Claw of the Mad God - Stamina DK PvE DD Build (50k selfbuffed - Murkmire PTS)

Masel

Updated for Murkmire.

Cybercore_Death

Awesome work as always. Looking forward to taking this bad boy for a spin :-)

Banana

Im guessing the Arms of Relequen fix lowers the parse a bit.

Masel

Banana wrote: »

Im guessing the Arms of Relequen fix lowers the parse a bit.

Yep, but I'll just go for velidreth/stormfist, so deduct 1k-ish.

MashmalloMan

Masel92 wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

Im guessing the Arms of Relequen fix lowers the parse a bit.

Yep, but I'll just go for velidreth/stormfist, so deduct 1k-ish.

What fix?

Edit: Love how you found a pseudo spammable for stam dk. Thanks for your testing. Something else worth mentioning is your likely to get higher uptime on the dot now.

John_Falstaff

@Marshall1289 , Arms of Relequen's damage isn't considered melee anymore - so, no procs for Selene and Ravager. (I still wonder if AY is affected in any way.)

MashmalloMan

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Marshall1289 , Arms of Relequen's damage isn't considered melee anymore - so, no procs for Selene and Ravager. (I still wonder if AY is affected in any way.)

WELL crap.. Bye bye gold Ravager. Lasted 3 months. Shame.

John_Falstaff

@Masel92 , what is your opinion - will AY be still viable for this build? There are four back bar skills in rotation; will it be possible to keep AY stacks from falling off without help from Relequen ticks, with just light weaving?

WeylandLabs

Nerf it !

Masel

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Nerf it !

Wow, don't be too constructive.

John_Falstaff

@Masel92 , my earlier question about AY might've been overlooked over @Shokasegambit1's valuable contribution. ^^ Also, another thing I wonder about - is it a large damage loss, to overcast Venomous Claw? Its damage is increasing towards end of its duration, and if it's used as a spammable, then last (and most damaging) ticks probably would disappear since it'd be recast early on.

OrphanHelgen

Pretty sad that light attack ven claw SPAM is more dmg than a heavy attack rotation. Great design zos.

Skullstachio

@Masel92

You do know that “advancing yokeda” in that image on Pg1 is actually called “Berserking Warrior” right? (I’m sure you already know.)

Funny fact: I use two-handed/Bow on my main because I find the mixture of Rally with Molten Arnaments provides a unique feel from which not only do I get major brutality for myself, but the Molten Arnaments buff Magicka built players in the group with major sorcery in Addition to buffing my own Heavy attacks by 40%, combined with Sunderflame, it makes heavy attacks hit real hard.

In short: good build.

Masel

Alpha-Lupi wrote: »

@Masel92

You do know that “advancing yokeda” in that image on Pg1 is actually called “Berserking Warrior” right? (I’m sure you already know.)

Funny fact: I use two-handed/Bow on my main because I find the mixture of Rally with Molten Arnaments provides a unique feel from which not only do I get major brutality for myself, but the Molten Arnaments buff Magicka built players in the group with major sorcery in Addition to buffing my own Heavy attacks by 40%, combined with Sunderflame, it makes heavy attacks hit real hard.

In short: good build.

Yeah the set is called berserking warrior, but the items are called advancing yokeda for some reason

hedna123b14_ESO

Alternate claw spam with 2 skills in between! Get more damage!!!

Masel

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Alternate claw spam with 2 skills in between! Get more damage!!!

Whoooooo!

Skullstachio

Masel92 wrote: »

Alpha-Lupi wrote: »

@Masel92

You do know that “advancing yokeda” in that image on Pg1 is actually called “Berserking Warrior” right? (I’m sure you already know.)

Funny fact: I use two-handed/Bow on my main because I find the mixture of Rally with Molten Arnaments provides a unique feel from which not only do I get major brutality for myself, but the Molten Arnaments buff Magicka built players in the group with major sorcery in Addition to buffing my own Heavy attacks by 40%, combined with Sunderflame, it makes heavy attacks hit real hard.

In short: good build.

Yeah the set is called berserking warrior, but the items are called advancing yokeda for some reason

Could be outdated for all I know, most of the knowledge I usually get from the UESP which is updated with each new patch/content drop.

getemshauna

Duud nice work

Vildebill

Soooo will AY/BW still be viable after the relequen "fix"?

