If this is the high I would hate to see the low

ESO is safe. I get it. It’s what ZOS has to do in order to secure their profits. The single player games, however, are far from safe. In Morrowind you can buy slaves. In Skyrim you can beat up kidnapped civilians until they tell you where their treasure is and then proceed to kill them for no reason. In ESO you can kill NPCs, yes, but it is done differently. ESO dampens situations to appeal to the media, which will turn on a dime if the game protects anything that isn’t politically correct. For example, in the Morrowind chapter, you are forced to help the slaves. Even as an evil Telvanni Dunmer. Why? Slavery is bad. We get it. But our characters don’t necessarily believe that. The game lacks choice because it fears backlash from the mechanical gaming news outlets who will throw anything under the bus in order to generate a conflict.

Anyways, the game is good but very gray. TES 6 will hopefully have more color (and I don’t mean micro-transaction crate mounts).

I am not picking on @spartaxoxo just commenting to what was said from many posters here.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

If you expect a single player game to have as much gear diversity as an MMO that has been around for years, you're kidding yourself.

That is one of the strengths of an mmo vs single player game. MMOs and Single player games are entirely different beasts.

No they are not. Some people said Apples and Oranges but it's still the same. It's a video game. We pay for it, and play it. So it's not apples and oranges. I know you didn't say it, but that is the feeling I am getting here.

You will get more gear diversity, non-linear enemy interactions (since some of your enemies are genuinley other human beings), and harder bosses in a multiplayer game. The last one is true because they do not have to make the boss defeatable by a single player.

In a single player game you will get better aesthetics, better story telling, more consequences for the story choices you make, a superior focus on making builds fun rather than balanced, more customization, and less consideration of the cash shop impacting gameplay.

From here I gather you get better gear in MMO and better stories in single player. No. Not true at all. Morrowind has so much more gear than ESO so point proven wrong. A single player game can have more and varied gear than an MMO. Also ESO has better stories than lots of single player games I have played. So again that is wrong. So we can compare apples with oranges.

They are apples and oranges, they shouldn't even be compared. And it is certainly silly to worry eso will overshadow the main game, as the main game will attract a lot of players who would never play an MMO.

So with your examples I have proved why it's NOT apples and oranges. An MMO and a single player game can be compared to each other. As I said, they are video games. We want to be entertained. What's next? A movie straight to video can't be compared to a movie that is not straight to video? They are both movies. One released for the enjoyment of a few people and one made for a move to be enjoyed by many people. Yet we don't leave that out when comparing the movies made.

So yes Elder Scrolls Online has set the bar high. Why? Just look at Fallout 4. Compare that to Skyrim we have less content, less story telling. Bethesda is actually on a downslide now when making video games. Look at Fallout76. No NPCs so much less story telling. Less work needed to be done in creating a "new product" (or mod sold at full price). So if anything Bethesda has lost their name in INOVATION, and BEST at new great looking games. I have lost faith in Bethesda. I still love them.

Funny how Zenimax Online Studios was a joke name and people compared it to Bethesda. Now the tides of turned. ZOS is so much better than Bethesda is now. After all I am sure ESO for me at least will be better entertainment than Fallout76. Why? I will not buy Fallout76 since Bethesda made a game I don't want. So if Bethesda is failing in making a game I want then they have big shoes to fill with TES VI.

Tholian1 wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Witcher 3 put all TES titles to shame (it put all open world RPGs to shame). I hope that is the reason for the long development cycle: they want to release something that can compete with that masterpiece.

I really hope we get a game of that scale and scope with TES VI and not just Morrowind with upgraded graphics (which is what Oblivion and Skyrim were). The technology to create a much bigger, more immersive world is available today. There is no excuse for another cramped map with 30 NPCs.

I have this small hope that they want to give us ALL of Tamriel and the Oblivion realms so that in future games, they can perhaps go to the otherwide of Nirn and give us something completely new and barely known about.

The plans for TES 6 are being described as “big” and “ambitious”. So hopefully we will get all of Tamriel.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/elder-scrolls-6-is-a-long-time-off-might-not-launc/1100-6462813/

We're definitely not getting all of Tamriel. It wouldn't make business sense to release all of that content for the price of a single game (not to mention that no developer has the time or resources for a project of that scope).

I just want one zone done properly. Not these 250x scaled down versions like before. The technology is there for more immersive scale (see TW3, RDR2, etc.)

Not sure next 10 year project will start

Anrose wrote: »

Has ESO set the bar... too high?

Friend, either your expectations are incredibly low or share whatever it is you’re smoking.

How about share why ESO hasn't se the bar? Please explain how Bethesda will set the bar. Bethesda hasn't set the bar since Oblivion.

Elong wrote: »

It won't lag, so no.

I am sure my Morrowind would like to have a word with you.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

Funny how Zenimax Online Studios was a joke name and people compared it to Bethesda. Now the tides of turned. ZOS is so much better than Bethesda is now. After all I am sure ESO for me at least will be better entertainment than Fallout76. Why? I will not buy Fallout76 since Bethesda made a game I don't want. So if Bethesda is failing in making a game I want then they have big shoes to fill with TES VI.

