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Question. Do you think ESO will ever get a graphics overhaul?
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Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭After playing some of the new Red Dead Redemption 2 this weekend and then going back to ESO for a trial, it was obvious how limited the graphics are in this game. Obviously RDR2 is much newer and only a single player game, but my lord the graphics are horrible compared to other games on console. Maybe PC is different with much more expensive machines.0 -
FlyingSwan✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »After playing some of the new Red Dead Redemption 2 this weekend and then going back to ESO for a trial, it was obvious how limited the graphics are in this game. Obviously RDR2 is much newer and only a single player game, but my lord the graphics are horrible compared to other games on console. Maybe PC is different with much more expensive machines.
The ESO graphics on PC are not great, because even with top-end kit the game itself is a limitation. My GPU and CPU (I have 8700K & 1080ti) only operate at about 50% load in ESO, there are external bottlenecks causing a ceiling on performance.
For an MMO however, ESO is not too shabby. MMO publishers cast the net as wide as possible, meaning they need to cater for machines across the spectrum of power. Also, when ESO was released on PS4/XB1, development for those machines was in its infancy, for a modern game like RDR2 the dev has a lot more experience in getting more out of the hardware.4 -
I think the game looks fine for now. However, once the game has been out for several or so more years, yes, the game will most likely need a graphical overhaul. I'm not sure if that would be possible, however, without remaking the game from the ground up. We'll just have to see what the future holds.PC (NA)
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Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭ShionRasenka wrote: »I think the game looks fine for now. However, once the game has been out for several or so more years, yes, the game will most likely need a graphical overhaul. I'm not sure if that would be possible, however, without remaking the game from the ground up. We'll just have to see what the future holds.
I think the flaw with this philosophy is that ZOS will have the desire to do the graphics update in several years like you said. As a business decision, there would not be much of a point to revive the graphics of a game that has been out for 10 years. At that point, you're probably not bringing on new players and the current player-base will be less than it is right now. There would be no financial incentive to overhaul the graphics.
I honestly believe the next graphics overhaul you'll see is when TES2 comes out or another similar MMORPG from the Elder Scrolls genre.0 -
TheTwistedRune✭✭✭✭✭I could not play ESO without my reshade and using the nvdia filters. But some things really do need a texture update. The original motifs for example, look very flat, bland and low resolution when compared alongside newer motifs and costumes.
I think most of the world textures hold up quite well still, but some monsters could use a fresh lick of paint. Even add more colours to the same mobs to add some variety. And new weathers like fog etc.
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Bevik✭✭✭✭TheTwistedRune wrote: »I could not play ESO without my reshade and using the nvdia filters. But some things really do need a texture update. The original motifs for example, look very flat, bland and low resolution when compared alongside newer motifs and costumes.
I think most of the world textures hold up quite well still, but some monsters could use a fresh lick of paint. Even add more colours to the same mobs to add some variety. And new weathers like fog etc.
Can you share what are you using? I've always played ESO without anything. Just want to see would it be better with a little touch or not.0 -
TheTwistedRune✭✭✭✭✭TheTwistedRune wrote: »I could not play ESO without my reshade and using the nvdia filters. But some things really do need a texture update. The original motifs for example, look very flat, bland and low resolution when compared alongside newer motifs and costumes.
I think most of the world textures hold up quite well still, but some monsters could use a fresh lick of paint. Even add more colours to the same mobs to add some variety. And new weathers like fog etc.
Can you share what are you using? I've always played ESO without anything. Just want to see would it be better with a little touch or not.
This is what I am still using.
https://www.nexusmods.com/elderscrollsonline/mods/75
I should advise you though, since the last patch I think there was a very small lighting change to the game. At least myself and others have noticed, so you might need to tweak it somewhat. Check out the screenshots, it's still the best Reshade IMO.
Edited by TheTwistedRune on October 29, 2018 2:15PM0 -
NeroBad✭✭✭✭I'm no expert on the topic, but I have my opinion. About the engine limitation I think if ZOS can manage Vvardenfell, Summerset (one can say they like the base zones better, but graphically the new ones are more advance) the base zone can be updated to the same quality (more clutter, better textures, and more complex models).
