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Should ZOS bring out a fast balance change patch to undo the last combat changes?
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Gralor✭✭✭✭✭YesThe overpowered enchantments need to be reverted ASAP.
For once, ZOS, this issue cannot wait until the next update to be fixed and ruin PVP for 3 straight months again. It’s worse than ever before and we all know that was hardly possible after all that we’ve seen in the past already.
I can’t but wonder if @ZOS_Gilliam is raging in your office right now. If there’d be any person to know how ridiculous it is at the moment, it would be him.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nosome very sick people on this forum think they have a right to dictate how Zenimax runs their Business.
this thread is out of line.1 -
Teeba_Shei✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesChange swift to snare reduction, revert nerfs on major expedition, and undo the enchantment changes.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Noforum-user wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
well said.
Edited by Gilvoth on October 26, 2018 5:35PM0 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yesdwemer_paleologist wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
they owe us nothing? how can you be so naive?
THEY OWE US THERE JOBS!!!!!! zenimax studios would have NOTHING without us.... literally nothing, zos's only game is eso. We have given them EVERYTHING
I have spent at least 1k dollars on this game since I started playing, ik players who have spent 10k + on this game, to keep what we love coming
If the entire eso fan base walked away from this game they would have NOTHING, and we are, we dont want to but we are, because zos has given us no choice at this point.
We have invested financially in zos
we have invested time in zos
we are invested emotionally in zos
and now we are cutting our HUGE losses rather than invest more money time and love into zosEdited by ezio45 on October 26, 2018 5:41PM3 -
Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes
.One of the biggest problems with rollbacks is that there was a single patch incorporating both the Murkmire DLC and the base game changes, so if they were to rollback the combat changes they'd be undoing Murkmire along with all the associated skill, achievement, and skyshard etc updates that people have earned. That wouldn't be easy, and it wouldn't go down well not least with those subscribers whose payments include DLC content and not all of whom by any means have any concerns at the moment anyway.
Talking of which, it's never a good idea to reverse changes that only impact on some of the players, only a subset of whom are critical of those changes in the first place.
Lastly, like it or not but it needs to be the developers who run the game and not the players. Players can help to influence and shape the game and they can vote with their feet (in a B2P game that's more impactful than simply suspending a subscription while remaining active in the game and on the forum), but the developers need to make the decisions on the structure of the game otherwise we'd be in a frightful mess with different players clamoring for different things and the developers not knowing whether they were coming or going.
Some may argue that the game is already in a frightful mess anyway but that's a minority view judging by the low level of complaints (less than with the sustain changes when Morrowind launched in my perception) and the way to address those complaints is by fixing several obvious bugs and providing some better communication over the remaining changes. The fact that some people don't like the changes doesn't necessarily mean that they're bad for the game and must be reversed. ZOS need to explain their reasoning for some of the changes a bit better, as well as giving more information about the things they regard as bugs and the likely arrangements for fixing them, including a better time estimate than "in a future incremental patch" or some such wording.
You do know we are the one putting food on the table for ZOS right?
No, you are not. Forum complaints are nothing more than a tempest in a teapot. Further, the complaints about Update 20 are minor compared to a couple past Updates.
For every one player complaining on the forums you get 100 players that cry in zone chat. So stop thinking like that would be a smart thing. And uf you were playing the game you would know this.
I play the game. Quit thinking you're special. After observing these Forum tirades for years, I am merely providing you with historical facts. It is immaterial whether you like it or not.
And I'll just repeat myself: After Morrowind launched a lot of people showed outrage on the forums, and ingame in all kinds of guild chats, zone chats, party chats and I even observed people talking about it in say around the map.
Same thing happens here, the shield nerfs, speed nerfs and in general bad implementation of the patch are discussed on the forums. But the changes are also discussed a LOT ingame, again. Guild chats, zone chats and all is talking about the changes and how bad they are. So coming here saying that the forum is a small minority is one thing, but saying what we think is the minority is just crazy. A bad change is a bad change no matter the perspective of the change.
Now, what happened in Morrowind? A lot of the games vets quit. Sure we got new players, but for one the trial scene in game just got worse over that.
What will happen now with all the bad changes and the lack of communication? More people will quit. Sure, some might join the game. But I doubt this as in what state the game is currently in any new player would easly be discouraged and quit.Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.1 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoOhhhh, is that what people are doing. Geez, I had no idea that coming up with the absurdity of glyphgate was so trend setting.
Watergate was the only scandal bearing the name. Every continued use of -gate at the end of something waters down the severity of the specific original grievance.
