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✭✭✭✭✭There are certainly toxic people in the game (in all facets, pve, pvp, housing, merchants, everything). Just as there are toxic people you will meet in real life. You will work with toxic people, have friends that turn toxic, date people who are toxic. Learning to deal with the OCCASIONAL toxicity from people in your life is an important skill to learn, because you WILL deal with it.
totally agree, but from my experience ingame you will always find more toxic people because they are hiding themselves behind the mask of anonymity aka hiding behind their nickname.
Agreed, anonymity seems to breed greater levels of toxicity.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger70,730 achievement points2 -
qbit✭✭✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »As I expected, most of the comments here are like: "yeah, that's why I do RP/housing, because raiding guilds are so toxic!!!!111oneone"
The truth is, not really.
People like above are just too sensitive to play MMO. They don't accept any critique or advice from other players regarding their gameplay. Someone will tell them nicely: "try to improve your dps" and they will get immediately sad or angry, and then they run to the forums to complain how badly they were treated by these end game players.
I play this game for over 2 years, and I'm doing end game PvE content all the time. I played with many groups and guilds during that time and I never been a victim of toxic behavior about the way I play.
My advice? Relax and listen to others. Don't be so sensitive. Not every person who says something about your performance in PvE is toxic and tries to make you feel bad. And some people just try to show you the right direction, even if they do it in not really good way.
Yeah I'm sorry I've never seen anybody just be like "try to improve your dps" It's almost always. Who the F let the Fing NOOB in. Pick it up worthless piece of SH** scrub
Lol dudes that define their competence in life at being good at a trial in an MMO that isn’t even the most popular one. So fun to call those dudes like you describe out on their BS. Then you get kicked from the guild. 🤷♂️1 -
Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭Trial guilds are filled with self-righteous, condescending, passive-aggressive, selfish people. I gave trials a try last year, and every time I see a call in zone for a trial group, I just SMH. I wish they would implement a trials queue like the one we have for dungeons. FFXIV and BDO do it, and trials are a much better experience on those MMOs. There are no elitists blacklisting players who don't run god-mode builds, and the community is very helpful in helping players get better while in the trials. In ESO I got into guilds that said they were progressive guilds, but really they were just a bunch of elitist end-gamers who expect too much.
A really good story I have is a player offered an invite to some elite trial guild. The condition was I needed to pass a test set by the GM (yes there was a test in a video game). So he invited us to group, one healer, me as DPS, and GM as tank. The trial was Spindleclutch 2, and the test was burning down Bloodspawn by myself. Now I could burst 30K dps, sustained was about 15-20K, and got the boss down to 20% health, but we wiped due to the rock slides. That was it. No trial guild invite for me.
This is what this game has been brought down to the low level of players justifying who can and cannot run content that should be available to all. The only things that should control this are the mechanics of the game, and the developers who create it. If you're an elitist player like this, you are ruining gaming.Edited by Mintaka5 on October 18, 2018 6:39PM8 -
qbit✭✭✭✭✭Toxic folk like this thread describe seem to devote much of their life to ESO. One can get back at them by making them feel as inadequate and unsuccessful human beings for it. Using the right words. But then you’re not much better than they are. And you’ll get the boot from their guild. Good riddance, I say.5
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Hurtfan✭✭✭✭✭This is why I tend to stay away from the high level end game content. It's the same in all games. Most of the time they take it WAY too seriously and freak out at the slightest thing making the whole experience miserable. No thanks. Then of course they constantly cry because they can't keep enough members to have a stable roster. LOL gee I wonder why!
I walked away from a Mythic Raid progression guild in WoW because of that attitude. They were rude, insulting, overly demanding, and unreasonable, as most progression guilds are. The final straw for me was when I told them I couldn't make raid night when we were pushing progression because WE WERE HAVING MY MOTHERS FUNERAL THAT DAY and I would not feel up to raiding that night. They went ballistic lecturing me on "loyalty" and "responsibility" and calling me all sorts of names telling me I needed to "get my priorities straight". I /gquit on the spot and haven't touched high level end game content since nor am I likely to ever again.
