The combat devs of this game are the single worst I have ever seen.

ak_pvp · October 2018

They are completely and utterly incapable of making a balanced game. Every single patch we hope for better, but nope. Ever since morrowind there has been no patch I think "yeah, this is overall good for the game."

They repetitively have shown lack of thought when it comes to adding/nerfing things without considering the ramifications. Take sloads, other procs, cast time shields, the enchant meta, rune cage, that one time they made a heal based on missing magicka. I seriously wonder how they get out of bed in the morning?
And when told that there is an issue, they don't listen to it at all, or leave it for far too long. No sane dev in any other game would let something like this happen. Having balance patches every 3 months should mean they are immaculate, not stuck with issues from years gone by and with new ones called out from the PTS. Its something i'd expect from an indie studio. Hell, there are indie studios that do this infinitely better, take rust. Weekly balance and bug fix patches, a fair methodology, and good community outreach.

The ESO devs are physically unable to consider both sides of an issue, the number one premise behind balance. They instead constantly only take one side and mess with it, always making it worse (not in strength, in general) Want to buff something? Its brutally OP. Want to nerf something, its useless now. And then that creates issues where its counterpart is too weak/strong, and then they mess with that, further messing it up, ad infinitum.
This can be seen with the mess of speed-stand your ground. They nerfed stand your ground in to the ground, because some people with skill could high dmg. (There was pros and cons to this) Then speed became necessary, the meta shifted and some people could outrun nearly everything with high speed and dmg. (Again, had pros and cons) What did they do, blanket slap speed way too hard, without looking at snares/tankiness at all. To no surprise people are complaining about them again. The cycle will continue.
If they did targeted balancing for both sides, this wouldn't have been a recurring issue. But nope, lets dumb down the game to the point its only worth playing in a zerg since your own skill doesn't matter.

Funnily enough, that is the only thing that isn't changed. Potato friendly mechanics. Because for some reason all the one button wonders need to be as effective as good players. Not like this is an RPG right? Snipe, cloak, time stop, heal spam etc. All things bad players would be crushed with solo, but because they are hidden all comfy in their small group of 48 its fine. I mean, why bother trying to use your skills, timing and tactics which get devalued each and every patch when you can slot 3 skills and roll the map with safety and ease.
Seems that ZOS wants this, and its hilarious.

kargen27 · October 2018

If this is the worst ever why are you still playing? If you are not playing why do you care?

ak_pvp · October 2018

kargen27 wrote: »

If this is the worst ever why are you still playing? If you are not playing why do you care?

Cause I put time and money into it? I am definitely playing less but it at its core is a game with good potential and is really only being held back by the devs who simply don't care. I.e. class rep program. "Monthly" updates. Which is why I am voicing my concerns.

Though I am just waiting for fo76s official release before I jump ship fully.

brandonv516 · October 2018

Agree for the most part except cloak is not a zerg skill.

Maybe I don't take part in enough zergs but I just don't see it's effectiveness or necessity.

Kikke · October 2018

"Why are you still playing"

Because most of us that bother to show any outrage on the forums usually has spent alot of time on their characters and just quiting feels like all that time went wasted. But sure, everyone got a limit where time spent no longer is a reason to stay anymore.

And I belive this is the patch that does it for me.

DMuehlhausen · October 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

"Why are you still playing"

Because most of us that bother to show any outrage on the forums usually has spent alot of time on their characters and just quiting feels like all that time went wasted. But sure, everyone got a limit where time spent no longer is a reason to stay anymore.

And I belive this is the patch that does it for me.

Until you're still around complaining about the next change that "kills the game" for you, or will "be the end of the game" if it's so bad then stop playing.

ak_pvp · October 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

Agree for the most part except cloak is not a zerg skill.

Maybe I don't take part in enough zergs but I just don't see it's effectiveness or necessity.

I was hesitant to put it there tbh, its both useful for zergs and the best anti zerg tool. I suppose I should specify in tandem with cowardly plays like cloak/snipe/cloak from a wall or general stealthing with a group to jump on someone. A zerg can mark spam you, but you can't do anything to the cloaking heroes from range.

idk · October 2018

Ironically Zos has hired one of the best players in the game, one that often gave critical feedback to Zos openly via his content creation. Via the forums I had seen he no longer raids at the high level anymore and seems to not be experiencing the latest mechanics in CR.

Seems though with the heavy weight addition things did not change.

kargen27 wrote: »

If this is the worst ever why are you still playing? If you are not playing why do you care?

Because it is go back to kindergarten with games like WoW and FF or stay here.

While Zos is tasked with trying to manage a much more complicated system than more MMORPGs have with all the skill line choices we all have access to, they do seem to lack a vision which seems to be the reason Zos makes such heavy handed changes.

