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Stamdens needs to be nerfed down in PvP
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Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
Problem is, when people start saying can you please buff this class to do as well as others, you get people calling them stupid. Never seen a "buff this class" be met with anything but hostility from the majority of players.
This game is balanced via forum whining.
If you dont counter whine the forum whiners you end up like nerfmire magsorcs.
Whining leads to balance in ESO
Whining leads to a worse game. Being less salty and fighting for the classes you love, which should be all of them. It would create a more balanced game and a better atmosphere for yourself.
Edited by Girl_Number8 on October 11, 2018 9:14PM2 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
Problem is, when people start saying can you please buff this class to do as well as others, you get people calling them stupid. Never seen a "buff this class" be met with anything but hostility from the majority of players.
This game is balanced via forum whining.
If you dont counter whine the forum whiners you end up like nerfmire magsorcs.
Whining leads to balance in ESO
Whining leads to a worse game. Being less salty and fighting for the classes you love, which should be all of them. It would create a more balanced game and better atmosphere for yourself.
THat will just make stupid OP classes and a broken game. NO CLASS SHOULD HAVE A COMPLETE KIT.0 -
Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
Problem is, when people start saying can you please buff this class to do as well as others, you get people calling them stupid. Never seen a "buff this class" be met with anything but hostility from the majority of players.
This game is balanced via forum whining.
If you dont counter whine the forum whiners you end up like nerfmire magsorcs.
Whining leads to balance in ESO
Whining leads to a worse game. Being less salty and fighting for the classes you love, which should be all of them. It would create a more balanced game and better atmosphere for yourself.
You are absolutely right, 100% of it. But still thats now how this game works. As said this game is balanced by forum whinings that leads to classes being useless as DK have been for a LONG time, just because after beta children with daggers + magica skills could not kill pure magica DK's
Its all a rotten circle, if i dont do it others will. I choose to do it as others do 0 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
Problem is, when people start saying can you please buff this class to do as well as others, you get people calling them stupid. Never seen a "buff this class" be met with anything but hostility from the majority of players.
This game is balanced via forum whining.
If you dont counter whine the forum whiners you end up like nerfmire magsorcs.
Whining leads to balance in ESO
Whining leads to a worse game. Being less salty and fighting for the classes you love, which should be all of them. It would create a more balanced game and better atmosphere for yourself.
THat will just make stupid OP classes and a broken game. NO CLASS SHOULD HAVE A COMPLETE KIT.
No it wouldn't. It would create more balance by saving useless classes that were over nerfed. Which in return, would make PvP more strategic, rather then everyone just playing a few classes.
Also, you still haven't answered what classes you play and if you just play bgs or do you play cp cyro? I mean, since you won't answer any questions, this just seems like an unproductive rage thread asking to nerf a class that you can play. Which is not productive in you getting any better at the game, and more importantly having fun. If you provided your classes and the issues you are having, people would offer you help.Edited by Girl_Number8 on October 11, 2018 8:09PM0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »Girl_Number8 wrote: »DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
Problem is, when people start saying can you please buff this class to do as well as others, you get people calling them stupid. Never seen a "buff this class" be met with anything but hostility from the majority of players.
This game is balanced via forum whining.
If you dont counter whine the forum whiners you end up like nerfmire magsorcs.
Whining leads to balance in ESO
Whining leads to a worse game. Being less salty and fighting for the classes you love, which should be all of them. It would create a more balanced game and better atmosphere for yourself.
THat will just make stupid OP classes and a broken game. NO CLASS SHOULD HAVE A COMPLETE KIT.
No it wouldn't. It would create more balance by saving useless classes that were over nerfed. Which in return, would make PvP more strategic, rather then everyone just playing a few classes.
Also, you still haven't answered what classes you play and if you just play bgs or do you play cp cyro? I mean, since you won't answer any questions, this just seems like an unproductive rage thread asking to nerf a class that you can play. Which is not productive in you getting any better at the game, and more importantly having fun. If you provided your classes and the issues you are having, people would offer you help.
I am a Magblade/Stamplar main and got AR 40 on both. I play all kinds of PvP and there is not a place where stamdens are not OP. Show me a weakness Stamdens have in their setup and then we can talk. Every other class lacks something.Edited by susmitds on October 11, 2018 8:15PM1 -
SPE825✭✭✭Thannazzar wrote: »99% of Nerf threads are basically:
'I got owned in PVP by a class I don't play and I want my opponents to suffer rather than learning to counter...'
