LiberatorSam wrote: »

If you want to join the top dog group you need to be performing at all times, what is so hard to understand? If you don’t want the pressure or want a more relaxing environment then drop a tier, there are plenty of guilds that are only opting for a clear and not score/achievements. I was invited into a end game score group but I declined it because my internet is unstable and high ping. I joined a progression guild and helping them thru vHoF right now. If you can’t perform at a level your guild expects then find one that has a lower expectation.

I agree with this but when you join a guild that promises to help you but completely ignores you ridicules you and then starts measuring e peens because of how hard they hit a unmoving object that doesn’t fight back there is a problem especially when it’s not just the high end guilds this toxic feeling has seeped down into a lot of medium to low tier pve guilds on PS4 where people new to the pve scene should go to dip their toes into the water.

Mintaka5 wrote: »

Trial guilds are filled with self-righteous, condescending, passive-aggressive, selfish people. I gave trials a try last year, and every time I see a call in zone for a trial group, I just SMH. I wish they would implement a trials queue like the one we have for dungeons. FFXIV and BDO do it, and trials are a much better experience on those MMOs. There are no elitists blacklisting players who don't run god-mode builds, and the community is very helpful in helping players get better while in the trials. In ESO I got into guilds that said they were progressive guilds, but really they were just a bunch of elitist end-gamers who expect too much.

A really good story I have is a player offered an invite to some elite trial guild. The condition was I needed to pass a test set by the GM (yes there was a test in a video game). So he invited us to group, one healer, me as DPS, and GM as tank. The trial was Spindleclutch 2, and the test was burning down Bloodspawn by myself. Now I could burst 30K dps, sustained was about 15-20K, and got the boss down to 20% health, but we wiped due to the rock slides. That was it. No trial guild invite for me.

This is what this game has been brought down to the low level of players justifying who can and cannot run content that should be available to all. The only things that should control this are the mechanics of the game, and the developers who create it. If you're an elitist player like this, you are ruining gaming.

If you are a non elitist player (your terminology) and expect 11 other people to carry you because you don't want to improve then I hate to break it to you but YOU are the one ruining gaming.

Go make a raid guild for folks who can only pull 20k dps and go see how fun even non hm vAA will be. Crying because a raid guild wouldn't invite you because you couldn't hit their standards is not very nice. In fact, I love how on these forums you always hear folks whine and cry about these elitist players. Constantly. Every day. Every other thread. Ooh those pesky elitists.

Know what? I've seen more casual folks bash and rag on elitists than I've seen "elitsts" put down casual players. There's way more hostility from you casual folks than there is from these so called elitists. Need to start reporting every single post where someone uses elitist in a bashing manner. Just ridiculous.

Or better yet, there are a plethora of guilds out there that will accept you and teach you how to become better. You can NOT fault a guild for setting expectations and then complain you can't meet them. A lil practice with some patience and a good attitude and I swear to God you would be able to do what it takes. It's easier than you think. I believe in you!

Couldn't be around what? I dont understand from your post what was wrong. Did they say profanity words all the time? or did they not like his outfits? did they talk 9 year olds?

The problem with "hard mode and current content raiding" is that it's not so easy to take it easy.

As a former Wow raid lead I tried to keep things light, but at a certain point you realize that either someone is going to change what they are doing or get changed for someone else. There is no nice way to do it, not really.

At a certain point, all these games try to turn things hardcore. Encounters that requires exacting dps, exacting positioning and little room for error do not make for a fun game. As such, people that choose to do them become a bit aggressive regarding the encounter (and performance in them) or regarding personnel.

Toxicity in high end performance driven guilds is usually high and always has been (over many many a game).

World firsts and "records" seem to be what the developers push as the actual endgame. It's a short sighted approach and likely the opposite of what they are trying to achieve. The key thing is always fun for the most players, it's a game... those that treat it like more than a game should never be catered to, they should be driven from it, mostly because they never help the game and only hurt it.

I had more fun on bsing Karazhan runs (where if you didn't have the right make up for certain bosses, you could choose to just not do them... no big thing) than competitive server first raiding.