I still say the issue is clearly at the top. The game launched over 4 years ago in a barely playable state which was clearly due to organizational issues and a lack of focus/vision.

We have seen very heavy handed changes starting with 1.6 through Morrowind and to this recent update. Each seemingly based on an incoherent vision.

But most of us stay because the alternatives are worse for now.

ChunkyCat · October 2018

I’m just over here waiting for them to separate solo and group queues for BG

idk · October 2018

ChunkyCat wrote: »

I’m just over here waiting for them to separate solo and group queues for BG

You will be waiting for a long time. That will not happen.

Nebthet78 · October 2018

idk wrote: »

Ironically Zos has hired one of the best players in the game, one that often gave critical feedback to Zos openly via his content creation. Via the forums I had seen he no longer raids at the high level anymore and seems to not be experiencing the latest mechanics in CR.

Seems though with the heavy weight addition things did not change.

That'd be because GilliamtheRogue is now one of the lowest workers on the totem pole there. Additionally, the easiest way to shut up your worst critic who actually had great evidence that shows a Company's incompetence, is to hire them. Thus, utterly gagging them indefinitely while he remains an employee.

Sheezabeast · October 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

If this is the worst ever why are you still playing? If you are not playing why do you care?

Cause I put time and money into it? I am definitely playing less but it at its core is a game with good potential and is really only being held back by the devs who simply don't care. I.e. class rep program. "Monthly" updates. Which is why I am voicing my concerns.

Though I am just waiting for fo76s official release before I jump ship fully.

But you're not jumping ship, you're still funding Bethesda...

Ramber · October 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

Agree for the most part except cloak is not a zerg skill.

Maybe I don't take part in enough zergs but I just don't see it's effectiveness or necessity.

WOW, you have never seen a group of 12-15 players come out of cloak all at once and roll over your smaller group? thats a zerg is it now? your not a PvPer lol.

brandonv516 · October 2018

Ramber wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Agree for the most part except cloak is not a zerg skill.

Maybe I don't take part in enough zergs but I just don't see it's effectiveness or necessity.

WOW, you have never seen a group of 12-15 players come out of cloak all at once and roll over your smaller group? thats a zerg is it now? your not a PvPer lol.

Nope. I'm obviously not.

Gilvoth · October 2018

the devs care and thier doing good work.
just because you disagree with their decisions does not mean they are wrong.

jcm2606 · October 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the devs care and thier doing good work.
just because you disagree with their decisions does not mean they are wrong.

"thier doing good work"

Oh, so the new enchant meta, blanket nerfs to mobility, heavy-handed nerfs to shields, constant addition of proc sets (Sloads, Soldier of Anguish), dogpiling nerfs on top of nerfs for certain skills/classes/playstyles/sets, constantly deteriorating client/server performance, refusal to separate PVP and PVE balancing, gross incompetence when it comes to actually writing the game (see all the bugs this patch), refusal to even acknowledge game-breaking bugs, are all examples of good work?

If Zenimax is doing good work, then I'm the *** pope.

RebornV3x · October 2018

Its obvious that the devs either do very little internal testing when it comes to anything combat, skill or gear set related and probably don't play there own game and are incompetent, or secondly the team leads actually play the game and nerf/ buff more or less there own class or play style or lastly they simply don't care and they get paid regardless

Blacknight841 · October 2018

* Zenimax Developers working on the next patch*

- Each take turns throwing darts at a wall of skills/sets to nerf or buff. Whatever sticks, is what we roll with!
- Draw bugs out of a hat to see what should be fixed and what shouldn't.
- Spin a wheel on what things should be broken
- Draw cards on how many times they should repackage content that already exists
- Roll a loaded die on listening to the community complaints
- Flip a coin on if they should add more stuff to the crown store ..., it double sided and always lands with a definite "yes"

ak_pvp · October 2018

Sheezabeast wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

If this is the worst ever why are you still playing? If you are not playing why do you care?

Cause I put time and money into it? I am definitely playing less but it at its core is a game with good potential and is really only being held back by the devs who simply don't care. I.e. class rep program. "Monthly" updates. Which is why I am voicing my concerns.

Though I am just waiting for fo76s official release before I jump ship fully.

But you're not jumping ship, you're still funding Bethesda...

ZOS and BethSoft are both under Zenimax MC yes, but they are different companies and completely different teams. They are also doing completely different projects. If I have problems with FO76 then I'll voice it there. But for now with how ESO is run, I have for a while refused to pay anything for it. And that money, though small and insignificant, is gone from ESO.