I think I speak for those that have been in your shoes, this blows my little mind. Very crappy of them <---- is a gigantic understatement.For the Pact!Keyboard not found, press any key to continue5 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Trial guilds are filled with self-righteous, condescending, passive-aggressive, selfish people. I gave trials a try last year, and every time I see a call in zone for a trial group, I just SMH. I wish they would implement a trials queue like the one we have for dungeons. FFXIV and BDO do it, and trials are a much better experience on those MMOs. There are no elitists blacklisting players who don't run god-mode builds, and the community is very helpful in helping players get better while in the trials. In ESO I got into guilds that said they were progressive guilds, but really they were just a bunch of elitist end-gamers who expect too much.
A really good story I have is a player offered an invite to some elite trial guild. The condition was I needed to pass a test set by the GM (yes there was a test in a video game). So he invited us to group, one healer, me as DPS, and GM as tank. The trial was Spindleclutch 2, and the test was burning down Bloodspawn by myself. Now I could burst 30K dps, sustained was about 15-20K, and got the boss down to 20% health, but we wiped due to the rock slides. That was it. No trial guild invite for me.
This is what this game has been brought down to the low level of players justifying who can and cannot run content that should be available to all. The only things that should control this are the mechanics of the game, and the developers who create it. If you're an elitist player like this, you are ruining gaming.
If you can't sustain more than 20k then well...I hate to break it to you but you wouldnt even be able to complete a raid.
As for the other games, the fact that you think those games are Utopia when they are just as bad if not worse really says something about the rose-colored glasses you're wearing.
The solution is simple. Improve upon yourself. Aim for 30k DPS if you want to do raids. 20k is fine for dungeons, though, so if you want to stay casual (and that is not derogatory, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a casual) then by all means stay casual.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake4 -
Styxiii✭✭✭I feel ya OP trial guilds NA are so bad and toxic I left pve all together to go to pvp, all you would hear in discord is others bad mouthing other players and saying they will blaklist them from every pve end game trial guild cause they dont like that individual, hell they even hate cause someone cause they arent crazy dps like tem its horrible.2 -
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✭✭The PS4 community is the absolute definition of toxic. Never again will I be anywhere close to those people.
My end game trial and PvP raiding groups on PC are just amazing. I love those guys.
I bet Xbox would fight you for the top spot. I left Xbox for PC and found it to be so much better. There are a ton of toxic players on PC, don't misunderstand me. But I will never forget the first time I entered the PC NA world on a brand new character (no CPs, no crafted gear, nothing). I announced in zone chat that I was new from xbox--expecting the usual toxic blather. I received several welcomes and offers of assistance. In FG 1 (my first dungeon run on PC), I apologized in advance for what would be a lower DPS due to a lack of CPs, explaining that I had just come over to PC. No one complained or voted to kick. One group member said, "No worries. You made the right decision."
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Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭
If you can't sustain more than 20k then well...I hate to break it to you but you wouldnt even be able to complete a raid.
As for the other games, the fact that you think those games are Utopia when they are just as bad if not worse really says something about the rose-colored glasses you're wearing.
The solution is simple. Improve upon yourself. Aim for 30k DPS if you want to do raids. 20k is fine for dungeons, though, so if you want to stay casual (and that is not derogatory, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a casual) then by all means stay casual.
I'd hate to break it to you, but before I could do 30k DPS, I was running vet trials with only 10K sustained DPS. No one even knew.
It's not about being a certain build or how powerful I am, but more about other players excluding players from content that does not require the overwhelming amount of skills it takes to do vet trials. I knew DPSs that could run >40K DPS, yet they died all of the time, because they failed at strategy, and mechanics. You know how much DPS a 40K sustained DPS can do when dead? ZERO!!! Not only this the other DPSs have to stop what they're supposed to be doing (damage) to rez your dead ass.
There's more than one way to improve yourself.