Experimenting with your own intellectual property is not a scandal. It's a right of ownership. But I know it's 2018 and fan communities think they own everything they touch. No.
Intellectual property is externally not a democracy. No matter how many hours you've played or how many dollars you've spent.
The time is sunk and you don't own anything past the memories. I operate in a tiny little space where I responsibly apply the current rule book to my play style without doing anything that I feel is disrespectful or unfair to other players.signing off1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nodwemer_paleologist wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
they owe us nothing? how can you be so naive?
THEY OWE US THERE JOBS!!!!!! zenimax studios would have NOTHING without us.... literally nothing, zos's only game is eso. We have given them EVERYTHING
I have spent at least 1k dollars on this game since I started playing, ik players who have spent 10k + on this game, to keep what we love coming
If the entire eso fan base walked away from this game they would have NOTHING, and we are, we dont want to but we are, because zos has given us no choice at this point.
We have invested financially in zos
we have invested time in zos
we are invested emotionally in zos
and now we are cutting our HUGE losses rather than invest more money time and love into zos
you and i and all of us here are simply "renting" thier product.
we own nothing here.
nothing wrong with making complaints but this thread, the thread comments, and your comment is out of line.2 -
phbell✭✭✭✭Only if they want more of my money. After 4.5 years of endless bugs and nerfs in the name of PvP balance, I am taking my money elsewhere.
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Zer0oo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yesdwemer_paleologist wrote: »forum-user wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
well said.
@dwemer_paleologist
Can you please stop trolling. I do not want to have the thread locked because ppl are getting off the line because of your bait posts.
Also please read before you write. I never said the must do so, i just wanted an opinion of the community if the combat changes should be temporary be undone till further improvements.
- Update 23Ice Furnace: This item set now grants Spell Damage, rather than Weapon Damage for the 4 piece bonus0 -
Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭YesIt seems ESO is expanding more and more widely but getting shallower and shallower. Let’s quit eliminating depth from the game.0
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ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yesdwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
they owe us nothing? how can you be so naive?
THEY OWE US THERE JOBS!!!!!! zenimax studios would have NOTHING without us.... literally nothing, zos's only game is eso. We have given them EVERYTHING
I have spent at least 1k dollars on this game since I started playing, ik players who have spent 10k + on this game, to keep what we love coming
If the entire eso fan base walked away from this game they would have NOTHING, and we are, we dont want to but we are, because zos has given us no choice at this point.
We have invested financially in zos
we have invested time in zos
we are invested emotionally in zos
and now we are cutting our HUGE losses rather than invest more money time and love into zos
you and i and all of us here are simply "renting" thier product.
we own nothing here.
nothing wrong with making complaints but this thread, the thread comments, and your comment is out of line.
fair, but if we dont rent their product, they, dont make money, and if they dont make money zos's bank are going to take away zos's toys and fire all of them. so ya they can totally remodel the house and I dont have to like how they remodel the house, and I can choice to rent elsewhere, in a land with many many many new house being build every day, but zos better hope they find people to replace me and the others who left or there going to not have to foreclose there properties1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nodwemer_paleologist wrote: »forum-user wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
well said.
@dwemer_paleologist
Can you please stop trolling. I do not want to have the thread locked because ppl are getting off the line because of your bait posts.
Also please read before you write. I never said the must do so, i just wanted an opinion of the community if the combat changes should be temporary be undone till further improvements.
my comment stands.
this thread is out of line, nothing "baiting" in any of my comments.
simply stating the truth that this thread is against the forum rules and is out of line.0 -
qbit✭✭✭✭✭One of the biggest problems with rollbacks is that there was a single patch incorporating both the Murkmire DLC and the base game changes, so if they were to rollback the combat changes they'd be undoing Murkmire along with all the associated skill, achievement, and skyshard etc updates that people have earned. That wouldn't be easy, and it wouldn't go down well not least with those subscribers whose payments include DLC content and not all of whom by any means have any concerns at the moment anyway.
Talking of which, it's never a good idea to reverse changes that only impact on some of the players, only a subset of whom are critical of those changes in the first place.
Lastly, like it or not but it needs to be the developers who run the game and not the players. Players can help to influence and shape the game and they can vote with their feet (in a B2P game that's more impactful than simply suspending a subscription while remaining active in the game and on the forum), but the developers need to make the decisions on the structure of the game otherwise we'd be in a frightful mess with different players clamoring for different things and the developers not knowing whether they were coming or going.
