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torug's pact set in pvp... did we just kill pvp?
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Carbonised✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »Torugs is not the problem. It wasn't a problem in every single patch before Murkmire.
So...what changed?
Obviously it's the ridiculous way weapon enchants can now proc with less than one thumb. There is your culprit. Thank ZOS.
Indeed. Enchants aren't the problem, Torug's isnt. But the fact that you can now proc 2 x 2 weap enchants by doing nothing at all via weapon dots, with the increased strength and decreased cooldown from Torug's exacerbating the issue.
And I assume ZOS' answer for this in 3 months from now is to nerf all weapon enchants. Good job.
Though in honesty, it's time to reevaluate whether weapon enchats should really proc from skills and skill dots. It seems much more fair to have them proc only from actual heavy and light attacks, and perhaps increase the duation of them slightly, while also adressing the issue of dual wielders being able to double dip into enchants just by having 2 weapons on each bar. Making dual wield proc half as often would be a viable solution, and essentially make the enchants work as they do for all other weapons.
Edited by Carbonised on October 24, 2018 12:13PM6 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭Carbonised wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »Torugs is not the problem. It wasn't a problem in every single patch before Murkmire.
So...what changed?
Obviously it's the ridiculous way weapon enchants can now proc with less than one thumb. There is your culprit. Thank ZOS.
Indeed. Enchants aren't the problem, Torug's isnt. But the fact that you can now proc 2 x 2 weap enchants by doing nothing at all via weapon dots, with the increased strength and decreased cooldown from Torug's exacerbating the issue.
And I assume ZOS' answer for this in 3 months from now is to nerf all weapon enchants. Good job.
Though in honesty, it's time to reevaluate whether weapon enchats should really proc from skills and skill dots. It seems much more fair to have them proc only from actual heavy and light attacks, and perhaps increase the duation of them slightly, while also adressing the issue of dual wielders being able to double dip into enchants just by having 2 weapons on each bar. Making dual wield proc half as often would be a viable solution, and essentially make the enchants work as they do for all other weapons.
The double dip is what irks me. ZOS always goes out of their way to prevent any kind of Champion Point double dipping but they let the already top performing weapon line double dip on actual free damage procs. Like what?
The sad part is...LOOK AT THE PTS FORUMS. People have been calling out the enchants like mad. It's honestly just sad now really. RDR2 & BFV can't come soon enough.6 -
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✭✭nice job at pointing out the broken new meta for everyone to see...now every time I die like this (rarely anyway) in bgs your name shall be heard in my cursing rituals.10 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭OMG you have to wait 3 months with something absolutly broken??? Welcome to my world. Ive been unable to play my favorite playstyle for 3 months now thanks to a bug. They dont care how much you complain just get used to it.
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✭✭✭Using skills, you could kill anything with that, insta gib. Yay. At least it will be overkill on light armor and will get saved up for tanks, I hope.Fear is the Mindkiller0 -
mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Omg how utterly dreadful!!
...Yeah Im definitely running this to maximum cheese lmao not my fault its in the game and the combat team are totally incompetent6 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did we JUST killed PvP ? It was killed long time ago now it's just ghost of it appearing sometimes to scream in agony.16 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »nice job at pointing out the broken new meta for everyone to see...now every time I die like this (rarely anyway) in bgs your name shall be heard in my cursing rituals.
Yeah because it would be so hard to find it on YT during next 2 weeks...6 -
Revelzdevelz✭✭✭this was probably done by the same ppl who thought traders with no search function was a good idea14
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Numerikuu✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZoS: So what you're saying is we should nerf infused/torugs to make it useless again? Gotchya!
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Yes people do: Use rending slash on the backbar and go on the dual wield frontbar, where you weave the other two enchants in.
You don’t even have to. Rending slashes front bar deadly cloak back bar1 -
Valagash✭✭✭please explain the problem on the right side. this is only because of the 100% infused glyph procc. Which was reported on PTS but nobody cares about.
I would bet all my money that ZOS looks on Torug only... and not the main problem (as we know from all other beautiful sets/skills in the past)7 -
Zeromaz✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Oh wow, what a shock.. Instead of cutting DW enchant potency in half, watch ZOS completely destroy Torugs and Enchants as a whole.
You know. Becuase they never consider reverting the step too far.
Create a problem, use that problem as an excuse to destroy everything else.
