BozzyTheDrummer wrote: »

I have a very solid rotation right now that I execute with very few mistakes on a practice dummy.

Well, the first thing I'd say is, forget you ever stated this. You might think you have a solid rotation that you can execute with very few mistakes, yet your dummy dps is below 18k. The thing you have to accept is, gear won't give you the dps boost you're looking for. It's the rotation. Light attack weaving, keeping up dots, casting skills in the right order. You could wear any basic magicka set and still do 30k+ if you do the most efficient rotation near-perfectly. There is something fundamentally wrong going on in your rotation. Maybe you misunderstood the rotation you read about, maybe you don't weave light attacks, don't keep up dots, or something like that. I'd say you should either wait for Alcast to make a new MagNB video where he explains the rotation in detail (should be soon), or find another youtuber who does that and pulls nice dps. Preferably look for Summerset+ videos, the optimal rotation hasn't really changed since then.

BozzyTheDrummer wrote: »

Do I need trials gear in order to better my damage output???

No, you don't. Trial gear is nice, but not a must. Your current gear should theoretically allow you to reach far into the 30k+ dps range. Again, I can't stress it enough, don't have high expectations for gear, it won't give you the dps boost you're looking for. What you need is a rotation that really is solid.

If you were on PC/EU I'd gladly help you in game, but looks like your platform is XB/NA. You could also try to look for a helpful veteran player. Might be hard to find one among the elitists, but they exist.

HuawaSepp wrote: »

install the add on 'combat metrics' and post a parse.
Without that no one can tell you what you are doing wrong.
> 50 000 dps selfbuffed are always possible on a 6M dummy, even more on a 3M dummy with a magblade.

The OP is on console, where 3rd party add-ons are unavailable.

Hmm, only 17.6k DPS. I don't play with dolls and dummies as I think those tests are not representative of a real situation in dungeon combat, where most of the time you won't be standing around but move. But in non-DLC vets in group dungeon PUGs I roll mostly about 26k-27k dps with an ok group, and in a good group where synergies are flying around it can go up as high as 31k-32k dps.
Probably not the best dps there is as I heard people talking about 40k-50k dps, but I'm quite content with it and everything is melting quickly enough.

Gear-wise my setup is 2x Valkyn Skoria, 5x clothing Julianos and 3x jewelry + 2 inferno front / lightining staff back Rattlecage, both Nirnhoned. Front staff enchanted with weapon damage increase glyph (increases spell damage on proc), back with lightning damage glyph. Mundus stone is Apprentice.
Food is also Witchmother's Potent Brew. I'm stitting on 3055 Spell Damage, 37.6k max. Magicka, 2149 Magicka Recovery, 18.9k health, which renders damage shield usage unnecessary unless it's some DLC dungeons or soloing some melee-based world bosses. 50% / 48% Spell Critical front / back bars.

Skills I use are: (1 2 3 4 5 6)
Front bar - Swallow Soul, Crippling Grasp, Impale, Merciless Resolve, Inner Light, Fiery Rage (dest staff ult).
Back bar - Elemental Blockade, Pulsar, Twisting Path, Siphoning Attacks, Inner Light, Soul Harvest (ult points gatherer during trash AoEs)
That setup with skills in those positions works personally well for me. Now the rotation is important. Keep in mind that you need as many DoTs (Damage on Time) being active for Skoria's meteor to proc as often as possible. Also be sure to medium-weave all the time inbetween front bar skills (no need on back bar for trash mobs AoEs), that's a big chunk of your dps and magicka restore as well.

For trash, I switch first of all to back bar, place Elemental Blockade, then Twisting Path (both DoTs), then trash the trash with Pulsar close and personal, while taking care to block (not all the time but quick repeat, blocks most hits and Stamina still can go up). Most dungeons trash mobs melt quickly. Remaining individual mobs get taken down by casting Crippling Grasp (DoT), then Swallow Soul. Eventually Impale for bigger health bulls so they drop faster.

For boss fights, it's important to place Fiery Rage ult always first (takes 2 seconds before starting with damage, also a DoT), then Elemental Blockade, Twisting Path, then front bar Swallow Soul (bigger initial hit), then Crippling Grasp, and after that Swallow Soul while DoTs are running down. Fire the Merciless Resolve bow when it stacks up (that's why it's important to weave). When they run out, rinse and repeat. In fights where you've got to move a lot, it can be tricky to keep up the rotation and dps steady, practice makes the master as saying goes.
At 25% health start using Impale instead of Swallow Soul, but keep up still some or all DoTs while you impale, for Skoria and additional dps.

At all time, ensure Merciless Resolve buff is active for the damage boost, renew when ran out. Same for Siphoning Attacks.

You might want to try out this kind of setup and see if it works for you.

