Bloodthirst (Flurry Morph), how do you feel?

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

This skill is the upgrade of the dual wield base skill that heals you after hitting the final stroke.

This is the second skill i need assistance on gathering opinions on, for my "worst skills" list. If receiving positive to mixed views it may not make the list due to public opinion. This is NOT about me. This is about the community.

Cillion3117 · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

I use it on my stamblade. You heal yourself while still doing damage. Win win.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

Cillion3117 wrote: »

I use it on my stamblade. You heal yourself while still doing damage. Win win.

Neat! I am just collecting opinions and refraining from using my own.

GreenHere · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

The damage boost from Rapid Strikes is nice, but only if I'm alive to benefit from it. Bloodthirst is usually my go-to, since it keeps me vertical longer.

My opinion comes from a place where I'm often soloing stuff or in a group with almost no outside heals, so take it with a grain of salt. If Bloodthrist didn't do what it does, I'd need to spend stam on Vigor or similar more often; which is not ideal.

GreenHere · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Also, if you'll allow the criticism, I don't think the "The skill is / is not fine" format is the way to go. You're asking people to pass a somewhat ultimate judgement on a skill's worth with wording like that, while what I get the impression you really want to know is if people use the morph at all, and/or if they think it needs improvements. Which sounds like the same thing, now that I type it out... I'm not articulating it well, but I wouldn't be surprised if others feel similarly and are a little reluctant to answer based on the phrasing.

I like what you're doing, and would like to see more participation from the community at large on stuff like this.

JamieAubrey · October 2018

I run it on my heal dot Stam Sorc build, No trouble with it yet

GreenHere · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I run it on my heal dot Stam Sorc build, No trouble with it yet

Really? Stam Sorc is the one class I took Rapid Strikes on, due to Crit Surge. Interesting...

How do you like that combo @JamieAubrey ? Are the extra heals from Bloodthirst noticeably helpful? Or do you not run Surge in the first place?

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

GreenHere wrote: »

Also, if you'll allow the criticism, I don't think the "The skill is / is not fine" format is the way to go. You're asking people to pass a somewhat ultimate judgement on a skill's worth with wording like that, while what I get the impression you really want to know is if people use the morph at all, and/or if they think it needs improvements. Which sounds like the same thing, now that I type it out... I'm not articulating it well, but I wouldn't be surprised if others feel similarly and are a little reluctant to answer based on the phrasing.

I like what you're doing, and would like to see more participation from the community at large on stuff like this.

I just don't know what else i would say is all.

ccfeeling · October 2018

This skill is not fine, (please state why)

Live
Flood an enemy with steel, battering them with five consecutive attacks that each deal [243 / 245 / 249 / 251] Physical Damage. The final hit deals 300% more damage and heals you for 60% of the damage caused.

I would like it morph to below
Flood an enemy with steel, battering them with five consecutive attacks that each deal [243 / 245 / 249 / 251] Physical Damage. The final hit deals 300% more damage and each hit heals you for 12% of the damage caused.

ArchMikem · October 2018

GreenHere wrote: »

The damage boost from Rapid Strikes is nice, but only if I'm alive to benefit from it. Bloodthirst is usually my go-to, since it keeps me vertical longer.

My opinion comes from a place where I'm often soloing stuff or in a group with almost no outside heals, so take it with a grain of salt. If Bloodthrist didn't do what it does, I'd need to spend stam on Vigor or similar more often; which is not ideal.

The bonus damage is so miniscule that youre not losing much at all when using Bloodthirst, which for those lacking in the staying alive dept is a really helpful skill.

therift · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

It's a great skill. I slot on stamplar and stamblade in PvP and PvE.

~ Five strikes in less than one second.
~ Cheap enough to spam
~ Final strike hits for triple damage
~ Each strike can crit
~ Significant heal
~ Will fully proc progressive sets like Twice-Fanged Serpent
~ Will proc DoT triggered sets like Valkyn Skoria
~ Five commonly used Champion Points buff this skill

Many of the above also apply to Rapid Strikes, but the value of the heal alone makes this morph superior for most applications. Rapid Strikes would have to deal significantly more damage, or perhaps have the damage of the final strike scale as an execute before I would consider slotting it.

Solariken · October 2018

This skill is not fine, (please state why)

It does less DPS than Steel Tornado (undodgeable AOE with huge radius and execute scaling). So no, it's not fine. Please buff.

TBois · October 2018

This skill is not fine, (please state why)

It needs to proc melee damage required sets (a chance for all of the hits during the channel). Similar to templar jabs proccing ravager

ImmortalCX · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

When health is getting low, you lean on this skill and use it to recharge.

Combined with heals from Briarheart it can allow you to be somewhat tanky.

Its a really well balanced skill.

FrancisCrawford · October 2018

It's an essential skill for a non-warden stamina character who hasn't unlocked Vigor.

I didn't answer your poll since the options didn't seem to match your stated purpose for starting the thread.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Solariken wrote: »

It does less DPS than Steel Tornado (undodgeable AOE with huge radius and execute scaling). So no, it's not fine. Please buff.

This is just wrong. All five hits from bloodthirst amount to about 75% more damage then steel tornado. So the only time steel tornado would hit for more is if the enemy had less then 25% health, just about like every other spammable vs execute the game.

ccfeeling wrote: »

Live
Flood an enemy with steel, battering them with five consecutive attacks that each deal [243 / 245 / 249 / 251] Physical Damage. The final hit deals 300% more damage and heals you for 60% of the damage caused.

I would like it morph to below
Flood an enemy with steel, battering them with five consecutive attacks that each deal [243 / 245 / 249 / 251] Physical Damage. The final hit deals 300% more damage and each hit heals you for 12% of the damage caused.