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS is going to nerf magdens again instead.Edited by MLGProPlayer on October 11, 2018 8:32PM5 -
callen4492✭✭✭Warden doesn’t have a hard CC among their class skills. That is it’s weakness. Also, shalks is hard to land and easy to avoid. I have both a Magden and a Stamden but neither is my main. They’re probably my third or fourth characters.1
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susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭callen4492 wrote: »Warden doesn’t have a hard CC among their class skills. That is it’s weakness. Also, shalks is hard to land and easy to avoid. I have both a Magden and a Stamden but neither is my main. They’re probably my third or fourth characters.
There are getting one this patch.0 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭Can someone in this thread show us a video how'd you counter a good stamina warden in pvp? I mean not those cp200 ish noob stam warden.Edited by WaltherCarraway on October 12, 2018 12:46AMBack from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭.Edited by WaltherCarraway on October 12, 2018 12:46AMBack from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0
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MooseKnuckles88✭✭✭✭Easy fix, make cyrodiil have faction specific zones with the other factions as npcs in that zone.
So if you're a blue, you'll log into a Daggerfall Covenant specific zone filled with 'red' and 'yellow' npcs that look like real players only they just use light attacks and mud balls. This should cut down on the whining?1 -
regime211✭✭✭✭✭
✭Taking an objective look at this class, it is apparent to anyone how ridiculously OP this class is. While, there are/were other OP classes in ESO's history, there has never been a single class that can virtually do everything without any given weakness.
They have everything- NB levels of Sustain
- NB levels of Burst
- AoE Burst unmatched even considered the Proxi-Det days of the past
- Magplar levels of Self-heals
- DK-like Tankiness
This post deserves to be nerfed!4 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You guys are feeding the troll..
And they are not overpowered, stop with the agendas..2 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Taking an objective look at this class, it is apparent to anyone how ridiculously OP this class is. While, there are/were other OP classes in ESO's history, there has never been a single class that can virtually do everything without any given weakness.
They have everything- NB levels of Sustain
- NB levels of Burst
- AoE Burst unmatched even considered the Proxi-Det days of the past
- Magplar levels of Self-heals
- DK-like Tankiness
WHAT LOL. Im a 5 medium Brawler Stamblade (no cloak and shade) and I eat stamdens for breakfast, the heck are you talking about xD Stop the damn nerfs and learn how to play the game lmfao.Edited by Nyladreas on October 12, 2018 1:04AM3 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭Taking an objective look at this class, it is apparent to anyone how ridiculously OP this class is. While, there are/were other OP classes in ESO's history, there has never been a single class that can virtually do everything without any given weakness.
They have everything- NB levels of Sustain
- NB levels of Burst
- AoE Burst unmatched even considered the Proxi-Det days of the past
- Magplar levels of Self-heals
- DK-like Tankiness
WHAT LOL. Im a 5 medium Stamblade and I eat stamdens for breakfast, the heck are you talking about xD Stop the damn nerfs and learn how to play the game lmfao.
my stamblade eats everything as breakfast but could you also show me your footage of beating a good stamina warden with magdk toon?
talk is cheap. oh and stamblade lmfao.Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Taking an objective look at this class, it is apparent to anyone how ridiculously OP this class is. While, there are/were other OP classes in ESO's history, there has never been a single class that can virtually do everything without any given weakness.
They have everything- NB levels of Sustain
- NB levels of Burst
- AoE Burst unmatched even considered the Proxi-Det days of the past
- Magplar levels of Self-heals
- DK-like Tankiness
WHAT LOL. Im a 5 medium Stamblade and I eat stamdens for breakfast, the heck are you talking about xD Stop the damn nerfs and learn how to play the game lmfao.
my stamblade eats everything as breakfast but could you also show me your footage of beating a good stamina warden with magdk toon?
talk is cheap. oh and stamblade lmfao.
Did i mention I'm not even using a cloak or shade on that medium build? Yeah, lmfao. @WaltherCarraway
Do you run a defensive set, do you run some sort of utility or do you build straight for damage? MagDKs are much tankier even in light armor compared to NBs like me who chose to remove our signature defensives.Edited by Nyladreas on October 12, 2018 1:06AM1 -
Arandear✭✭✭Nerf posts are getting old but I watched Krotha use a StamDen not long ago and it's mad powerful.
MagDen however, well...1 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Taking an objective look at this class, it is apparent to anyone how ridiculously OP this class is. While, there are/were other OP classes in ESO's history, there has never been a single class that can virtually do everything without any given weakness.