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
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If you can't sustain more than 20k then well...I hate to break it to you but you wouldnt even be able to complete a raid.
As for the other games, the fact that you think those games are Utopia when they are just as bad if not worse really says something about the rose-colored glasses you're wearing.
The solution is simple. Improve upon yourself. Aim for 30k DPS if you want to do raids. 20k is fine for dungeons, though, so if you want to stay casual (and that is not derogatory, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a casual) then by all means stay casual.
I'd hate to break it to you, but before I could do 30k DPS, I was running vet trials with only 10K sustained DPS. No one even knew.
It's not about being a certain build or how powerful I am, but more about other players excluding players from content that does not require the overwhelming amount of skills it takes to do vet trials. I knew DPSs that could run >40K DPS, yet they died all of the time, because they failed at strategy, and mechanics. You know how much DPS a 40K sustained DPS can do when dead? ZERO!!! Not only this the other DPSs have to stop what they're supposed to be doing (damage) to rez your dead ass.
There's more than one way to improve yourself.
If they died a lot they did not do 40k DPS, so I fail to see how your anecdote is true in the slightest.
In fact, people do high DPS usually because they can do the mechanics well and not die.
Learning the mechanics and how your rotation fits into the mechanics is a part of growing as a player.
If you do no DPS (or >=15k) but execute the mechanics perfectly you're still dead weight. You're just dead weight that no one has to res.
And people don't like dead weight. Most people are happy to help you learn, but they're not willing to let you into their core group. The idea is to improve enough to get into the core group most of the time.
TL;DR mechanics, living, and DPS are not mutually exclusive...a good player, the type of player most groups want, does all 3 at the same time. People will help you, they just won't give you a spot in their group simply because you exist and want to join.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake8 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Trial guilds are filled with self-righteous, condescending, passive-aggressive, selfish people. I gave trials a try last year, and every time I see a call in zone for a trial group, I just SMH. I wish they would implement a trials queue like the one we have for dungeons. FFXIV and BDO do it, and trials are a much better experience on those MMOs. There are no elitists blacklisting players who don't run god-mode builds, and the community is very helpful in helping players get better while in the trials. In ESO I got into guilds that said they were progressive guilds, but really they were just a bunch of elitist end-gamers who expect too much.
A really good story I have is a player offered an invite to some elite trial guild. The condition was I needed to pass a test set by the GM (yes there was a test in a video game). So he invited us to group, one healer, me as DPS, and GM as tank. The trial was Spindleclutch 2, and the test was burning down Bloodspawn by myself. Now I could burst 30K dps, sustained was about 15-20K, and got the boss down to 20% health, but we wiped due to the rock slides. That was it. No trial guild invite for me.
This is what this game has been brought down to the low level of players justifying who can and cannot run content that should be available to all. The only things that should control this are the mechanics of the game, and the developers who create it. If you're an elitist player like this, you are ruining gaming.
Before group finder was fixed dungeons in ESO shared similar issues.2 -
ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭I walked away from a Mythic Raid progression guild in WoW because of that attitude. They were rude, insulting, overly demanding, and unreasonable, as most progression guilds are. The final straw for me was when I told them I couldn't make raid night when we were pushing progression because WE WERE HAVING MY MOTHERS FUNERAL THAT DAY and I would not feel up to raiding that night. They went ballistic lecturing me on "loyalty" and "responsibility" and calling me all sorts of names telling me I needed to "get my priorities straight". I /gquit on the spot and haven't touched high level end game content since nor am I likely to ever again.
that must have been the fastest /gquit in the history of gquits ... thats just disgusting demanding such a thing after a misfortunate event.
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Proof that all of them came from consoles?Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.
"You F'ing useless waste of space are you F'ing blind" really sounds like constructive criticism
Not all raid groups are like this but I've seen/heard my fair few when joining to help out if someone needed another member.
from what ive seen in this topic so far all the toxicity complaints are comming from console, i just wonder why.
if anyone ever attacked anyone of my raidteam more than once, instant guildkick.
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Proof that all of them came from consoles?Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.
