Dk Wings should reduce fall damage by 50-75%

Koolio · October 2018

You almost can’t say no to such a great idea. Fits with lore would help DK be able to kite.

This would be awesome in every way.

I mean come on lol

Luigi_Vampa · October 2018

I agree. I also think DKs should be able to leap on keep walls. Stop clipping their wings.

Koolio · October 2018

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

I agree. I also think DKs should be able to leap on keep walls. Stop clipping their wings.

Or off keeps like the old days

Luigi_Vampa · October 2018

Koolio wrote: »

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

I agree. I also think DKs should be able to leap on keep walls. Stop clipping their wings.

Or off keeps like the old days

Awesome leaps were my favorite back when I played DK in the old days.

max_only · October 2018

Warden wings too.

Xarc · October 2018

Yes we should be able to fly.

RedRook · October 2018

This is a great idea. Yes, please.

Darkenarlol · October 2018

they also should make you a cup of coffee

Illuvatarr · October 2018

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

Xarc · October 2018

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

I guess you 're playing a 100% projectiles build (or something like that)

Illuvatarr · October 2018

Xarcus wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

I guess you 're playing a 100% projectiles build (or something like that)

I don’t know if that’s relevant. What’s relevant is whether or not what I said is accurate.

RedRook · October 2018

Xarcus wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

I guess you 're playing a 100% projectiles build (or something like that)

Not playing a DK, anyway. Everything looks easy when it's not you.

Zelos · October 2018

YOU CANT KEEP ME ON THE GROUND! IM A DK YOU GOTTA LET ME FLY!

TrinityBreaker · October 2018

Can I also get an earth quake spammable my my stamDK?(Being deadass with this question). And Plus one for the wings fall damage too😀

Biro123 · October 2018

Haha - Sounds like a great idea. (I've never played DK - but am all for it)

Flame_of_Hades · October 2018

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

I guess you 're playing a 100% projectiles build (or something like that)

I don’t know if that’s relevant. What’s relevant is whether or not what I said is accurate.

its not accurate. force pulse, curse, mages wrath, SCR..... so many things go through reflect... not to mention there are times when frags/snipe will go through wings because ZOS.

wings is a very expensive ability, this is not something you can spam unless you build for it.

Build a dk, ill duel you on my sorc, and then we can see if you still feel the same way.

MashmalloMan · October 2018

I agree with this idea if they start doing the same for other classes, there needs to be more flavour class specific ideas.

ZOS was on the right path when they made DK's 5m melee range abilities all 7m. I think that's a really cool idea and -50% fall damage would be really cool too. It doesn't really make them OP, just gives them something unique.

Illuvatarr · October 2018

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

I guess you 're playing a 100% projectiles build (or something like that)

I don’t know if that’s relevant. What’s relevant is whether or not what I said is accurate.

its not accurate. force pulse, curse, mages wrath, SCR..... so many things go through reflect... not to mention there are times when frags/snipe will go through wings because ZOS.

wings is a very expensive ability, this is not something you can spam unless you build for it.

Build a dk, ill duel you on my sorc, and then we can see if you still feel the same way.

It’s a very expensive ability that costs about 3-3.5k mag. It can reflect completely without counter 4 abilities regardless of cost. The resource return on it is huge. The most important part about it is that there isn’t a counter in game to it. You say ways around it but there is a reason why you play your DK as opposed to your Sorc on the regular. It is the premier 1vx class. In your class you make the class shine more because you are a good player. In other cases wings is just an I win button. I am ok with it in game but there need to be more ways around it. Sorcs have no hard counter such as this to dks.

ak_pvp · October 2018

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

DKs bursting from range. Hmmm...

Yeah, its an I stalemate, not win, button vs a singular ranged build (not magden though) similar how harness magicka even now is an I stalemate button cause it acts like an above health, free (actually returns more resources) burst heal.

DKs pay no price for survival... despite having the highest tradeoff since their class defense is useful vs like 2 specs and passives require S/B, something that doesn't compute at all with mag for damage or sustain. Meanwhile sorcs have the effective free heal and for 4 years it scaled completely of dmg stats.

You haven't played a DK have you?

BaylorCorvette · October 2018

And Sorcs should be able to Streak through walls

The_Camper · October 2018

Illuvatarr wrote: »

You say ways around it but there is a reason why you play your DK as opposed to your Sorc on the regular. It is the premier 1vx class.

This guy is living in 2014 while the rest of us are in 2018.

Ragnarock41 · October 2018

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

4k for a meh self-heal(that can heal less than what it costs despite being a self only heal)
4k for just major mending(and a shield that is less than 1k, not even exaggerating)
almost 4k for reflect , which is the ''class defining'' ability.