In my opinion even Craglorn has some visable improvements visually compared to base zones. But comparing Stonefalls Lava Region to Vvardefell Lava Region the difference is striking for me.
The base zones graphics are behind Vanilla Skyrim(not moded), but the new ones are getting better and better. In the past I was excited for new mods with new territoires for Skyrim, because ESO zones looked worse, now I much more excited for new zones in ESO, because they look better and I can immerse myself better.
The finance/marketing perspective will be the most important one about an overhaul. If ZOS want to show ESO as a graphically pleasing game from start to finish, and thinks their game will sell much better with such an overhaul, then there will be one. If their marketing focus solely on the new content, because they see that the old ones cannot be marketed even with an overhaul, then no overhaul for us.
But if there will be no overhaul, and the new zones getting even better, then the difference will be very bothering in my opinion.0 -
profundidob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭textures need to be updated with proper support up to 4K. Besides this we've got nothing to complaint about.
With reshade and everything at maximum at 4K this game is looking stunning and still extremely performant compared to new titles that simply cannot be run at their maximum settings with the newest watercooled graphics cards2 -
Mavor✭✭✭I doubt it'll ever get a full overhaul - but damn I would LOVE to see the vanilla armor motifs get a rework - over a period of time.
Some of the old pieces just look awful compared to newer motifs, lumpy textures, atrocious fitting of helmets on Argonians and Khajiit - seriously, how helmet sizing/fitting for those two races ever passed quality control I'll never know, looks so amateur compared to newer motifs.1 -
robpr✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO need a kickass new engine first. See the new Doom and how well it performs while being very smooth. With that level of engine ESO could raise textures resolution, even at cost of even more HD space.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think after some years we might see something, although honestly most of the newer zones are pretty amazing. I normally only notice the lower quality when going to the older launch zones.
This.
I expect the newer zones will continue to take advantage of Zos shedding dead the dead weight of supporting older potatoes, but the older zones will likely be a long time if ever before they are overhauled.
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Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS is already killing of ESO before Fallout 76 and Tes6 gets released, so NO. No new graphics before this game is officially dead
hopefully that will take some time at least xP Cleared Trials:
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"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
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SanderBuraas✭✭✭✭✭I want the game to be darker, and to have more contrast. Also, the skies in ESO are foggy on the bottom, and it makes the game look more boring. I wrote a post about it in 2015: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/202206/the-fog-is-terrible/p1.0
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ezikeo✭✭✭I think the graphics are okay, if anything, the game really needs a combat animation update. The 2 handed animations are super clunky and they just don't look good. What they could also really use is a color filter option. I edited the colors with reshade on my game and its night and day.
Edited by ezikeo on October 29, 2018 4:09PM0 -
profundidob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭ESO need a kickass new engine first. See the new Doom and how well it performs while being very smooth. With that level of engine ESO could raise textures resolution, even at cost of even more HD space.
true, but with the graphics load already being low that is not where the bottleneck is. In fact it's not even in the gpu at all but rather in the cpu part, more specifically in the single-thread performance of the cpu and this is normal because it is typical for mmo's to have lots of linear calculation lines that can only exist within 1 single thread from start till end.
So you see, engine doesn't matter. When i'm alone in a group dungeon in ESO I get a flat 144fps @ 4K all the time which proves how performance the graphics part is. As soon as 3 other people zone in, we all start casting spells and the client has to start calculating all the relations between them and how they affect each other through the use of single threads, the fps immediately drops down to 80.2 -
JimmyJuJu✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »After playing some of the new Red Dead Redemption 2 this weekend and then going back to ESO for a trial, it was obvious how limited the graphics are in this game. Obviously RDR2 is much newer and only a single player game, but my lord the graphics are horrible compared to other games on console. Maybe PC is different with much more expensive machines.
