work too.
Thank you all!
Edited by Swomp23 on November 7, 2018 7:02PM (If not interested by the backstory, jump directly after the ****)
So, I come from PVE, did pretty much everything except for vet trials. Proudest accomplishment is vMA clear when i was 400 CP (about a month ago).
During witches festival, I switched my 2 mag DPS into healers and my 2 stam DPS into tanks to get faster queues (while fulfilling my role... I despise fake tanks) and grind some CPs. I tried to grind dolmens and public dungeons, got bored to death after 1h and went back to daily randoms on all chars. After 2 weeks, I'm now pretty bored of running dungeons.
At the same time, I did a daily random BG on every char, also to farm exp. Altough I always hated pvp before (5 mins horse simulator followed by a 2 seconds instagib), I got to like BGs. First, being grouped with (and against) other potatoes really helped. Second, going right back into action after a death helped to learn much faster. After a while, I felt like I could hold my ground a little better and changed my PVE build for a proper PVP one (impen instead of divines, mainly) for my stamDK.
Then yesterday, I went back to Cyrodiil to try to actually enjoy AvA instead of just to farm Vigor. I'm on XBox, and with murkmire just released yesterday, I figured it would be a great occasion to try to farm spell strat at the same time, to try and make some gold.
I kinda like the brawler kind of gameplay, so the gladiator build on Alcast's site seemed like a perfect fit, since in PVE I'm used to apply DOTs and this looked like a pressure build.
Quick rundown:
5 Torugs
5 Viper
2 Troll King
Twin slashes; deadly cloak; shrouded daggers; frag shield; vigor; DBoS
Crit charge; petrify; brawler; volatile armor; forward momentum; Take Flight
I tweaked Alcast's build just a little bit to replace wings for shrouded dagger, since a build without a spammable felt kind of weird. I also replaced deep thoughts for brawler to take advantage of enchant procs on DoTs, and I don't even have psijic skill line on this char yet anyway.
So, I know this is considered like a super cheese build, but I wanted to lower the learning curve a little bit. And of course, in my potato hands, it didn't feel overpowered at all. I died quite a lot (kinda expected, even if 5 heavy 2 medium small pieces) and I didn't fell like my damage output was that strong. Many times, competent players could outheal my dots + spams then combo me down. Only times I felt they had no counterplay is when they couldn't break free of my DBoS (which is caused by a bug/lag, not my super l33t gameplay)
After console patch to remove enchant procs from dots, I plan to go 7th legion / shacklebreaker / troll king or bloodspawn. But I'm afraid that with this setup I'll have even less damage output.
****
So, finally, here is the goal of this thread (sorry for the long detour). Is there a general gameplay guide out there to help scrubs learn the ropes of PvP? I found a very good one, but it's kinda old.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172558/surviving-cyrodiil-how-to-hopefully-die-less-often/p1
I think my biggest issue is that I realize after I died that I forgot to block. I'm sure it will come with experience, but if there was a place that explained the main burst combos of different classes, it would help greatly.
What I have in mind is something like the insane guide that @Joy_Division did for vMA, that I read thoroughly before (and during) attempting my first clear. Altough I don't expect to find something that complete, I wonder if anyone has done something similar for PvP. Youtube videos would work too.
Thank you all!
XBox One - NA
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Joy_Division has a nice PvP Guide, go to their profile and find it. It will get you going.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"0 -
Swomp23✭✭✭✭Are you serious? I'll have to go look at that.
Thank you sir, you made my day!
Edit : Are you talking about this?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427360/joys-2018-advice-for-midyear-mayhem-event#latest
Lol, and I said that I didn't expect something as complete as his vMA guide!
I guess it's time to do some coffee!
P.S. If this guy isn't a teacher IRL, he really missed his calling!Edited by Swomp23 on November 7, 2018 7:36PMXBox One - NA0 -
Neoauspex✭✭✭✭✭
✭Guides are good, but what you really need is practice and experience. Play with and against people that are better than you and you'll get better, and you'll learn the tweaks for your build that work for your style. If you list your alliance on here you might get offers from people to run with you (and/or offers to kill you).
Welcome to PvP! Love threads like this where PvEers give PvP a try and enjoy it. You're gonna die lots, don't worry just respawn.0 -
Swomp23✭✭✭✭Lol thanks, but after dying over 200 times to vMA’s last boss, it doesnt really scares me anymore.
I know that I won’t get away with practicing heavily, but Joy’s guide actually helped me a lot to understand pvp better. That if I tunnel vision for the perfect rotation, I’m just buying tickets for the horse simulator. I kinda feel I already did a lot better tonight. I’m still on the potato side in 1vPotatoes, but I didnt expect to get so good so fast anyway.
I tried to look for smaller fights, but I feel like I’m missing the feedback on what I did wrong to rly get better. I totally wrecked BG, but thats because my MMR still matches me with pve builds (I guess).
Anyway, I’m on Xbox NA, so if anyone looks for free duel wins, I only charge constructive feedback!Edited by Swomp23 on November 8, 2018 6:13AMXBox One - NA0 -
Stigant✭✭✭✭Rule of thumb is:
- run Alcasts build for PvE in PvE, his guides and build are awesome and work for almost everyone.