Do you realize that I have to run extra magicka regen on my stamina Dk because of the absurd ability costs?
And do you even understand the concept of melee versus ranged? The burden of playing the equal of a turtle as a class? Wings might seem OP to someone in a 1v1 but they are pretty underpowered for open world use where it only takes two person to force you into spamming it till you go out of magicka.

Do you know why stamden excels and stamDk miserably fails, because unlike what you think Dks don't get free survivability, they actually pay a lot for it.. Guess who does get it for free though? Yes, wardens.

silly me expecting a typical magsorc main to understand what it feels to actually have sustain issues. You know what? Thats completely fine. Again, my fault for a proper argument with facts and supporting evidence. I'm not even angry at this point, I'm just sad. Can't you at least get a proper argument like ''oh hey look I'm a ranged magblade and I hate wings cause it counters my entire kit'', which is a fine argument that has its own logical answer to it, but yours is just.... I don't know how to put it.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2018

I think they should just reduce fall damage by 50-75% across the board if I am being honest. Jumping out of a keep shouldn't take half your darn health. I am a magical being that shoots lighting balls from his arse, but I cant fall 10 feet? LMAO.

#nerffalldamage
#superherolanding

idk · October 2018

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

I agree. I also think DKs should be able to leap on keep walls. Stop clipping their wings.

And wings should reflect everything like some bosses reflect some damage. DKs are to be special, powerful and feared.

Maikon · October 2018

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

I guess you 're playing a 100% projectiles build (or something like that)

I don’t know if that’s relevant. What’s relevant is whether or not what I said is accurate.

its not accurate. force pulse, curse, mages wrath, SCR..... so many things go through reflect... not to mention there are times when frags/snipe will go through wings because ZOS.

wings is a very expensive ability, this is not something you can spam unless you build for it.

Build a dk, ill duel you on my sorc, and then we can see if you still feel the same way.

It’s a very expensive ability that costs about 3-3.5k mag. It can reflect completely without counter 4 abilities regardless of cost. The resource return on it is huge. The most important part about it is that there isn’t a counter in game to it. You say ways around it but there is a reason why you play your DK as opposed to your Sorc on the regular. It is the premier 1vx class. In your class you make the class shine more because you are a good player. In other cases wings is just an I win button. I am ok with it in game but there need to be more ways around it. Sorcs have no hard counter such as this to dks.

Yes, it is very expensive.

"It can reflect completely without counter 4 abilities" out of how many abilities in the game?

There are counters, melee, dots, force pulse, etc.

It is NOT the premier 1vX class, by any means.

There is nothing I Win about that skill.

"Sorcs have no hard counters against this" is just a sad excuse, because from my experience against you in pvp, you are one of the worst sorcs out there.

L2P good sir, and stop hard casting frags, that might help.

max_only · October 2018

Marshall1289 wrote: »

I agree with this idea if they start doing the same for other classes, there needs to be more flavour class specific ideas.

ZOS was on the right path when they made DK's 5m melee range abilities all 7m. I think that's a really cool idea and -50% fall damage would be really cool too. It doesn't really make them OP, just gives them something unique.

I can see it now, my dk Bosmer is just “free jumping” off of everything to the chagrin of the guild raid that’s following me for World Boss runs. In fact, Bosmer dk need to be healed for big jumps lol

Illuvatarr · October 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

4k for a meh self-heal(that can heal less than what it costs despite being a self only heal)
4k for just major mending(and a shield that is less than 1k, not even exaggerating)
almost 4k for reflect , which is the ''class defining'' ability.

Do you realize that I have to run extra magicka regen on my stamina Dk because of the absurd ability costs?
And do you even understand the concept of melee versus ranged? The burden of playing the equal of a turtle as a class? Wings might seem OP to someone in a 1v1 but they are pretty underpowered for open world use where it only takes two person to force you into spamming it till you go out of magicka.

Do you know why stamden excels and stamDk miserably fails, because unlike what you think Dks don't get free survivability, they actually pay a lot for it.. Guess who does get it for free though? Yes, wardens.

silly me expecting a typical magsorc main to understand what it feels to actually have sustain issues. You know what? Thats completely fine. Again, my fault for a proper argument with facts and supporting evidence. I'm not even angry at this point, I'm just sad. Can't you at least get a proper argument like ''oh hey look I'm a ranged magblade and I hate wings cause it counters my entire kit'', which is a fine argument that has its own logical answer to it, but yours is just.... I don't know how to put it.

