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I don't foresee stamblades being used anymore in PvE
Strider__Roshin
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With the Warden only being 1k in damage behind the stamblade I don't think it's very realistic to bring a stamblade over a stam warden in the trial scene anymore. It's just not big enough of a difference to justify the difference in difficulty. And when I say "difficulty" I'm talking about the reliability of getting 3 spectral bow procs consistency in an optimal rotation.
We've seen this before with stamDKs.
We've seen this before with stamDKs.
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✭Meta shifts from time to time, it's normal. Magblades aren't total overkill anymore either, Magplars are on their toes.3 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Isn't that beautiful? You can bring a NB and pull a bit more DPS if you are good at it or you can bring a Warden if you do not like NB and still be competitive!
Where is the issue?24 -
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✭✭✭@Daus Look at the half full glass: at least you are not a magsorc.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Isn't that beautiful? You can bring a NB and pull a bit more DPS if you are good at it or you can bring a Warden if you do not like NB and still be competitive!
Where is the issue?
The difference in difficulty does not equate to the difference in DPS. I would argue that the only context where stamblades will do 1.6% more DPS is against a target dummy.0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Isn't that beautiful? You can bring a NB and pull a bit more DPS if you are good at it or you can bring a Warden if you do not like NB and still be competitive!
Where is the issue?
The difference in difficulty does not equate to the difference in DPS. I would argue that the only context where stamblades will do 1.6% more DPS is against a target dummy.
So people who genuinely like playing NB can keep doing it and those who don't do not have to play one just to be competitive.
I still do not see an issue.5 -
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✭✭✭Isn't that beautiful? You can bring a NB and pull a bit more DPS if you are good at it or you can bring a Warden if you do not like NB and still be competitive!
Where is the issue?
The difference in difficulty does not equate to the difference in DPS. I would argue that the only context where stamblades will do 1.6% more DPS is against a target dummy.
Nor should it be.
Top groups want top DPS, which excludes certain classes entirely. If the DPS is balanced, then you can bring your stamblade if you want, and it won't be a loss.
Though many will prefer others for sinplicities sake, and that isn't a problem compared to the defacto banning of classes.Edited by Grevaris_Elluin on October 16, 2018 3:28PMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
Best houseknight EU.4 -
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✭✭Top tier trial guilds will still prefer stamblades, even if the difference in DPS is not as big as before. No self-respecting endgame PvE guild will be like, 'ooh stamblade is so hard so play we should just bring in wardens instead and lose DPS' -_-7 -
royo✭✭✭I mean, we can just wait a week or two and check out raid parses before declaring anything dead.7
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✭✭✭✭I mean, we can just wait a week or two and check out raid parses before declaring anything dead.
I'm not screaming stamblades are dead or that woe is me nonsense. This is more of a discussion than anything about the potential direction of the trial scene. It just appears to me that ZOS isn't learning from the past when StamDKs were slightly weaker than stamblades, but due to the difference in difficulty they were chosen over stamblades.0 -
bongtokin420insd16✭✭✭✭I like my kittyblade and my only Warden is a mistake Red lol so ill be sticking to my kitty. Lemon for life
Which i guess is technically irrelevant in PvE but still.....Kaz_Wastelander PS4NA0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As I understand this assumption comes from youtube parses, that was made with NB healer (minor savagery anyone). Quite ironic actually.1 -
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✭✭✭But the rotation isn't even that hard. I think you'll still see teams stack NBs, with maybe a stamden in trials that have long add pulls for the AoE fracture.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA2 -
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Yeah my bad, my post is definitely from a competitive perspective. Obviously they'll be prevalent everywhere else.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I'm happy nightblades will no longer be that far ahead of the other classes."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭One of my guildmates said it best, "people who play stamblade because they like the class and are good at it will still play one and still be good. People who only rolled stamblade to hump the meta will move on, and that's the best thing that could happen to the class"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche10 -
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Ok, not what I would call raid buffed but there are outside buffs and debuffs being applied.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
Gulnagel✭✭✭✭But this dps is insane, I'd be happy to reach 30-35 k if I can run around at the same time, avoiding aoe and all.
But in all seriousness this build must be squishy right? I PUG a lot and just the thought of me going in to a vetDLC dungeon without shields or a selfheal already makes me cringe. Maybe sorcerer spoiled me?
Thoughts?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭That stam warden rotation is a pain to run as well.
if you're slow on the front bar, bugs, 2 * skill bugs, 2 skills, bugs bar swap then your ehail drops off and the damage takes a nose dive.1 -
Supernatural✭✭✭✭People come to fast conclusions just by looking at dummy parses. On a trial environment, where you have long execute phases, stamblade will still be stronger than every other stamina class. The gap, however, is smaller now, which is a good thing.Maelstrom Arena - World's First Nightblade 600k Score - 02/18/20176 -
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A meta I will like a lot, I will not complain one bit if the meta shifts towards magplars and stamdens.. since it’s very likely so due to magplars being so close behind magblades and will likely pass them next patch.0 -
Mister_DMC✭✭✭✭✭Supernatural wrote: »People come to fast conclusions just by looking at dummy parses. On a trial environment, where you have long execute phases, stamblade will still be stronger than every other stamina class. The gap, however, is smaller now, which is a good thing.
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