I would be in favor of this change though, same amount of healing but faster is better.

Minyassa · October 2018

This skill is not fine, (please state why)

I don't feel like it does enough healing. For a DD I can't really afford a slot for a self-heal that isn't something I'll use a lot in my regular rotation.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

Looking at my results, i have decided to take this skill off the list! thank you for your community feedback!

MaleAmazon · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

I prefer it on my DW characters, partly because... I just like the name and effect.

I love using it in conjunction with sunderflame in a heavy attack weave. Sunderflame is an amazing set for heavy attack weaves when soloing since they boosted the flame damage through the roof (mine does 5120 damage on the tooltip and that´s not on a DK flame DW build). Minor fracture is also kind of hard to get otherwise. Bloodthirst is also great for kiting the crematorial guard in vMA. Combine it with vigor and you have a synergistic effect of more stamina -> more damage -> more heal.

You do need to know how to weave though since it won´t proc melee. But if you know how to weave it is a really fast skill and so your light or heavy attacks can do the procing.

And since it seems DW enchantments will be better in Murkmire this is one skill to look to. Quite frankly I find it superb, the only reason I don´t use it that much is that my DW character is a werewolf and rips enemies and furniture alike with her claws instead. But it was essential on my first stamwarden vMA clear.

Crixus8000 · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

I pressed the wrong one lol. I don't think the skill is fine because it for some reason doesn't count as melee damage, doesn't proc sets and I'm pretty sure it doesn't work with things like imperials red diamond passive. It's clearly a melee skill, it should count as such.

JamieAubrey · October 2018

GreenHere wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I run it on my heal dot Stam Sorc build, No trouble with it yet

Really? Stam Sorc is the one class I took Rapid Strikes on, due to Crit Surge. Interesting...

How do you like that combo @JamieAubrey ? Are the extra heals from Bloodthirst noticeably helpful? Or do you not run Surge in the first place?

I dont have a need to run surge, I get heals from Bloodthirst on my DW bar and then the knockback skill from Bow ( forget the name ) those along keep me topped up, and if I end up in trouble 2 streaks and dark deal

Solariken · October 2018

This skill is not fine, (please state why)

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO you can do the test yourself, which I already have. Do a dummy parse using nothing but LA + Bloodthirst and then another with LA + Steel Tornado, and then come back to apologise.

Sparr0w · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

But personally I would never use it.

Joosef_Kivikilpi · October 2018

This skill is not fine, (please state why)

NVM. I was thinking of the Rending Slash skill morph of healing. Bloodthirst is aight.

paulsimonps · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Use it and blood craze on my stam sorc, add surge too that as well and hella heal. Really great for solo stuff like vMSA or overworld and to solo 4 man dungeons for fast runs, works pretty good in PvP too but that as well cause you know, PvP.

Danksta · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

I think it's more useful than the other morph. I might use Bloodthirst in vMA on a stam DK but I can't think of anywhere I'd the other morph.

Bigevilpeter · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

back when i used to use flurry in general, that was my go to morph, didnt have to equip self healing and it was great in vma

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Solariken wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO you can do the test yourself, which I already have. Do a dummy parse using nothing but LA + Bloodthirst and then another with LA + Steel Tornado, and then come back to apologise.

yeah not seeing it. also, why would i light attack, we are just testing the skills right?

my base stats for steel tornado and blood thirst on my stamblade, not using buffs or stat changing sets.

as i said, base stats, blood thirst is around 75% more power then steel tornado, in my case it is 77% more probably because i have more into thaumaturge then master at arms, as 1279*4 =5116 and then 1279*300% is 3837 and together that is 8953 and as you can see,. steel tornado is 5049, so 8953/5049 is 1.77.

i did 2 parse, basically using syphon attacks, pots and then regen food to make the parse last as long as it could. i then spammed both skills till i was out of stam. this are the results. keep in mind, i did the steel tornado after the blood thirst, so there is some scaling from the execute.

steel tornado-

bloodthirst

not only could i spam bloodthirst longer, it did more average dps. look at nex to the max, average for blood thirst is 1950, which you have to multiply by 5 hits, to get 9750, to steel tornadoes 6673. i was able to cast blood thirst 51 times before going out of stam and steel tornado only 35.

if you have different evidence, i would like to see it.

GreenHere · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

JamieAubrey wrote: »

GreenHere wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I run it on my heal dot Stam Sorc build, No trouble with it yet

Really? Stam Sorc is the one class I took Rapid Strikes on, due to Crit Surge. Interesting...

How do you like that combo @JamieAubrey ? Are the extra heals from Bloodthirst noticeably helpful? Or do you not run Surge in the first place?

I dont have a need to run surge, I get heals from Bloodthirst on my DW bar and then the knockback skill from Bow ( forget the name ) those along keep me topped up, and if I end up in trouble 2 streaks and dark deal

Neat, thanks for the response!

neverwalk · October 2018

BT is single target damage and used on single target until adds join in and then ST- ( AOE ) them down until just single target again then back to BT until dead. NO?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

neverwalk wrote: »

BT is single target damage and used on single target until adds join in and then ST- ( AOE ) them down until just single target again then back to BT until dead. NO?

if by the NO? at the end you are asking if that is the way they ought to be used, yes, yes that is the idea but that is not what @Solariken said, he said,

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Solariken wrote: »

It does less DPS than Steel Tornado (undodgeable AOE with huge radius and execute scaling). So no, it's not fine. Please buff.

and

Solariken wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO you can do the test yourself, which I already have. Do a dummy parse using nothing but LA + Bloodthirst and then another with LA + Steel Tornado, and then come back to apologise.

so i obliged.

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