Some may argue that the game is already in a frightful mess anyway but that's a minority view judging by the low level of complaints (less than with the sustain changes when Morrowind launched in my perception) and the way to address those complaints is by fixing several obvious bugs and providing some better communication over the remaining changes. The fact that some people don't like the changes doesn't necessarily mean that they're bad for the game and must be reversed. ZOS need to explain their reasoning for some of the changes a bit better, as well as giving more information about the things they regard as bugs and the likely arrangements for fixing them, including a better time estimate than "in a future incremental patch" or some such wording.
You do know we are the one putting food on the table for ZOS right?
The "I pay your wages" argument is never a winning one, in any walk of life.
It is a winning one when you stop paying them. Ask anyone that’s ever been fired from their job. See who won...0 -
qbit✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »forum-user wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
well said.
@dwemer_paleologist
Can you please stop trolling. I do not want to have the thread locked because ppl are getting off the line because of your bait posts.
Also please read before you write. I never said the must do so, i just wanted an opinion of the community if the combat changes should be temporary be undone till further improvements.
my comment stands.
this thread is out of line, nothing "baiting" in any of my comments.
simply stating the truth that this thread is against the forum rules and is out of line.
I had to take a doubletake there on your name. Thought that said “dwemer_appologist” 🤷♂️
Sorry?0 -
Teeba_Shei✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yesdwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »forum-user wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
well said.
@dwemer_paleologist
Can you please stop trolling. I do not want to have the thread locked because ppl are getting off the line because of your bait posts.
Also please read before you write. I never said the must do so, i just wanted an opinion of the community if the combat changes should be temporary be undone till further improvements.
my comment stands.
this thread is out of line, nothing "baiting" in any of my comments.
simply stating the truth that this thread is against the forum rules and is out of line.
What part of the forums rules is it breaking?0 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoSeems I never answered the OP's question.
NO, because if Zenimax reverted every Update that players complained about, we'd still be playing Beta.
For others who think this Update is a disaster:
The last time I worried about the tempest in a teapot over a patch, it was after a well-known streamer held a funeral for his character for all the world to see.
If I listened to his opinion, I might have left the game, too.
But I didn't. My character (same as his dead and buried character) was better after the patch. I'm glad I ignored the soi-disant community and just played the game.
Edited by therift on October 26, 2018 6:20PM1 -
phbell✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
I suspect that you are correct, however a service provider that does not listen to their customers is the arrogant party in the dialog. And make no mistake. Online games are not public utilies, they are non-essential Services that customers can easily choose to cancel. Based on personal observations the unhappiness generated by this new direction is the highest I have seen. I currently count 34 friends that have left the game as a direct result of this patch.
There are lots of alternatives to this game and the damage may be irreversible. Angering the customer base and then disregarding the consequence is arrogant, not to mention foolish.2 -
qbit✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
I suspect that you are correct, however a service provider that does not listen to their customers is the arrogant party in the dialog. And make no mistake. Online games are not public utilies, they are non-essential Services that customers can easily choose to cancel. Based on personal observations the unhappiness generated by this new direction is the highest I have seen. I currently count 34 friends that have left the game as a direct result of this patch.
There are lots of alternatives to this game and the damage may be irreversible. Angering the customer base and then disregarding the consequence is arrogant, not to mention foolish.
Dwemer appologist gonna keep apologizing for ZOS until they shut the game down due to lack of revenue. Then it will still be our fault. The arrogance in their mind will be because we left the game and played something else.1 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nodwemer_paleologist wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
I suspect that you are correct, however a service provider that does not listen to their customers is the arrogant party in the dialog. And make no mistake. Online games are not public utilies, they are non-essential Services that customers can easily choose to cancel. Based on personal observations the unhappiness generated by this new direction is the highest I have seen. I currently count 34 friends that have left the game as a direct result of this patch.
There are lots of alternatives to this game and the damage may be irreversible. Angering the customer base and then disregarding the consequence is arrogant, not to mention foolish.
Dwemer appologist gonna keep apologizing for ZOS until they shut the game down due to lack of revenue. Then it will still be our fault. The arrogance in their mind will be because we left the game and played something else.
I'm waiting for the shut-down predictions from 2015 to kick in from all the players leaving the game. It's almost 2019 now, right?2 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭The overpowered enchantments need to be reverted ASAP.
For once, ZOS, this issue cannot wait until the next update to be fixed and ruin PVP for 3 straight months again. It’s worse than ever before and we all know that was hardly possible after all that we’ve seen in the past already.
