Now I'm really wondering how Morag Tong would compare if we're now using acid spray as well as a claw spammable

Cybercore_Death wrote: »

@Masel92 couple of things.

Given that HAs aren't part of the build anymore should Igneous Weapons be used over Molten Arms? (I realised that part of the Igneous buff will come from pots anyway).

Have there been any changes to Mountains Blessing? If not then would it be worth recasting Igneous / Molten every 2nd rotations for the the Minor Brutality buff?

Rather than using Igneous / Molten would it instead be worth weaving in Eruption or Stone Giant every back bar rota so that Minor Brute is up 100% of the time, in theory bringing extra damage to the table overall.

Thought about this too. Wasting a skill cast every other rotation for 500dps and 90+% uptime on minor brutality always came out with less dps for me for some reason.

I've been finding that using arrow spray in my rotation equaled about the same dps with a more complicated rotation and higher stamina drain. No matter what I did, it always broke even on pts. Without it, I was able to use blue food on a redguard for near infinite stamina, the stamina regen vs drain was 50-100 apart. I swear I did about 20 parses and it felt the same on average making the clunky skill kinda pointless.

I couldn't break 50k, the closest I got was 49,500 dps and it was using 2x bloodthirsty jewelry. Without I parsed on avg. 47500-48500 without using arrow spray. This is with only using 3 skills back bar instead of arrow spray + igneous weapons.

Was your video recorded before or after relequen was nerfed from melee dmg type? I found on the pts, even with the changes Selene's came on top for dps at around 1500 vs velidreth for 1300. Velidreth has cleave dmg though.

I don't main a stam dk, so just curious if you have tried to take out arrow spray and did it yield the same results. Replacing 1 arrow spray with 1 claw seemed about the same dmg and using AY with 4 skills on back bar means you may lose the stacks easier. Without relequen to proc it back, it may take an extra second to reach 5 stacks if you lose them.

@Masel92 I can't really tell from the video, but do you let venomous claw run out after the last spam and before the first? Is that why you also use acid spray maybe, to prevent you using claw too early again?

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

@Masel92 I can't really tell from the video, but do you let venomous claw run out after the last spam and before the first? Is that why you also use acid spray maybe, to prevent you using claw too early again?

Venomous claw is an outlier with it's annoying 10.5s long dot. If you arrange your rotation to allow it run out then that is less time that hail, PI, twin slashes, and noxious are running. IMO You're better off skipping that last tick and instead keep better uptime on your other ≤10s dots.

But yes acid spray is in there to use up time. You could use acid spray or another venomous claw or some other skill like trapping webs (if someone can get the synergy). I used either eruption or extra claw, alternating.

Masel92 wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

@Masel92 I can't really tell from the video, but do you let venomous claw run out after the last spam and before the first? Is that why you also use acid spray maybe, to prevent you using claw too early again?

Venomous claw is an outlier with it's annoying 10.5s long dot. If you arrange your rotation to allow it run out then that is less time that hail, PI, twin slashes, and noxious are running. IMO You're better off skipping that last tick and instead keep better uptime on your other ≤10s dots.

But yes acid spray is in there to use up time. You could use acid spray or another venomous claw or some other skill like trapping webs (if someone can get the synergy). I used either eruption or extra claw, alternating.

Not really though, because caltrops and endless hail have a 12s duration. Hail takes 1.5 to start ticking and then ticks for 10 seconds. You want to align your rotation with these, not the 10s stuff.

I just analyzed my combat metrics log. 4 out of 9 endless hail casts I lost the final tick by casting too soon. However, Claw only got its final damage tick in just 2 out of the 9 rotations I did. Those 2 rotations are the ones where I dropped Standard.

Yes the really long cast time on Hail makes the 10s dot more like 12s but assuming a bar swap and light attack between the claw cast (happens at like 10.75s in absolute best case, if you let previous claw expire at 10.5s) and hail it will be hard to not have some hail dead time. Using a rotation that guarantees the final tick of claw, I can't get as much damage from hail.

@Masel92 have you tested all 3 specialised bows for comparison? Given the build uses each the skills for these bows in wondering how they compare damage wise

I'll be very interested to try this build & rotation out when murkmire goes live, thanks for sharing

Marshall1289 wrote: »

Cybercore_Death wrote: »

@Masel92 couple of things.

Given that HAs aren't part of the build anymore should Igneous Weapons be used over Molten Arms? (I realised that part of the Igneous buff will come from pots anyway).

Have there been any changes to Mountains Blessing? If not then would it be worth recasting Igneous / Molten every 2nd rotations for the the Minor Brutality buff?

Rather than using Igneous / Molten would it instead be worth weaving in Eruption or Stone Giant every back bar rota so that Minor Brute is up 100% of the time, in theory bringing extra damage to the table overall.

Thought about this too. Wasting a skill cast every other rotation for 500dps and 90+% uptime on minor brutality always came out with less dps for me for some reason.

I've been finding that using arrow spray in my rotation equaled about the same dps with a more complicated rotation and higher stamina drain. No matter what I did, it always broke even on pts. Without it, I was able to use blue food on a redguard for near infinite stamina, the stamina regen vs drain was 50-100 apart. I swear I did about 20 parses and it felt the same on average making the clunky skill kinda pointless.

I couldn't break 50k, the closest I got was 49,500 dps and it was using 2x bloodthirsty jewelry. Without I parsed on avg. 47500-48500 without using arrow spray. This is with only using 3 skills back bar instead of arrow spray + igneous weapons.

Was your video recorded before or after relequen was nerfed from melee dmg type? I found on the pts, even with the changes Selene's came on top for dps at around 1500 vs velidreth for 1300. Velidreth has cleave dmg though.

I don't main a stam dk, so just curious if you have tried to take out arrow spray and did it yield the same results. Replacing 1 arrow spray with 1 claw seemed about the same dmg and using AY with 4 skills on back bar means you may lose the stacks easier. Without relequen to proc it back, it may take an extra second to reach 5 stacks if you lose them.

Why’s your blue cp? Also have you test velidreth vs stormfist?