They have everything- NB levels of Sustain
- NB levels of Burst
- AoE Burst unmatched even considered the Proxi-Det days of the past
- Magplar levels of Self-heals
- DK-like Tankiness
WHAT LOL. Im a 5 medium Stamblade and I eat stamdens for breakfast, the heck are you talking about xD Stop the damn nerfs and learn how to play the game lmfao.
my stamblade eats everything as breakfast but could you also show me your footage of beating a good stamina warden with magdk toon?
talk is cheap. oh and stamblade lmfao.
Did i mention I'm not even using a cloak or shade on that medium build? Yeah, lmfao. @WaltherCarraway
Do you run a defensive set, do you run some sort of utility or do you build straight for damage? MagDKs are much tankier even in light armor compared to NBs like me who chose to remove our signature defensives.
i just want a video. btw i used to main mdk but now stamplar.Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
pdblake✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thannazzar wrote: »99% of Nerf threads are basically:
'I got owned in PVP by a class I don't play and I want my opponents to suffer rather than learning to counter...'
Tried to agree and give this an awesome but it won't let me.
Just for the record this is agreeably awesome.1 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Thannazzar wrote: »99% of Nerf threads are basically:
'I got owned in PVP by a class I don't play and I want my opponents to suffer rather than learning to counter...'
It was probably an Orc. They’re so OP. Everyone should play Orc.0 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The only thing wrong imho is that shield that completely nullifies projectiles..
I just walk away on my magsorc, because I know there's just no point even trying. No single ability should completely nullify an entire class.
imho most of the cries come from the small-scaler groups who kite (with speed - being nerfed), while almost immune to range damage - into a choke-point - then into co-ordinated multiple aoe burst and ulti dumps. (being indirectly nerfed by evasion).. Aside from that, just don't be dumb, chasing them into a choke-point.
Edited by Biro123 on October 12, 2018 11:33AMMinalan owes me a beer.
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Nord_Raseri✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only thing wrong imho is that shield that completely nullifies projectiles..
I just walk away on my magsorc, because I know there's just no point even trying. No single ability should completely nullify an entire class.
imho most of the cries come from the small-scaler groups who kite (with speed - being nerfed), while almost immune to range damage - into a choke-point - then into co-ordinated multiple aoe burst and ulti dumps. (being indirectly nerfed by evasion).. Aside from that, just don't be dumb, chasing them into a choke-point.
anyone with Sword and Board can do that, and it costs a whole lot less for a stam class and lasts 5-8x longer + it makes it so you can block 8% more damage with it on your bar. I don't even use shimmering shield on my warden. I use the S&B one.Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭My intuition says that Warden needs only one change to make it appropriately balanced:
Remove the magicka restore on Shimmering Shield (all morphs).
This addresses Stam Warden directly because they then have to make choices for magicka utility instead of potentially having 100% uptime on a ranged hard counter and Major Heroism while also having enough magicka sustain to use other buffs/utility.
Magicka Warden can obviously maintain it easily, but they would need to make smart decisions whether to cast this or Annulment.
My only real beef with Stamwarden is that they can't be bursted by any build with a ranged component yet they have one-shot capability themselves. Dk reflect makes slightly more sense because they are intended to be more DOT and skill combo centric and can't wombo-combo everything so easily.Edited by Solariken on October 12, 2018 4:53PM0 -
Nicalas✭✭✭callen4492 wrote: »Warden doesn’t have a hard CC among their class skills. That is it’s weakness. Also, shalks is hard to land and easy to avoid. I have both a Magden and a Stamden but neither is my main. They’re probably my third or fourth characters.
There are getting one this patch.
How are they going to cast it? In BG without CP buffs. Stamden has to maintain at least 2 magicka cost buffs , a third can be cast slightly staggered out of combat. In Combat Regen is so low for magicka that if you run fortress+lotus you will not have any magicka avail to run shimmering or vines.
Here are some tips from a completely average player. I play every stamina class.
Heal yourself.
Use Break Free.
Pay Attention to aoe spells, skill sounds, active debuffs.
Don't run Vamp on every single build.
Manage resources.
Don't chase kills.
Build correctly.
When a player has successfully DBoS and spun down your team 3 times in a row. This player has identified that you are all squishy and lack effective healing and awareness. You will now be farmed. I can't tell you how many times players in light that don't heal then sit and complain about OP stamina.
The problem is that although there seems to be some form of MMR it is not consistent. Some matches I play I can tell within the first 30 seconds how hard I'm gonna have to work and others I can run around tanking damage dropping DB's and spinning down 4-5 players at a time.
Every time I thought a class was OP and didn't understand how they were doing what they were doing I went to character select and made that "OP" build. You know what I always found? I had a serious lack of understanding. Not only for the class but also how to effectively use my class and the games mechanics to counter it.
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