JasonWangTaiwan · October 2018

There’s always people say ‘ Why are you still playing ?’
Of course you follow stupid meta and play without using your brain and any correct balance will rekt you right of being dumb.

Rukzadlithau · October 2018

Totally agree. It‘s infuriating, such a great game deserved better. I wonder what will happen once the first true competitor is on the market. Will things change relatively quick or will they knowingly let it die?

Personally I believe the approach is minimal effort maximal revenue, and it is planned when they entierly stop the services. Nobody in their right mind would let this mess that happens here go through for a long term project that envision quality.

Morgul667 · October 2018

Performance and combat team changing everything all the time are the two issues of the game

The rest is great

Knootewoot · October 2018

Ramber wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Agree for the most part except cloak is not a zerg skill.

Maybe I don't take part in enough zergs but I just don't see it's effectiveness or necessity.

WOW, you have never seen a group of 12-15 players come out of cloak all at once and roll over your smaller group? thats a zerg is it now? your not a PvPer lol.

They dont come out of cloak, but out of stealth. There is a difference. Just saying because we don't need more need cloak treads. Stealth on the other hand, with the example you mention here should be looked at. 15 players stealthing probably in an open field should be visible in PvP.

spartaxoxo · October 2018

You probably haven't played too many other MMOs. I played one where a guy literally rolled his face on a keyboard and killed several people. This game is much more balanced than that one

Koensol · October 2018

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

"Why are you still playing"

Because most of us that bother to show any outrage on the forums usually has spent alot of time on their characters and just quiting feels like all that time went wasted. But sure, everyone got a limit where time spent no longer is a reason to stay anymore.

And I belive this is the patch that does it for me.

Until you're still around complaining about the next change that "kills the game" for you, or will "be the end of the game" if it's so bad then stop playing.

LMFAO! So if people feel like their life is in a bad state, should they "stop living" and commit suicide? And not try to do something to improve it? This logic from ZOS apologists is just wonderful.

thedude33 · October 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

If this is the worst ever why are you still playing? If you are not playing why do you care?

Cause I put time and money into it? I am definitely playing less but it at its core is a game with good potential and is really only being held back by the devs who simply don't care. I.e. class rep program. "Monthly" updates. Which is why I am voicing my concerns.

Though I am just waiting for fo76s official release before I jump ship fully.

Do you truly believe they don't care?

That their mission statement is " What can we do next to *** people off and hopefully make them quit" ? That the devs would prefer less money coming in every month ?

Zer0oo · October 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the devs care and thier doing good work.
just because you disagree with their decisions does not mean they are wrong.

Hi forum troll

geonsocal · October 2018

man, if a video game can give you this much angst - the rest of your life must be really good...

ak_pvp · October 2018

thedude33 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

If this is the worst ever why are you still playing? If you are not playing why do you care?

Cause I put time and money into it? I am definitely playing less but it at its core is a game with good potential and is really only being held back by the devs who simply don't care. I.e. class rep program. "Monthly" updates. Which is why I am voicing my concerns.

Though I am just waiting for fo76s official release before I jump ship fully.

Do you truly believe they don't care?

That their mission statement is " What can we do next to *** people off and hopefully make them quit" ? That the devs would prefer less money coming in every month ?

What I believe, and have evidence for, is the devs are a mix of incompetent, and trying to forward this game to the lowest common denominator.
The company as a whole doesn't care about improving the game for the end game players. They care about making it fun for the lowest common denominator, those who drop money for shines in the crown store, story DLC and don't really min max. They know of the stealth archers from skyrim have come and are the most popular, so won't touch them and will balance around them.

As such, the company allocates a low amount of resources towards what end game players want. We have seen the cut corners, we have seen the failed class rep and monthly update systems and we know first hand that the devs are understaffed.

Jaraal · October 2018

Problem is they are swinging for the fences with every combat change, rather than just trying to get base hits and as a result they are striking out. Trying to make small balance changes with sweeping mechanics rework doesn't make sense.

It also doesn't help that they completely ignore test server feedback. Why even have a test server if you're not going to listen to what the players say about the changes? They knew well in advance that the majority of testers said the new changes were broken and did not work, but they pushed them to live and guess what? Now the majority of live is up in arms.

iiYuki · October 2018

kargen27 wrote: »

If this is the worst ever why are you still playing? If you are not playing why do you care?

Quitting isn't the answer, maybe OP invested a lot of time or money into the game and wants to see it succeed do well. Personally I play a lot less now but I have 1000+ hours in the game and have played on and off since BETA, I want the game to do well the game has so much potential that is marred by awful discussions and design, TES is one of my favourite series of games ever bar none. Just quitting means ZO$ markets the game to the remaining people the people who didn't care or liked the change that made others leave.