Maikon wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

I guess you 're playing a 100% projectiles build (or something like that)

I don’t know if that’s relevant. What’s relevant is whether or not what I said is accurate.

its not accurate. force pulse, curse, mages wrath, SCR..... so many things go through reflect... not to mention there are times when frags/snipe will go through wings because ZOS.

wings is a very expensive ability, this is not something you can spam unless you build for it.

Build a dk, ill duel you on my sorc, and then we can see if you still feel the same way.

It’s a very expensive ability that costs about 3-3.5k mag. It can reflect completely without counter 4 abilities regardless of cost. The resource return on it is huge. The most important part about it is that there isn’t a counter in game to it. You say ways around it but there is a reason why you play your DK as opposed to your Sorc on the regular. It is the premier 1vx class. In your class you make the class shine more because you are a good player. In other cases wings is just an I win button. I am ok with it in game but there need to be more ways around it. Sorcs have no hard counter such as this to dks.

Yes, it is very expensive.

"It can reflect completely without counter 4 abilities" out of how many abilities in the game?

There are counters, melee, dots, force pulse, etc.

It is NOT the premier 1vX class, by any means.

There is nothing I Win about that skill.

"Sorcs have no hard counters against this" is just a sad excuse, because from my experience against you in pvp, you are one of the worst sorcs out there.

L2P good sir, and stop hard casting frags, that might help.

Yes we did have a 1v1 that you won. Took you a lot longer than it should a rank 40 DK. Other than that it’s usually your friends and you zerging me. If you don’t beat a Sorc on your overpowered DK, especially in non co, you need to pick a new class. Would be happy to duel you again on cpwhere the match up is more fair. (Although still favors DK)

Good sir, spell reflect is a bs ability and should have hard counters to it. Knight slayer armor is a good start to counter dks but itemization should not be the answer.

Maikon · October 2018

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

4k for a meh self-heal(that can heal less than what it costs despite being a self only heal)
4k for just major mending(and a shield that is less than 1k, not even exaggerating)
almost 4k for reflect , which is the ''class defining'' ability.

Do you realize that I have to run extra magicka regen on my stamina Dk because of the absurd ability costs?
And do you even understand the concept of melee versus ranged? The burden of playing the equal of a turtle as a class? Wings might seem OP to someone in a 1v1 but they are pretty underpowered for open world use where it only takes two person to force you into spamming it till you go out of magicka.

Do you know why stamden excels and stamDk miserably fails, because unlike what you think Dks don't get free survivability, they actually pay a lot for it.. Guess who does get it for free though? Yes, wardens.

silly me expecting a typical magsorc main to understand what it feels to actually have sustain issues. You know what? Thats completely fine. Again, my fault for a proper argument with facts and supporting evidence. I'm not even angry at this point, I'm just sad. Can't you at least get a proper argument like ''oh hey look I'm a ranged magblade and I hate wings cause it counters my entire kit'', which is a fine argument that has its own logical answer to it, but yours is just.... I don't know how to put it.

Maikon wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

I guess you 're playing a 100% projectiles build (or something like that)

I don’t know if that’s relevant. What’s relevant is whether or not what I said is accurate.

its not accurate. force pulse, curse, mages wrath, SCR..... so many things go through reflect... not to mention there are times when frags/snipe will go through wings because ZOS.

wings is a very expensive ability, this is not something you can spam unless you build for it.

Build a dk, ill duel you on my sorc, and then we can see if you still feel the same way.

It’s a very expensive ability that costs about 3-3.5k mag. It can reflect completely without counter 4 abilities regardless of cost. The resource return on it is huge. The most important part about it is that there isn’t a counter in game to it. You say ways around it but there is a reason why you play your DK as opposed to your Sorc on the regular. It is the premier 1vx class. In your class you make the class shine more because you are a good player. In other cases wings is just an I win button. I am ok with it in game but there need to be more ways around it. Sorcs have no hard counter such as this to dks.

Yes, it is very expensive.

"It can reflect completely without counter 4 abilities" out of how many abilities in the game?

There are counters, melee, dots, force pulse, etc.

It is NOT the premier 1vX class, by any means.

There is nothing I Win about that skill.

"Sorcs have no hard counters against this" is just a sad excuse, because from my experience against you in pvp, you are one of the worst sorcs out there.

L2P good sir, and stop hard casting frags, that might help.

Yes we did have a 1v1 that you won. Took you a lot longer than it should a rank 40 DK. Other than that it’s usually your friends and you zerging me. If you don’t beat a Sorc on your overpowered DK, especially in non co, you need to pick a new class. Would be happy to duel you again on cpwhere the match up is more fair. (Although still favors DK)

Good sir, spell reflect is a bs ability and should have hard counters to it. Knight slayer armor is a good start to counter dks but itemization should not be the answer.