- don't touch Alcasts builds for PvP ... not even with a long stick, everyone who ever mentioned using his PvP build always says the same: " can't make it work"
There are some exceptions to the second part. 1st is his snipe gank build, 2nd are Fengrushes builds on his site. And 3rd would be his famous bulls eye Dk bow build from almost forgotten past. That one was great but is very outdated today.2 -
Swomp23✭✭✭✭Thx for the heads up! I’m currently running his Gladiator build and it’s working pretty well, altough I know it’s a cheese build (DoTs still proc enchants on console). I actually won a couple of duels, in Cyro and pve area. I even got an invite from a duel guild that saw me in Cyro! Lol still cant believe that one. @Joy_Division and @DeanTheCat builds really helped me a lot. Now i just need to block more.
About the builds, is there any reference for pvp? From reading the forums, I plan on running 7th legion, Shacklebreaker and Troll King once the enchants procs on DoTs are fixed on console. I thought about swapping Shacklebreaker for Bone Pirate, but I really dont want to farm it lol.
Wdy think about it?Edited by Swomp23 on November 10, 2018 10:01PMXBox One - NA0 -
Stigant✭✭✭✭I'd honestly keep the Shacklebreaker on stamDK and use Arateum Takeaway Broth rather than bone pirate and dubious .. Max magicka and mag regen are useful for you. Also when you feel like you are getting better at keeping your heath up, switch out Troll King for Bloodspawn.0
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Swomp23✭✭✭✭I thought broth was a drink? I just did a quick search and found that it was bugged at release. It isn’t fixed yet? Omg...
When I was only doin random daily BG with my pve tank build at abysmal low mmr, I absolutely loved Bloodspawn. Switching to troll king was hearthbreaking, but when I saw the level of survivability it gave, it convinced me. I’ll definitely keep in mind to switch back when I feel rdy.
Thx!Edited by Swomp23 on November 10, 2018 11:09PMXBox One - NA0 -
Rungar✭✭✭✭✭
✭ultimate pvp potato guide:
join zerg get 25k points collect transmutation crystal at the end of the month.
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Stigant✭✭✭✭I thought broth was a drink? I just did a quick search and found that it was bugged at release. It isn’t fixed yet? Omg...
Thx!
Official version is, that it's not a drink and never was meant to be. Broth is a weak soup and soup is a food. The only fix they made is that now it's buff duration is increased by gourmand passive from provisioning skill line.0 -
Thraben✭✭✭✭✭I thought broth was a drink? I just did a quick search and found that it was bugged at release. It isn’t..
Thx!
1. Trollking and 7th Legion is OK. Your main problem as DK is damage against people who know what they are doing, so Sloads might be a cheap 3rd set.
2. You need potions of invisibility/speed to withdraw from combat. Dying is typically bad for your AP gain.
3. In Heavy Armor, you need Forward Momentum to stay mobile. So one bar is given to a Twohanded Axe. On the buffbar, people generally use a shield to potatoe away with the shield ulti, but you might get more AP with a bow. A defensive ulti should be on the backbar nonetheless.
4. DKs are a Dot-class. Don't use your burst for initiating a fight, but for finishing it. 90% of the Leaps in Cyro are totally wasted.Hauptmann der Dolche des Königs
DDK ist die letzte Verteidigungslinie des Dolchsturz- Bündnisses auf der 30-Tage-No-CP- Kampagne(EU) mit dem Anspruch, in kleinen, anfängerfreundlichen Raid-Gruppen möglichst epische Schlachten auszufechten.
DDK is the Daggerfall Covenant´s last line of defense on the 30 days no-cp campaign (EU). We intend to fight epic battles in small, casual player friendly raid groups.1 -
Swomp23✭✭✭✭I thought broth was a drink? I just did a quick search and found that it was bugged at release. It isn’t..
Thx!
1. Trollking and 7th Legion is OK. Your main problem as DK is damage against people who know what they are doing, so Sloads might be a cheap 3rd set.
2. You need potions of invisibility/speed to withdraw from combat. Dying is typically bad for your AP gain.
3. In Heavy Armor, you need Forward Momentum to stay mobile. So one bar is given to a Twohanded Axe. On the buffbar, people generally use a shield to potatoe away with the shield ulti, but you might get more AP with a bow. A defensive ulti should be on the backbar nonetheless.
4. DKs are a Dot-class. Don't use your burst for initiating a fight, but for finishing it. 90% of the Leaps in Cyro are totally wasted.
Interesting.
1. Sload vs Shacklebreaker, I’d lose about 1k stam and mag, and 129 recovery, but gain a proc... I wasn’t playing at the time, so I can’t compare first hand, but is Sloads still worth it after nerf? What I saw is that it lost about 15% dmg and doesn’t uncloak NBs anymore. Is it as good as whiners said when it got out? Even in CP? How does it compare vs viper?
2. Lol I’m too poor for that. For now I run crown tripots from daily reward and its doing ok.
3. Yeah, I have FM on my 2h bar, though I tend to forget to use it to remove snare. I kinda like DW, so I use that for my front bar. Shrouded is pretty good to tag zergs and compact grps in BGs. Quick cloak also helps me to keep up and stay alive. I use leap on back bar and dbos on front bar. Mayber that’s too similar and corrosive armor would be better.
4. Yeah I try to keep my ulti for execute, unless im out of ressources.
Question : I see a lot of builds without stampede, but I find it incredibly useful to engage and keep pressure on kiting classes. Is there a way to keep a pressuring presence without a gap closer, so I can open a skill slot? Before murkmire, I think ppl were using speed pots, but what now?
TyXBox One - NA0