..yes, I'm complaining about a buff, because I know the corresponding, heavy handed nerf is coming next.
Next DLC: Armor of the Atronach (craftable, all weights) 5 piece bonus absorbs enchantment effects, each absorbed effect grants 10 seconds of 5K crit resist, 2 second cooldown
Not really though. Probably.
That’ll be the bandaid fix for certain0 -
ScardyFox✭✭✭✭✭Been running into this nonsense half the day now... just wow. Forgive me for thinking this was exaggerated. This is some Grade A crapola. Well done ZoS in your relentless pursuit on lowering the bar when it comes to the game.4 -
generalmyrick✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have decided to share what just broke pvp in order to make everyone run it until ZOS fixes it.
Been running Trougs pact medium and heavy in pvp the last few days, you can mix it with viper and skoria for max cheese glass build, or with fury or seventh legion and blood spawn or troll kings for good sustain.
I use a infused vma axe on the back bar, as the stampede rush leaves a slow and a dot on the target that proc my enchant.
Front bar I have an infused axe and a infused dagger and use rending slashes, that will proc my enchants to.
Okey watch this.
My backbar has a 5350 damage shock enchant as it proc the extra damage off balance and so on .... every 1 sec
On my front bar I slot a disease enchant for ca 4500 and major defile and a ca 2500 oblivion damage enchant as it go through all shields.... every 1 sec.
So fare I have only run in to 1 class that can handle that kind of dots and that is a Templar as they can purge it.
Every other person I have fought in pvp died to enchants and bleeds only, I didn’t even need to use other skills, just stamped in that leaves a dot, then rending slashes and step back and watch people melt no matter how many heals or shields they throw out..
This needs a major chance and fast as pvp will die in days if this goes on... so I herby call for everyone to abuse it so hard that it breaks the game to a point where ZOS will have to change it if they want their game to be playable.
Kind regards Malleus.
Hit me up In game if you have questions.
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ive been working on a magicka version of this.
I'm going with sloads and torugs with back/dot bar disease enchant and front bar oblivion.
kinda cool how the notes ended up with my planning! hahahaaha
going to try to stick with 3 swifts on jewelry to stay out of gap closing range as best as possible and just distance troll in pvp. maybe swap out sloads with that one that double soul trap ability damage so i can use that ability."The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
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EPelite✭✭✭Been running into this nonsense half the day now... just wow. Forgive me for thinking this was exaggerated. This is some Grade A crapola. Well done ZoS in your relentless pursuit on lowering the bar when it comes to the game.
Yeeah I was not jokeing when I made the post, but do post some recaps if you can.
Let the world know.
MalleusEdited by EPelite on October 24, 2018 2:06PM0 -
SPE825✭✭✭
I'll just leave this here for reference.
Not even a nice hint in the recap to help me.
Here's the hint for you:
https://media.giphy.com/media/s1jJE4zTForZu/giphy.gif
Edited by SPE825 on October 24, 2018 2:44PM4 -
bpmachete✭✭✭This is complicated because there are scenarios in PvE where I care not if the enchants melts everything, but for PvP, Enchants should not proc off bleeds or ability DOTs and AOE. Seems fair, that it behaves differently towards players. If you want to take it off in all scenarios fine, but I see how the wall of elements not procing it might suck for PvEers... But for PvP bleeds, DOTs and AOE should not proc it. Only single target weapon abilities and initial hit of single target, and light and heavy attacks. If it's a heavy that hits more than one apply only to main target. Not sure if Spin to win procs this BS but that's why AOE should not proc it.
Lets see what they do. We have been saying about bleeds and how they are over performing, procing weapon enchants everything but, they don't listen. Spin to win counts as a melee attack which it's not... so many things we said it. Lets hope they understand now why.2 -
bpmachete✭✭✭By the way I agree Torugs not the problem. Hope they can see this. In general even without Torugs it sux to be hit by a weapon enchant when the weapon or its direct damage isn't hitting you.Edited by bpmachete on October 24, 2018 3:19PM1
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✭The recaps in BGs are stupid right now...and in cyrodiil. People take advantage of broken systems and turn the pvp experience into a negative one. Its dumb right now. This garbage with DW enchants needs to be addressed. In fact, while on my soapbox, all this passive dmg garbage needs to be addressed (proc sets etc)6 -
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4 weapons.Minalan owes me a beer.
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