Agalloch

Masel92 wrote: »

Updated for Murkmire.

@Masel92 , after the "fix" of Relequen, what's your opinion about replacing it with Veiled Heritance set ?

Or about a mix between Spriggan's Thorns and Veiled Heritance?

Thanks in advance!

Kanar

Nice usage of venomous claw as spammable.

If you have trouble keeping AY stacks up through backbar rotation, then Briarheart is as good as AY in my opinion.

kuma82

A question, as I do not have any trial gear what would be decent substitutes? I saw you had morag tong also listed. Would swamp raider be a good pairing with morag tong to up poison dmg since we are using claw as a spammable?

MashmalloMan

I really like that you found this. Now iight be inclined to try this as an alt. The poison dragon theme is interesting to me.

I'd like to think that ZOS had always known venomous claw could be used as a spammable based on what you found and never gave a Stam whip because they secretly knew DK's already had 1. It's been 4 years ZOS!

@Masel92 do you know if this is similarly true for rending slashes dot? I once used it as a single target spammable when I ran out of bar space using deadly cloak. In a DPS parse it seemed to be equal however inflated due to bleed DMG and having only 8k penetration when using other spammables.

John_Falstaff

Seems like overcasting shouldn't be too harsh; losing one last tick of Claw's damage would make whole DoT miss on 120% of base tick... that, over 10 seconds of rotation, should be around 0.3k dps loss if I got it right. One big concern I have is that the Claw's 'feature' of having first tick 0.5 seconds after initial hit would be considered a bug and fixed at some point.

Masel

Marshall1289 wrote: »

I really like that you found this. Now iight be inclined to try this as an alt. The poison dragon theme is interesting to me.

I'd like to think that ZOS had always known venomous claw could be used as a spammable based on what you found and never gave a Stam whip because they secretly knew DK's already had 1. It's been 4 years ZOS!

@Masel92 do you know if this is similarly true for rending slashes dot? I once used it as a single target spammable when I ran out of bar space using deadly cloak. In a DPS parse it seemed to be equal however inflated due to bleed DMG and having only 8k penetration when using other spammables.

It depends on the first dot tick of rending. Rending has only a 9s duration, but a much lower initial hit than the claw. You can definitely try with metrics, just hit a dummy and see when the dot ticks come.

hedna123b14_ESO

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Seems like overcasting shouldn't be too harsh; losing one last tick of Claw's damage would make whole DoT miss on 120% of base tick... that, over 10 seconds of rotation, should be around 0.3k dps loss if I got it right. One big concern I have is that the Claw's 'feature' of having first tick 0.5 seconds after initial hit would be considered a bug and fixed at some point.

If that was true then Vamp Bane would have been fixed a long time ago...

Masel

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Seems like overcasting shouldn't be too harsh; losing one last tick of Claw's damage would make whole DoT miss on 120% of base tick... that, over 10 seconds of rotation, should be around 0.3k dps loss if I got it right. One big concern I have is that the Claw's 'feature' of having first tick 0.5 seconds after initial hit would be considered a bug and fixed at some point.

If that was true then Vamp Bane would have been fixed a long time ago...

It's intended and has been that way for years. No point in changing it now.

hedna123b14_ESO

Masel92 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Seems like overcasting shouldn't be too harsh; losing one last tick of Claw's damage would make whole DoT miss on 120% of base tick... that, over 10 seconds of rotation, should be around 0.3k dps loss if I got it right. One big concern I have is that the Claw's 'feature' of having first tick 0.5 seconds after initial hit would be considered a bug and fixed at some point.

If that was true then Vamp Bane would have been fixed a long time ago...

It's intended and has been that way for years. No point in changing it now.

Exactly

Mister_DMC

Interesting find, clever Masel

Cybercore_Death

@Masel92 couple of things.

Given that HAs aren't part of the build anymore should Igneous Weapons be used over Molten Arms? (I realised that part of the Igneous buff will come from pots anyway).

Have there been any changes to Mountains Blessing? If not then would it be worth recasting Igneous / Molten every 2nd rotations for the the Minor Brutality buff?

Rather than using Igneous / Molten would it instead be worth weaving in Eruption or Stone Giant every back bar rota so that Minor Brute is up 100% of the time, in theory bringing extra damage to the table overall.