"You F'ing useless waste of space are you F'ing blind" really sounds like constructive criticism
Not all raid groups are like this but I've seen/heard my fair few when joining to help out if someone needed another member.
from what ive seen in this topic so far all the toxicity complaints are comming from console, i just wonder why.
if anyone ever attacked anyone of my raidteam more than once, instant guildkick.
It's an anecdote. Anecdotal evidence is not reliable, but is at least valid to the person stating the anecdote and usually cannot be proven.
I have never experienced toxicity within the PC player base...this obviously does not mean that the PC player base does not have toxic players. I just can't prove that it does.Edited by Valrien on October 18, 2018 7:34PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
Reistr_the_Unbroken✭✭✭✭✭
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Oooh okay. I misread your post and got a bit confused because I hadn’t seen anyone being toxic, but then again I’m not in trials, dungeons and barely use the chats.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Proof that all of them came from consoles?Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.
"You F'ing useless waste of space are you F'ing blind" really sounds like constructive criticism
Not all raid groups are like this but I've seen/heard my fair few when joining to help out if someone needed another member.
from what ive seen in this topic so far all the toxicity complaints are comming from console, i just wonder why.
if anyone ever attacked anyone of my raidteam more than once, instant guildkick.
It's an anecdote. Anecdotal evidence is not reliable, but is at least valid to the person stating the anecdote and usually cannot be proven.
I have never experienced toxicity within the PC player base...this obviously does not mean that the PC player base does not have toxic players. I just can't prove that it does.0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Oooh okay. I misread your post and got a bit confused because I hadn’t seen anyone being toxic, but then again I’m not in trials, dungeons and barely use the chats.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Proof that all of them came from consoles?Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.
"You F'ing useless waste of space are you F'ing blind" really sounds like constructive criticism
Not all raid groups are like this but I've seen/heard my fair few when joining to help out if someone needed another member.
from what ive seen in this topic so far all the toxicity complaints are comming from console, i just wonder why.
if anyone ever attacked anyone of my raidteam more than once, instant guildkick.
It's an anecdote. Anecdotal evidence is not reliable, but is at least valid to the person stating the anecdote and usually cannot be proven.
I have never experienced toxicity within the PC player base...this obviously does not mean that the PC player base does not have toxic players. I just can't prove that it does.
Not my post, I was just explaining that just because you cannot prove something it does not necessarily invalidate the claim (though in a proper debate burden of proof normally is on the shoulders of someone making a claim).
Of course in a proper debate you will also not be speaking in anecdotes lolValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
adeptusminor✭✭✭✭Trial guilds are filled with self-righteous, condescending, passive-aggressive, selfish people. I gave trials a try last year, and every time I see a call in zone for a trial group, I just SMH. I wish they would implement a trials queue like the one we have for dungeons. FFXIV and BDO do it, and trials are a much better experience on those MMOs. There are no elitists blacklisting players who don't run god-mode builds, and the community is very helpful in helping players get better while in the trials. In ESO I got into guilds that said they were progressive guilds, but really they were just a bunch of elitist end-gamers who expect too much.
A really good story I have is a player offered an invite to some elite trial guild. The condition was I needed to pass a test set by the GM (yes there was a test in a video game). So he invited us to group, one healer, me as DPS, and GM as tank. The trial was Spindleclutch 2, and the test was burning down Bloodspawn by myself. Now I could burst 30K dps, sustained was about 15-20K, and got the boss down to 20% health, but we wiped due to the rock slides. That was it. No trial guild invite for me.
This is what this game has been brought down to the low level of players justifying who can and cannot run content that should be available to all. The only things that should control this are the mechanics of the game, and the developers who create it. If you're an elitist player like this, you are ruining gaming.
This comes of as a really big sense of entitlement. Guild leaders can set whatever standards they want before letting someone into their guild. Maybe he wanted to clear hardmode vet content and it’s not going to be pretty, perhaps not even doable at all, attempting hard mode trial content if everyone was only sustaining 15-20k.