You do realize that Bethesda makes the games and all of the content/updates and ZOS just manages the day to day operations of ESO, right? And you also realized they are two different divisions of the same company, right? If you ever need(game) tech support for ESO, you actually get sent to a Bethesda rep.

When was this? There was no Bethesda name until One Tamriel. and then they were just there for "support". (I say they put the name it there for name recension.) I am not saying you are wrong, but I am sure that it is Zenimax Online Studios who makes the game. What part does Bethesda Studios have in the game? What are they actually doing now when they didn't before? Are you saying almost everyone at Zenimax Online Studios got fired or Bethesda hired them? While they are owned by the same parent company Zenimax, they are different companies and developers. When did this change?

Davor wrote: »

Funny how Zenimax Online Studios was a joke name and people compared it to Bethesda. Now the tides of turned. ZOS is so much better than Bethesda is now. After all I am sure ESO for me at least will be better entertainment than Fallout76. Why? I will not buy Fallout76 since Bethesda made a game I don't want. So if Bethesda is failing in making a game I want then they have big shoes to fill with TES VI.

For me, it's the opposite between Zenimax and Bethesda.

I wish Bethesda would make single player games more often in the genre I like (I agree with the not interested in Fallout series) however I understand the idea of waiting until technology catches up with the ideas they want to implement. When Bethesda does make a single player game in the genre I enjoy they almost always deliver an epic feel. Sure there is an occasional feeling of "Wow we just did that Holy Snipies!" in some MMO's but it just doesn't compare to me. No MMO has ever really delivered any EPICness for me other than perhaps environmental design which honestly can be seen "without" the distraction of other players.

So for me, the tides are still churning as they always have, they are just two completely separate tides on two completely different beaches.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Witcher 3 put all TES titles to shame (it put all open world RPGs to shame). I hope that is the reason for the long development cycle: they want to release something that can compete with that masterpiece.

I really hope we get a game of that scale and scope with TES VI and not just Morrowind with upgraded graphics (which is what Oblivion and Skyrim were). The technology to create a much bigger, more immersive world is available today. There is no excuse for another cramped map with 30 NPCs.

While the Witcher 3 is one of the best RPGs out there, it is completely different from TES. Witcher is about storytelling and characters, TES is about doing your own stuff (I usually spend 200-300 gameplay hours roaming before I dive in TES main story).

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Bar too high for what exactly?

I gave examples in the post, but it seems nobody cares about them.

I don't even know what you are talking about. Rings, necklaces, more armor parts what? If you benchmark your games according to amount of clothes you can wear, then you should play Diablo instead. All other systems are not comparable to single player experience.
The only part ESO does better is housing, which is unimportant in a single player game (and I hope housing will not be the main part of the game like it was in Fallout 4)

Davor wrote: »

Fallout 4 is fine for a single player game. Combat is good as well. So not seeing how Bethesda is exceeding the bar they set with Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind and Oblivion. Sadly Sky while an awesome great game did not set anything. So Bethesda is actually in a down word spiral when it comes to innovation and graphics. They are getting beat by other companies in innovation and better graphics and game play.

No innovation in graphics and gameplay? Graphics I don't care about. And Bethesda if not invented but certainly made popular "random roadside encounters" in Fallout and Skyrim. And don't even let me start on fighting with dragons. That thing was a huge gameplay improvement for me.

In my opinion, Bethesda delivered us top notch RPG games without fail (even though I was disappointed by Oblivion and Fallout 4, I still think these RPGs are way above average). So I have every hope in them, without raising my expectations too much

Just.. no.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Mods aren't the work of the developer. They're fan projects. You can't use them to describe a game as being good or bad without being disingenuous.

Yeah, but the game engine that SUPPORTS modding is the work of the developers. That's what made Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim live so much longer than their competitors.

Giving TES Construction Kit to community was the best decision Bethesda could have made.

ESO is a joke compared to ES. HATE ESO bows range and targeting.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

Funny how Zenimax Online Studios was a joke name and people compared it to Bethesda. Now the tides of turned. ZOS is so much better than Bethesda is now. After all I am sure ESO for me at least will be better entertainment than Fallout76. Why? I will not buy Fallout76 since Bethesda made a game I don't want. So if Bethesda is failing in making a game I want then they have big shoes to fill with TES VI.

You do realize that Bethesda makes the games and all of the content/updates and ZOS just manages the day to day operations of ESO, right? And you also realized they are two different divisions of the same company, right? If you ever need(game) tech support for ESO, you actually get sent to a Bethesda rep.

your wrong Bethseda was publisher. ESO was made by Zenimax it. zenimax studios was opened specifically to develop ESO and 3 other titles , you get bethseda customer rep because Bethseda actually owns ESO and all their customer service is handled by reps that handle all of their published games. And your correct Bethesda is the parent company Zenimax is just a studio that makes Bethsedas online games from here on out but Bethseda has nothing to do with ESO other then telling Matt what to do. that's why Bethseda borrowed 300 million bucks to start this studio. then fired all the talent after release and replaced with cheap in experienced developers.Both are controlled by Robert Altman big shot lawyer and political string puller. I think Altman has a bunch of other shell companies he has been in serious trouble before and was charged with federal crimes.