All you are is a shield spamming sorc, so yea, took me a bit to run your magicka out.

You can counter dk wings with a *** ton of abilities, but you know what's bs, is shield spamming, there's no reason a sorc should be able to constantly spam 40k+ worth of shields.

As well as endless fury spam, your gd 40 mile stun, and implosion, which literally procs off every gd thing in the game.

All that *** should either be on a global cd, or have a cast time.

So don't talk about a single dk skill that reflects 4 things out of every skill in the game.

Illuvatarr · October 2018

Maikon wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

4k for a meh self-heal(that can heal less than what it costs despite being a self only heal)
4k for just major mending(and a shield that is less than 1k, not even exaggerating)
almost 4k for reflect , which is the ''class defining'' ability.

Do you realize that I have to run extra magicka regen on my stamina Dk because of the absurd ability costs?
And do you even understand the concept of melee versus ranged? The burden of playing the equal of a turtle as a class? Wings might seem OP to someone in a 1v1 but they are pretty underpowered for open world use where it only takes two person to force you into spamming it till you go out of magicka.

Do you know why stamden excels and stamDk miserably fails, because unlike what you think Dks don't get free survivability, they actually pay a lot for it.. Guess who does get it for free though? Yes, wardens.

silly me expecting a typical magsorc main to understand what it feels to actually have sustain issues. You know what? Thats completely fine. Again, my fault for a proper argument with facts and supporting evidence. I'm not even angry at this point, I'm just sad. Can't you at least get a proper argument like ''oh hey look I'm a ranged magblade and I hate wings cause it counters my entire kit'', which is a fine argument that has its own logical answer to it, but yours is just.... I don't know how to put it.

Maikon wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

DK’s wings and other reflective abilities should cost much more or removed from the game. It’s a silly I win button ability and with the current state of the game is not warranted. Range means nothing and dks can burst from melee range and from range with weapon abilities. Dks pay no price for survivability. Never have.

I guess you 're playing a 100% projectiles build (or something like that)

I don’t know if that’s relevant. What’s relevant is whether or not what I said is accurate.

its not accurate. force pulse, curse, mages wrath, SCR..... so many things go through reflect... not to mention there are times when frags/snipe will go through wings because ZOS.

wings is a very expensive ability, this is not something you can spam unless you build for it.

Build a dk, ill duel you on my sorc, and then we can see if you still feel the same way.

It’s a very expensive ability that costs about 3-3.5k mag. It can reflect completely without counter 4 abilities regardless of cost. The resource return on it is huge. The most important part about it is that there isn’t a counter in game to it. You say ways around it but there is a reason why you play your DK as opposed to your Sorc on the regular. It is the premier 1vx class. In your class you make the class shine more because you are a good player. In other cases wings is just an I win button. I am ok with it in game but there need to be more ways around it. Sorcs have no hard counter such as this to dks.

Yes, it is very expensive.

"It can reflect completely without counter 4 abilities" out of how many abilities in the game?

There are counters, melee, dots, force pulse, etc.

It is NOT the premier 1vX class, by any means.

There is nothing I Win about that skill.

"Sorcs have no hard counters against this" is just a sad excuse, because from my experience against you in pvp, you are one of the worst sorcs out there.

L2P good sir, and stop hard casting frags, that might help.

Yes we did have a 1v1 that you won. Took you a lot longer than it should a rank 40 DK. Other than that it’s usually your friends and you zerging me. If you don’t beat a Sorc on your overpowered DK, especially in non co, you need to pick a new class. Would be happy to duel you again on cpwhere the match up is more fair. (Although still favors DK)

Good sir, spell reflect is a bs ability and should have hard counters to it. Knight slayer armor is a good start to counter dks but itemization should not be the answer.

All you are is a shield spamming sorc, so yea, took me a bit to run your magicka out.

You can counter dk wings with a *** ton of abilities, but you know what's bs, is shield spamming, there's no reason a sorc should be able to constantly spam 40k+ worth of shields.

As well as endless fury spam, your gd 40 mile stun, and implosion, which literally procs off every gd thing in the game.

All that *** should either be on a global cd.

All I spam is empowered ward. Tell ya what...you are so bad I will just stack resist gear and use a heal. Still afraid to come duel me?

ccmedaddy · October 2018

lol @ people thinking DKs just suddenly become immortal gods in PvP without having to invest in defense

Try playing one. You're in for a nasty surprise.

TrinityBreaker · October 2018

Is this man serious? Does he truly believes DK wings are OP? If so, that man is the reason stupid people should not have a voice.