All that being said, just because you didn’t get into that guild the idea that you suddenly can’t run this content is wrong. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from getting 11 other players and doing any of the trials except time and motivation. 15-20k is a rather low bar and it wouldn’t take long to get 8 other dps that can manage that.1 -
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If you can't sustain more than 20k then well...I hate to break it to you but you wouldnt even be able to complete a raid.
As for the other games, the fact that you think those games are Utopia when they are just as bad if not worse really says something about the rose-colored glasses you're wearing.
The solution is simple. Improve upon yourself. Aim for 30k DPS if you want to do raids. 20k is fine for dungeons, though, so if you want to stay casual (and that is not derogatory, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a casual) then by all means stay casual.
I'd hate to break it to you, but before I could do 30k DPS, I was running vet trials with only 10K sustained DPS. No one even knew.
It's not about being a certain build or how powerful I am, but more about other players excluding players from content that does not require the overwhelming amount of skills it takes to do vet trials. I knew DPSs that could run >40K DPS, yet they died all of the time, because they failed at strategy, and mechanics. You know how much DPS a 40K sustained DPS can do when dead? ZERO!!! Not only this the other DPSs have to stop what they're supposed to be doing (damage) to rez your dead ass.
There's more than one way to improve yourself.
So you were OK with getting carried and making the runs harder for everyone else in the group?
Also, I see the sentiment that hard hitting DPS are always actually somehow these mysteriously awful players that are dead all the time when it's the exact opposite. People who are hitting high dps numbers practice their rotation, practice playing their character, and practice trials. They are not the ones always dead and in fact it's almost always the lower hitting DPS because they are still having to think about their rotation while handling mechanics, while people who hit 45-55k have their rotation down to the point they do it without thinking. Even *if* a high hitting DPS dies a lot, it's often still better:
40k x 60 seconds = 2,400,000. Lets cut that in half and pretend they were dead for 30 seconds out of a 1 minute fight, so half the fight they are lying useless on the floor. They pulled 1.2m damage.
15k x 60 seconds = 900,000.
Even though the 40k dps was dead half the fight, they still contributed more. Like I stated previously though it's seldomly the high dps people that are dead while the low dps are some secret mechanic wonderkin that never die.2 -
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✭✭✭I'm on PS4. I guess I've been lucky because the 2 main guilds I'm in are super chill and very helpful, and most of the PUGs have even been friendly. Not that I think age is the key, but most of the people I run with in these guilds are in their 30's to 40's (like me). We kind of know who is running the show in trials, everyone goofs around on the mic until the boss fights, then its just calling out position and help. Like you would in a pickup basketball game. Fun.
Now, I've also seen the darker side as I've run some trials with other guilds, closer to the one @kylewwefan is talking about. Its a totally different atmosphere. Someone is barking commands, the toadies are throwing in their 2 cents, there's always some clown talking about how great his DPS or Healing is in comparison to the group, or the super tank that can't stop telling you how awful everyone was compared to that time in vMOL, and there is that omni-present passive-aggressive vibe. Its tense. Its not fun. I could not wait for it to be over. Unfortunately, it was vAS, which takes an eternity and heaven forbid someone stack on you or you accidentally cross paths with them.
I don't know why anyone would put themselves through that on a routine basis.0 -
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✭I quit school.
I quit work.
Full of toxic end-game players constantly whining about me needing to improve myself to get to their fantastic expectations of high performance, whilst undermining everyone else in the team.
Is it? I've often wondered.[But it's all in good fun. Isn't that why we are here?