The point, is that nothing you achieve in a game means anything past it being a game. Once it moves past being fun and into a new darker territory it's not worth your time (it's actually the detriment to your time and life). The people pushing for server firsts and records have fun at the expense of others, that's their only joy... because playing a game like they do isn't fun, only achieving over others is fun.

The litmus test is always "am I having fun" and that's it. If you aren't, don't do it. If you are, keep at it. There's no inbetween.

Astrid_V wrote: »

People like above are just too sensitive to play MMO. They don't accept any critique or advice from other players regarding their gameplay. Someone will tell them nicely: "try to improve your dps" and they will get immediately sad or angry, and then they run to the forums to complain how badly they were treated by these end game players.

I play this game for over 2 years, and I'm doing end game PvE content all the time. I played with many groups and guilds during that time and I never been a victim of toxic behavior about the way I play.

My advice? Relax and listen to others. Don't be so sensitive. Not every person who says something about your performance in PvE is toxic and tries to make you feel bad. And some people just try to show you the right direction, even if they do it in not really good way.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Yeah I'm sorry I've never seen anybody just be like "try to improve your dps" It's almost always. Who the F let the Fing NOOB in. Pick it up worthless piece of SH** scrub

It was interesting.

I was doing Vet Diefrost (not the hardest content in the world, but I'm relatively new to tanking, and was just starting to feel comfortable in my "new shoes". Playing on Skype with my bestie, and with a person we had the good fortune to met up with a few times (he's in another country in a time zone 4 hours off from us, so there is a decent amount of overlap we can play semi-regularly together.

The three of us were on Skype, doing dungeons (the Direfrost was the last of 3, and I think the first or second vet). We were looking for some particular bit of equipment - probably a ring - I think that's why we did it vet.

Another DPS joins us and is kind of a jerk in chat, about how we are all too slow, and this and that. Runs ahead and solos one of the bosses, and I was irritated and told him so in chat; that just lost us a chance for a ring drop, and don't do that.

Meanwhile in chat I'm mentioning that I'm a little frustrated that my CC break doesn't seem to be working well; I pause and bind it to yet another button and we keep going.

Final annoying-as-you-know-what Boss, who is a royal pain in the everything to keep taunted - I was alternating the S&B taunt and the distance one, and occasionally throwing in silver least (Templar Tank) because quite often that works as a soft taunt. Anyway, she kept doing the "draining health" thing on me, and in skype I was probably a bit (well certainly a bit) creative in my cussing about how my CC break wasn't working well, and what I would taunt her with if It was anatomically possible.

And the two I've been gaming with were all "it's cool, she just dies a little more slowly".

Meanwhile in between various damage, loudmouth DPS is whining about how the lousy tank can't hold a taunt, and how I should just "hit your CC break you [cussin] NEWB" (now frankly, I'm not sure how a person has time to do all that and keep up a good rotation - or maybe that was part of why it was taking so long - all type and no combat when the chips are down).

Annoying fight, but finally it's over, and with a last "Ta ta L2P newb" DPS is off on his/her/their merry way.

My point is - if things look like they are not going well from your side - it may be because - wait for it ....

They actually aren't going well.

I can agree on that, because I have fun working out what I need to do to Improve my character to be able to do all sorts of things, eventually I may be able to do trials and other content within the eso universe, and when I am not, I just grab a nice mug of the finest Nordic mead and chill in a tavern or that nice orcish bath house in wrothgar as I contemplate my next move.

Latios wrote: »

I haven't been in high end guilds for a long time now. Don't want to deal with those big egos anymore.

Lmfao big ESO egos?
They're not even streamers, ESO isn't even a game like Fortnite where there's competitive money (in the millions) involved.

There's no eSports for ESO, no money and the top streamers are on like 1-2k viewers average whereas other games on 40k+

But these people completed a few trials and now they have an ego? Hahah you can't write it on the internet.


If you're one of these toxic people reading this, you're a loser who hasn't made a dime from ESO. You're no a pro gamer and you'd get eaten alive in other toxic gaming communities so calm down as you know ESO is generally a nice place. Stop taking advantage of good humble people who just want to have fun.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

People like above are just too sensitive to play MMO. They don't accept any critique or advice from other players regarding their gameplay. Someone will tell them nicely: "try to improve your dps" and they will get immediately sad or angry, and then they run to the forums to complain how badly they were treated by these end game players.