I can’t but wonder if @ZOS_Gilliam is raging in your office right now. If there’d be any person to know how ridiculous it is at the moment, it would be him.
Just sweep it under the rug.Fixing it is going to create worse problems.0 -
ScardyFox✭✭✭✭✭YesOhhhh, is that what people are doing. Geez, I had no idea that coming up with the absurdity of glyphgate was so trend setting.
Watergate was the only scandal bearing the name. Every continued use of -gate at the end of something waters down the severity of the specific original grievance.
Experimenting with your own intellectual property is not a scandal. It's a right of ownership. But I know it's 2018 and fan communities think they own everything they touch. No.
Intellectual property is externally not a democracy. No matter how many hours you've played or how many dollars you've spent.
The time is sunk and you don't own anything past the memories. I operate in a tiny little space where I responsibly apply the current rule book to my play style without doing anything that I feel is disrespectful or unfair to other players.
I started to read this... but got quickly bored by the pedantic and presumptuous nature of the post and skimmed through what I could stomach.
Point remains the same for me: Its trash and my paying for their trash they're forcing down everyone's throat gives me every right to express as many times as I like how crap it is. Will it change anything? More then likely not - but its sure better then pretending this is anything other then abysmal.
So, we can keep on posting where you can pretend that this is all a d*ck riding outrage campaign (or whatever you implied) and I can keep thinking you're just a sycophant. That symmetry we have going between the two of us is more smooth then the trash update they have jammed down everyone's palate.1 -
qbit✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
I suspect that you are correct, however a service provider that does not listen to their customers is the arrogant party in the dialog. And make no mistake. Online games are not public utilies, they are non-essential Services that customers can easily choose to cancel. Based on personal observations the unhappiness generated by this new direction is the highest I have seen. I currently count 34 friends that have left the game as a direct result of this patch.
There are lots of alternatives to this game and the damage may be irreversible. Angering the customer base and then disregarding the consequence is arrogant, not to mention foolish.
Dwemer appologist gonna keep apologizing for ZOS until they shut the game down due to lack of revenue. Then it will still be our fault. The arrogance in their mind will be because we left the game and played something else.
I'm waiting for the shut-down predictions from 2015 to kick in from all the players leaving the game. It's almost 2019 now, right?
I’ve logged on once this week and used to logon every single day for hours. I come here for lack of a better source of entertaining drama, but clearly no longer care if my account on the forums is banned. Lot of other folks seem to feel the same way. Ya’all enjoy your game. Best of luck to you.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoOne of the biggest problems with rollbacks is that there was a single patch incorporating both the Murkmire DLC and the base game changes, so if they were to rollback the combat changes they'd be undoing Murkmire along with all the associated skill, achievement, and skyshard etc updates that people have earned. That wouldn't be easy, and it wouldn't go down well not least with those subscribers whose payments include DLC content and not all of whom by any means have any concerns at the moment anyway.
Talking of which, it's never a good idea to reverse changes that only impact on some of the players, only a subset of whom are critical of those changes in the first place.
Lastly, like it or not but it needs to be the developers who run the game and not the players. Players can help to influence and shape the game and they can vote with their feet (in a B2P game that's more impactful than simply suspending a subscription while remaining active in the game and on the forum), but the developers need to make the decisions on the structure of the game otherwise we'd be in a frightful mess with different players clamoring for different things and the developers not knowing whether they were coming or going.
Some may argue that the game is already in a frightful mess anyway but that's a minority view judging by the low level of complaints (less than with the sustain changes when Morrowind launched in my perception) and the way to address those complaints is by fixing several obvious bugs and providing some better communication over the remaining changes. The fact that some people don't like the changes doesn't necessarily mean that they're bad for the game and must be reversed. ZOS need to explain their reasoning for some of the changes a bit better, as well as giving more information about the things they regard as bugs and the likely arrangements for fixing them, including a better time estimate than "in a future incremental patch" or some such wording.
ok, the problem with this is the CURRENT developer.... are taking the game in a much different direction that the original developers......
there not improving it, we are not getting, oh this skill is unpopular lets improve it
we are getting a completely new direction for a game we have invested hundreds of days of play time into.
and the worst part is they cant even stick to one direction to drive the game into the ground with, we started like maybe a 20 degree downward angle and morrowind jumped it to lke 45 and now here we are at murkimire with like 90.... and its ABUNDANTLY CLEAR to everyone onboard that the plane is crashing, are we not suppose to be livid????