Edited by Androconium on October 18, 2018 9:43PM4 -
rez0055✭✭✭After reading this thread i’m glad I only care about pvp LOLCharacters
- Only-Drinks-With-Templars: Lvl 50 Argonian Magica Templar
- Bialozar: Lvl 50 Khajitt Stamina Nightblade
- Rez the Bald Sorceror: Lvl 50 Dark Elf Magica Sorceror
- Gerard Snow: Lvl 50 Dark Elf Magica Dragonknight
- Dorothea Black: Lvl 50 Imperial Stamina Templar
- Demon Cleaver: Lvl 50 Orc Stamina Warden
- Lord of BØnes: Lvl 50 Breton Magica Necromancer
PC/EU server. You'll find my characters hoping on and off on the plains of Cyrodil with the guild The Black.6 -
Hoolielulu✭✭✭✭✭One of my PS4 PVE guilds is so bad that there are people in place to mediate "disagreements". It seems to be a full-time job. I'm surprised it still exists.0 -
Lokirules✭✭✭PS4s Raiding community was gutted after Morrowind and a good chunk of the people who stayed were the hardcore elitists who demand perfection from people. There are still players in the community who are great and try to help out others but they are now the minority. Been in 8 trials guilds and 6 of them were terrible places to be. It was at that time I gave up and pve and became an 80 percent Pvp player. I still pve but it’s with pvp players who don’t demand that perfection we do end up taking longer on dungeons and trials sometimes but we have fun while doing itI’m a Farmer so what2 -
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✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Proof that all of them came from consoles?Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.
"You F'ing useless waste of space are you F'ing blind" really sounds like constructive criticism
Not all raid groups are like this but I've seen/heard my fair few when joining to help out if someone needed another member.
from what ive seen in this topic so far all the toxicity complaints are comming from console, i just wonder why.
if anyone ever attacked anyone of my raidteam more than once, instant guildkick.
Just look through the thread, everyone that is mentioning some kind of genuine toxicity either put their platform in the post or its in their signature. And most that ive seen that it affected is Console and im not saying PC > CONSOLE SUCK IT, im actually curious why people on console would tend to be more toxic than PC Endgame Community.2 -
Lokirules✭✭✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Proof that all of them came from consoles?Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.
"You F'ing useless waste of space are you F'ing blind" really sounds like constructive criticism
Not all raid groups are like this but I've seen/heard my fair few when joining to help out if someone needed another member.
from what ive seen in this topic so far all the toxicity complaints are comming from console, i just wonder why.
if anyone ever attacked anyone of my raidteam more than once, instant guildkick.
Just look through the thread, everyone that is mentioning some kind of genuine toxicity either put their platform in the post or its in their signature. And most that ive seen that it affected is Console and im not saying PC > CONSOLE SUCK IT, im actually curious why people on console would tend to be more toxic than PC Endgame Community.
The reason why is because the people being toxic on PS4 think that they are on Pc and that they are Gods over whom they consider uneducated peasantsEdited by Lokirules on October 18, 2018 10:12PMI’m a Farmer so what1 -
moonsugar66✭✭✭craftycarper73 wrote: »As I expected, most of the comments here are like: "yeah, that's why I do RP/housing, because raiding guilds are so toxic!!!!111oneone"
For me that is one of the things that sticks out, lack of respect amongst these so called top players, end of mic giving it the big i am, when in reality they would end up with a twisted jaw.
A very good point you've made there. This "constructive criticism" is certainly something people out in the real world wouldn't tolerate. You're absolutely right. People IRL would be outraged and rightfully so.
These players you refer to are cowards and kids. They don't have the common sense or maturity to understand how to effectively lead others so they resort to playground behavior.0 -
RedRook✭✭✭✭The PS4 community is the absolute definition of toxic. Never again will I be anywhere close to those people.
My end game trial and PvP raiding groups on PC are just amazing. I love those guys.
Yep if I ever come back to the game I'll be leaving PS4 and joining PC/Mac NA, hopefully the experience will be better...
It is.0 -
LiberatorSam✭✭✭If you want to join the top dog group you need to be performing at all times, what is so hard to understand? If you don’t want the pressure or want a more relaxing environment then drop a tier, there are plenty of guilds that are only opting for a clear and not score/achievements. I was invited into a end game score group but I declined it because my internet is unstable and high ping. I joined a progression guild and helping them thru vHoF right now. If you can’t perform at a level your guild expects then find one that has a lower expectation.5