I play this game for over 2 years, and I'm doing end game PvE content all the time. I played with many groups and guilds during that time and I never been a victim of toxic behavior about the way I play.

My advice? Relax and listen to others. Don't be so sensitive. Not every person who says something about your performance in PvE is toxic and tries to make you feel bad. And some people just try to show you the right direction, even if they do it in not really good way.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Yeah I'm sorry I've never seen anybody just be like "try to improve your dps" It's almost always. Who the F let the Fing NOOB in. Pick it up worthless piece of SH** scrub

It was interesting.

I was doing Vet Diefrost (not the hardest content in the world, but I'm relatively new to tanking, and was just starting to feel comfortable in my "new shoes". Playing on Skype with my bestie, and with a person we had the good fortune to met up with a few times (he's in another country in a time zone 4 hours off from us, so there is a decent amount of overlap we can play semi-regularly together.

The three of us were on Skype, doing dungeons (the Direfrost was the last of 3, and I think the first or second vet). We were looking for some particular bit of equipment - probably a ring - I think that's why we did it vet.

Another DPS joins us and is kind of a jerk in chat, about how we are all too slow, and this and that. Runs ahead and solos one of the bosses, and I was irritated and told him so in chat; that just lost us a chance for a ring drop, and don't do that.

Meanwhile in chat I'm mentioning that I'm a little frustrated that my CC break doesn't seem to be working well; I pause and bind it to yet another button and we keep going.

Final annoying-as-you-know-what Boss, who is a royal pain in the everything to keep taunted - I was alternating the S&B taunt and the distance one, and occasionally throwing in silver least (Templar Tank) because quite often that works as a soft taunt. Anyway, she kept doing the "draining health" thing on me, and in skype I was probably a bit (well certainly a bit) creative in my cussing about how my CC break wasn't working well, and what I would taunt her with if It was anatomically possible.

And the two I've been gaming with were all "it's cool, she just dies a little more slowly".

Meanwhile in between various damage, loudmouth DPS is whining about how the lousy tank can't hold a taunt, and how I should just "hit your CC break you [cussin] NEWB" (now frankly, I'm not sure how a person has time to do all that and keep up a good rotation - or maybe that was part of why it was taking so long - all type and no combat when the chips are down).

Annoying fight, but finally it's over, and with a last "Ta ta L2P newb" DPS is off on his/her/their merry way.

My point is - if things look like they are not going well from your side - it may be because - wait for it ....

They actually aren't going well.

The tank is worthless in this fight except to debuff. You can't hold aggro on her, it's a mechanic...or a really really really old bug lol.

Toxicity is eso is at an all time high, and would agree with the ps4 comments. Ps4 is beyond a joke toxic.
Is it the community on that platform or is it the lack of content causing this? Hard to say.

High end pve tends to be highly competitive, toxic, and stressing. I know this from my 10 year run in WoW. It has been almost a year since started playing ESO and i haven't done a trial yet, nor do i intend to.

I've been there been in a guild which ran hgih end pve content and i joined a run (vSO) so it went pretty well until the last boss when they decided to make it hard mode.

of course i sucked (it was my first ever vTrial) and they kept jelling at me, and became pretty personal. so i quit the trial and told myself never to do vtrials again...so after a while i joined a nice guild on XboxEu and they started with progression groups and currently we are tackling vMol we aren't the best Trials guild but it is always fun to join a run with these guys

Don't let yourself get down because of some *** "elitists".

This..

Lokirules wrote: »

PS4s Raiding community was gutted after Morrowind and a good chunk of the people who stayed were the hardcore elitists who demand perfection from people. There are still players in the community who are great and try to help out others but they are now the minority. Been in 8 trials guilds and 6 of them were terrible places to be. It was at that time I gave up and pve and became an 80 percent Pvp player. I still pve but it’s with pvp players who don’t demand that perfection we do end up taking longer on dungeons and trials sometimes but we have fun while doing it

Also how much is the toxicity due to poor server performance making playing at a high level almost impossible, plus the seeming neglect of quality of life upgrades by the developers?