RDR2 looks absolutely amazing (from what I have seen). Sadly for me, I play PC so I either have to wait or go without. But, yes, it looks incredible.Edited by JimmyJuJu on October 29, 2018 4:15PM0 -
BuddyAces✭✭✭✭✭
✭For an MMO this game looks freaking amazing. You have to remember that this isn't a single player title where they can make it so you need a top of the line rig to run it.
Heck, there are folks now with an ok machine who have problems.They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
I'm blown away by the utter stupidity I see here on the daily. - Wrekkedd0 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They could work on new models and push them out just like what WoW did closing 10 years ago. that being said an overhaul would mean a new game engine. Only way we are getting a new engine would be ESO 2.0 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why? It still looks great.
Does RDR2 look better? Sure. It's also over 90GB.
And just because some newer game looks better, doesn't suddenly make older games no longer look good.
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Gorgoneus✭✭✭Never, they won't even upgrade their crappy uild storage interface even speciall addons can't work with. Using MM and always wondering about empty pages (addon hidding items out of you'r filter but still must open thouse pages, because can't avoid basic game interface options): do they really hase no goods I trying to finde, or maybe my filted just didn't work.
Thats why usually I searching not exactly item I need, but something with same letters just to be shure my add-on at least works.
Just improve dat damned interface, and let us automatically skip pages with goods we no need, and start from page 10-20 or even 30, if this is a first page containg the item we tyoed in search window.0 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »They could work on new models and push them out just like what WoW did closing 10 years ago. that being said an overhaul would mean a new game engine. Only way we are getting a new engine would be ESO 2.
I am not saying you are wrong at all. A few people now have said it would need a new game engine. Ok, so if a new engine is needed, why would it have to be ESO2? Why couldn't they just get rid of the old engine and put in a new one? I don't understand. We keep seeing remakes or enhanced editions. They can do the same for ESO. They wouldn't even have to call it ESO2 just keep the same name and keep continuing for people instead of making them start over again. I know for one if there is an ESO2 I wouldn't like to start all over again.
I mean if Black Desert Online can do it, couldn't Zenimax Online Studios do it as well? That is why I am asking. Saying it's the engine doesn't explain it to me so I can't understand. If the engine is the problem, then replace it. Not a big deal. After all Skyrim seemed to do it a lot.
Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No amount of wishful discussion is gonna turn ESO into Black Desert.
Besides ZOS made a statement that any released art on the live server won't be changed again.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭This game really doesn’t need it. Unless you consider poorly textured things graphics then sure it can get a few tweaks. But something like bdo is the last thing this game needs.0 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't want ESO to turn into Black Desert Online. I just mentioned them is they are the only MMO that I know of that has changed their graphics. Thanks for letting me know that ZOS said they will not change their graphics. Good to know. Also it's a shame to know since that shows me that ZOS doesn't have long term plans for the game and only short turn plans.
I like to invest more in ESO but if the plug can be pulled any moment, it's hard to invest. From what I read there could be 2 more years of ESO and after that who knows. Just hoping to see what ZOS would have for the long term.Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »This game really doesn’t need it. Unless you consider poorly textured things graphics then sure it can get a few tweaks. But something like bdo is the last thing this game needs.
I know the game doesn't need it. I am talking in about 2 or 5 years from now. It's one thing playing the game now and liking the art work so it doesn't matter down the road, but as an example I use was Neverwinter on Xbox, I can't get into the dated graphics as a newbie. So I am guessing in 5 years from now, how will you get fresh blood with dated graphics? Again as I said before, it's not now but later.Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't want ESO to turn into Black Desert Online. I just mentioned them is they are the only MMO that I know of that has changed their graphics. Thanks for letting me know that ZOS said they will not change their graphics. Good to know. Also it's a shame to know since that shows me that ZOS doesn't have long term plans for the game and only short turn plans.
I like to invest more in ESO but if the plug can be pulled any moment, it's hard to invest. From what I read there could be 2 more years of ESO and after that who knows. Just hoping to see what ZOS would have for the long term.
It’s a 10 year (original) plan. Which can easily be extended with the amount of lore in elder scrolls but what might happen is they make a part two or decide to do a game changing expansion like long running mmos.
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