I'll say the same thing I say to everyone who tells me they can't get good DPS with all 'BiS' gear, CP and rotation. It may be the rotation, but some times it clearly will not.

I was there for a long time. Didn't care to use my main because the BiS gear, all gold, CP where the gods of builds tell us to. Rotation like they show on videos. All I could manage was a meagre 30k. I tried everything. All the sets. All the foods. Poisons. Pots. It would not budge.

Until a friend looked at my setup and told me to dump it entirely. 'Use this instead'. I was dumbfounded because the rule of thumb is usually not to use those sets. But I went from barely getting 30k to going above 40k instantly. Went from being carried in vet dungeons and not wanting to do DLC ones to bravely mowing them down and hearing 'wow you got good deeps man.'

Bottom line? Don't religiously follow the 'BiS endgame' builds online. They assume you have every single buff running on you and debuff on the enemy. You will NOT have this in 99.9% of the content, so you will not get those values.

Hint: check your pen.

Shawn_PT wrote: »

I'll say the same thing I say to everyone who tells me they can't get good DPS with all 'BiS' gear, CP and rotation. It may be the rotation, but some times it clearly will not.

I was there for a long time. Didn't care to use my main because the BiS gear, all gold, CP where the gods of builds tell us to. Rotation like they show on videos. All I could manage was a meagre 30k. I tried everything. All the sets. All the foods. Poisons. Pots. It would not budge.

Until a friend looked at my setup and told me to dump it entirely. 'Use this instead'. I was dumbfounded because the rule of thumb is usually not to use those sets. But I went from barely getting 30k to going above 40k instantly. Went from being carried in vet dungeons and not wanting to do DLC ones to bravely mowing them down and hearing 'wow you got good deeps man.'

Bottom line? Don't religiously follow the 'BiS endgame' builds online. They assume you have every single buff running on you and debuff on the enemy. You will NOT have this in 99.9% of the content, so you will not get those values.

Hint: check your pen.

Penetration is deceivingly important. When i took off Spriggans for Hulking Draugr on my Stamblade my parse lost 4k.

BozzyTheDrummer wrote: »

I feel like I have hit a wall here. On my PetSorc I can hit 20-21K on a 3 mil test dummy. This is using both sets of Necropotence and Julianos paired with grothdar, with food buff and spell power pots. I run the lover stone with him because I put out the most damge with that stone. I have stopped playing this guy as my main DPS because I am starting to despise the PetSorc build.

I have since created a MagBlade build for PvE DPS. I am cp584. I am following Alcasts Azure build pretty closely to the gear setup #2 that uses BSW/Mothers Sorrow.Skoria.

On my MagBlade, I have 5/5 Burning Spellweave - 5/5 Mothers Sorrow and 2/2 Valkyn Skoria. Almost all my armor is Divines/Max Magicka Enchants (Purple Armor with Gold Glyphs). The only pieces of armor that I have left to transmute are both Skoria pieces ,which I will make Infused. My jewelry (BSW) are all arcane with gold spell damage enchants.

My front bar staff is an infused Burning Spellweave inferno staff (purple) with a flame enchant (gold glyph). My backbar staff is an infused Mother Sorrow inferno staff (purple) with a weapon damage glyph (gold).

The skills on my fron and back bar are the exact same as Alcasts Azure MagBlade build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-nightblade-build-pve/) I have inner light on back at too, not channeled acceleration.

I have a very solid rotation right now that I execute with very few mistakes on a practice dummy. Using the lover again with this build, as I put out more damge than I do with the thief and apprectice stone. I use withmothers potent brew for food and essence of spell power pots.

It takes me 2 minutes and 50 seconds to kill a 3 mil test dummy and the most DPS I have done with this build is 17,649. I can solo world bosses, pub dungeons, normal group dungeons and with my group, we steamroll through Vet dungeons (non DLC) with no problems whatsoever, and we a re a three man team without a healer.

But I am getting really frustrated because I want to know what I can do to get my DPS up? Do I need trials gear in order to better my damage output??? I don't know what else I can do.

I have taken this MagBlade into Vet Scalecaller just to see how he does. It was with a pub group, and the other DPS was lower Cp than myself. It was a cool group, we wiped many, m,any times over few hours. But we stuck with it. We made it to the final boss and wiped many more times (mainly due to the statues cone mechanic. But my point is, I feel like between myself and the other DPS, we did so-so.

I'm really drawing a blank as to what I can do to better my DPS.

Any help, advice, criticism is appreciated.

Edit: also worth noting, I think, that although my DPS on my MagBlade is less than my PetSorc, I kill enemies/mobs/bosses a LOT faster than I do on my Sorc.

100% your rotation. Your rotation is not good.