The fans could make this game better because the changes we want are in line with the game we started playing
zos isnt developing the elder scrolls online that we bought years ago, this game has gotten more and more away from that with every single patch and not for the better. They dont just add new fun zones or make improvements on the original that were needed, hell i would love some improvments. Like a damn trader search option.... instead they are completely overhauling a combat system we liked and classes we again liked, completely KILLING playstyles that were again liked
True, certainly in respect of the apology for a trading system, except for the fact that most of the combat changes that have come about since launch have been in response to complaints from the players - the most prominent of which has been that the game is too easy. As soon as ZOS start making people think twice about their gear or rotation a few players are up in arms at their playstyle having been changed. For every player that says they stick with the game because it's the best combat system there's another player saying he's left the game because it's the worst combat system. ZOS are in a no-win situation whatever they do or don't do, but for the fact that they alone have the data logs that lead them to make the changes they come up with. Some they'll get right, some they'll get wrong, and some will simply be bugged, but good luck finding many players or even ex-players who don't agree that the game has seen steady improvement since launch.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoSynapsis123 wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »forum-user wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
well said.
@dwemer_paleologist
Can you please stop trolling. I do not want to have the thread locked because ppl are getting off the line because of your bait posts.
Also please read before you write. I never said the must do so, i just wanted an opinion of the community if the combat changes should be temporary be undone till further improvements.
my comment stands.
this thread is out of line, nothing "baiting" in any of my comments.
simply stating the truth that this thread is against the forum rules and is out of line.
What part of the forums rules is it breaking?
forum pettitions, bashing, insulting.
several of the terms of service and forums rules.0 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭YesI'm not playing PvP until the enchantment thing is reined in. It's wild.
Everything else, I'm cautiously optimistic about--but I'm not about to play Rending Slashes Online.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
bardx86✭✭✭✭✭
✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »this Game, eso mmo, this forum, eso forum all belongs to Zenimax Studios.
they owe us nothing, and you do not dictate nor tell them how to do with anything in their game.
this thread is quite arrogant and insulting to them.
I suspect that you are correct, however a service provider that does not listen to their customers is the arrogant party in the dialog. And make no mistake. Online games are not public utilies, they are non-essential Services that customers can easily choose to cancel. Based on personal observations the unhappiness generated by this new direction is the highest I have seen. I currently count 34 friends that have left the game as a direct result of this patch.
There are lots of alternatives to this game and the damage may be irreversible. Angering the customer base and then disregarding the consequence is arrogant, not to mention foolish.
Dwemer appologist gonna keep apologizing for ZOS until they shut the game down due to lack of revenue. Then it will still be our fault. The arrogance in their mind will be because we left the game and played something else.
He just trying to protect his no skill bleed build NB. Its pretty obvious.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoOne of the biggest problems with rollbacks is that there was a single patch incorporating both the Murkmire DLC and the base game changes, so if they were to rollback the combat changes they'd be undoing Murkmire along with all the associated skill, achievement, and skyshard etc updates that people have earned. That wouldn't be easy, and it wouldn't go down well not least with those subscribers whose payments include DLC content and not all of whom by any means have any concerns at the moment anyway.
Talking of which, it's never a good idea to reverse changes that only impact on some of the players, only a subset of whom are critical of those changes in the first place.
Lastly, like it or not but it needs to be the developers who run the game and not the players. Players can help to influence and shape the game and they can vote with their feet (in a B2P game that's more impactful than simply suspending a subscription while remaining active in the game and on the forum), but the developers need to make the decisions on the structure of the game otherwise we'd be in a frightful mess with different players clamoring for different things and the developers not knowing whether they were coming or going.
Some may argue that the game is already in a frightful mess anyway but that's a minority view judging by the low level of complaints (less than with the sustain changes when Morrowind launched in my perception) and the way to address those complaints is by fixing several obvious bugs and providing some better communication over the remaining changes. The fact that some people don't like the changes doesn't necessarily mean that they're bad for the game and must be reversed. ZOS need to explain their reasoning for some of the changes a bit better, as well as giving more information about the things they regard as bugs and the likely arrangements for fixing them, including a better time estimate than "in a future incremental patch" or some such wording.
You do know we are the one putting food on the table for ZOS right?
The "I pay your wages" argument is never a winning one, in any walk of life.
It is a winning one when you stop paying them. Ask anyone that’s ever been fired from their job. See who won...
Two different things entirely. A customer taking their business elsewhere is quite different to a customer telling the company's representative "I pay your wages".2