20-21K??? Hah! I can't get more than 18K on my MagWarden.

Then you also got to determine a good trait for a staff, i. e. depending on your penetration number (Harven's Extended Stats addon shows that stat in Character screen if you're on PC), whether it's low like 7k, and if you run mostly solo, you might profit more from Sharpened trait. While if you run often with groups and your penetration is natively high enough (like 9k-10k through CP, Light Armor passive etc.) you'd probably profit more from Nirnhoned trait, which adds another 200 damage to the staves, which effectively adds another 200 Spell Damage, and the effect is noticeable. Weapon glyph is another choice to make, Fire / Lightning glyphs on magicka, or Disease / Poison / Physical on Stamina are good damage procs, or the Weapon Damage glyph is also good, about 340 Spell / Weapon damage for 5 sec, every 10sec on a non-Infused weapon.

Making healer and tanks solves the issue
For me making an magic build who is not primary an healer is kind of pointless.

BozzyTheDrummer wrote: »

I feel like I have hit a wall here. On my PetSorc I can hit 20-21K on a 3 mil test dummy. This is using both sets of Necropotence and Julianos paired with grothdar, with food buff and spell power pots. I run the lover stone with him because I put out the most damge with that stone. I have stopped playing this guy as my main DPS because I am starting to despise the PetSorc build.

I have since created a MagBlade build for PvE DPS. I am cp584. I am following Alcasts Azure build pretty closely to the gear setup #2 that uses BSW/Mothers Sorrow.Skoria.

On my MagBlade, I have 5/5 Burning Spellweave - 5/5 Mothers Sorrow and 2/2 Valkyn Skoria. Almost all my armor is Divines/Max Magicka Enchants (Purple Armor with Gold Glyphs). The only pieces of armor that I have left to transmute are both Skoria pieces ,which I will make Infused. My jewelry (BSW) are all arcane with gold spell damage enchants.

My front bar staff is an infused Burning Spellweave inferno staff (purple) with a flame enchant (gold glyph). My backbar staff is an infused Mother Sorrow inferno staff (purple) with a weapon damage glyph (gold).

The skills on my fron and back bar are the exact same as Alcasts Azure MagBlade build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-nightblade-build-pve/) I have inner light on back at too, not channeled acceleration.

I have a very solid rotation right now that I execute with very few mistakes on a practice dummy. Using the lover again with this build, as I put out more damge than I do with the thief and apprectice stone. I use withmothers potent brew for food and essence of spell power pots.

It takes me 2 minutes and 50 seconds to kill a 3 mil test dummy and the most DPS I have done with this build is 17,649. I can solo world bosses, pub dungeons, normal group dungeons and with my group, we steamroll through Vet dungeons (non DLC) with no problems whatsoever, and we a re a three man team without a healer.

But I am getting really frustrated because I want to know what I can do to get my DPS up? Do I need trials gear in order to better my damage output??? I don't know what else I can do.

I have taken this MagBlade into Vet Scalecaller just to see how he does. It was with a pub group, and the other DPS was lower Cp than myself. It was a cool group, we wiped many, m,any times over few hours. But we stuck with it. We made it to the final boss and wiped many more times (mainly due to the statues cone mechanic. But my point is, I feel like between myself and the other DPS, we did so-so.

I'm really drawing a blank as to what I can do to better my DPS.

Any help, advice, criticism is appreciated.

Edit: also worth noting, I think, that although my DPS on my MagBlade is less than my PetSorc, I kill enemies/mobs/bosses a LOT faster than I do on my Sorc.

Rotation rotation rotation

zaria wrote: »

Making healer and tanks solves the issue
For me making an magic build who is not primary an healer is kind of pointless.

RPG stereotype. Magicka damage dealers in ESO are just as good as stamina damage dealers, in some aspects even better. Magicka dds usually have the advantage of range and better survivability, stamina dds are usually somewhat more powerful number-wise. But both are equally competent in most aspects of the game.

Post a dps screen shot
Post a super star addon screen shot
@ me when you do

Saying just "Rotation" is not enough, the main problem is the execution of those. As one of the post mentioned light/heavy attack weaving is the key here. Both light/heavy attacks and skills run off a separate .9 sec cooldown (GCD), so you can (and should) use one of those every 0.45 secs. Here are a few tips/infos that you might not know:

• always start your attack combos with the light attack, not the skill. If you start the combos with the skill instead the game will gleefully (and silently) ignore most of your light attacks
• the timing of the attack/skills is extremely tight, it needs a lot of practice
• as a Console player you are stuck with the big, fat right analog trigger for light attacks. You don't need to press it completely down for the light attack to register. Unfortunately there is no feedback when the attack goes off, you need to learn that for yourself.