Nope. And boy do I wish they would at least limit those who could auto queue into one. Just don’t let someone auto queue into one until they have at least one of the vet achievements. What a big waste of time it usually ends up being when 2 or 3 don’t have any business being there.

group with a friend who doesnt have eso+ and didnt buy any dungeon pack.

You should be able to veto some dungeons from que. Allow the player to veto 3 dungeons, addtionally granted 1 veto per Dungeon DLC pack you get.

weg0 wrote: »

Nope. And boy do I wish they would at least limit those who could auto queue into one. Just don’t let someone auto queue into one until they have at least one of the vet achievements. What a big waste of time it usually ends up being when 2 or 3 don’t have any business being there.

You have to be 300 cp to get into any of the more recent DLC dungeons, 160 for Cyrodil ones I believe..

I agree, I'd like to exclude from dlcs in a random too

ayu_fever wrote: »

dlc dungeons are just too hard and too heavy on mechanics for PUGs even on normal.
the dungeons themselves are not “too hard,” but rather the random nature of what the group finder puts you with that makes the content impossible with the group composition you randomly get.

sure, its a roll of the dice. a less than 1% chance you can clear ruins of mozzarella sticks on normal, then bailing and having the time out penalty is just too much to deal with.

sure 1 player in the group can be great but how about those fake tanks? or the CP11 healers who only spam bow light attacks?
the point is this content is not made for random matchmaking with all these punk kids who have no idea what they are doing. dlc dungeons should be challenging and rewarding, but they are designed for premade groups who use communication and have good builds that synergize with each other to clear the content. they really are “mini trials.”

dlc dungeons should be removed from the group finder queue entirely and require a premade group just like trials.
OR....
mega nerf every aspect of the dungeons to bump them down several notches (ONLY ON NORMAL MODE!) to be in line with base game dungeons.

of course the only ones who are against these changes already have a group to play with anyway so the changes wont affect them.
its the solo players, the casuals, and the PUGs that “keep the lights on” with subs and crown purchases so ZOS has no choice but to cater to them.

hardcore players have veteran mode and can read the scroll with their l33t guilds so challenge is there for those poeple.
the rest of us do not want these headaches.

Are all of the things you have listed not an issue on normal non-DLC's? Because if they aren't, they certainly should be.

vienna wrote: »

When some of you mention how ''easy'' are DLC dungeons, how everyone is able to finish it and so on,..you have to play Eso in parallel universe, whenever I come across a DLC dungeon it's a strugle, usually frustration and this is a norm. Of course here gives many professional gamers for who is everything easy, how everyone else suck,....DLC dungeons are $$ content, people pay for it and get content which a casual player usually consider frustration, I wonder how many would click on >>refund<< button if they could.

I never said they were "easy." I said they're not that bad. As long as you're with a halfway reasonable group they're not.

What part of DLC dungeons do you find frustrating? The mechanics or the people?

FlyingSwan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Join up with someone who does not have access to the DLCs and you will not get the DLC dungeons. At least you cannot directly queue for them.

I have suggested multiple times that Zos could offer a toggle to include or exclude the DLC dungeons from the mix. It would be simple and Zos could keep the purple quality random reward for including the DLCs and if they are excluded the reward becomes blue quality as though it was someone's second run.

Really a simple solution and acknowledges that the random reward would be greater when greater risk and challenge is taken up.

But that's the same outcome as just running random normals, is it not? And if one is concerned about completing the vet DLC content, using the Finder to queue for random normals means the group will invariably complete the daily quest even if a DLC dungeon pops, and you still get 100k XP, I think the reward items are just subtly different.

So there's a solution already for avoiding the harder content, just queue for a random normal. I do this sometimes, if I don't have much time that day but want to do the daily run, I'll queue random normal as I know I'll complete whatever the Finder throws at me.

I don't really understand why this keeps coming up, just run random normals, the problem goes away and you still get the all important XP reward.

First off, you miss out on the chance for monster helms. Upgrading jewelry from blue to purple is also kind of a pain, but that's a lesser point.

Monster helms aside though, there are many groups that can't even complete DLC dungeons. True, WGT and ICP are mostly puggable on normal these days, but ROM and COS are more hit-or-miss, and so is scalecaller peak and bloodroot forge. Haven't done the new ones yet, haven't been able to field a good group and I'm not gonna pug em right away haha.

Point being, even doing random normal is rolling the dice. even if you can carry dps hard, it doesn't necessarily mean the group can get through it.

I agree to this to an extent, but it would create a lot of logical problems. I sherpa pugs through DLC dungeons all the time on my healer, so I don't mind explaining mechanics, building my healer around helping roles that struggle, or even letting some people die to mechanics if they are really interested in learning how the dungeons work. On the flip side you sometimes run into groups that just steamroll it and you don't have to explain anything and just heal through the mechanics. That's one of the more interesting parts of PUGs is that you never really know what the dungeon is going to be like.

I agree with the skipping of DLC dungeons only because they can take pretty long to complete, and not because I don't think I'll be able to complete them. If you roll croutons of mozzarella sticks, even in a good group you will probably take 30 min. If you end up with a few weak members and need to explain stuff and the overall dps is low, that dungeon can easily take 45 min to an hour. Because of that, I can't really queue for a random NM unless I know I have at least an hour to play the dungeon (and it's more like 2 hours for a vet dungeon). Non-dlc dungeons can almost all be completed under 30 minutes no matter the group (BC-II may be one of the few exceptions to this. If your group is capped at 20k dps, you will probably not be able to heal through 6 daedroth & death circles while destroying healing balls).

The problem this would create, though, is that the vast majority of people would opt not to queue with DLC dungeons available. That means it could take hours to get a DLC dungeon to pop if it's not the daily undaunted.

When you go to quick 1 hour play to just do the daily random for a crystal...aaaand it's Bloodrot Forge. Rip your time.

I would be okay with DLC dungeons being excluded from the daily random. I know ESO said that players under CP 300 are kept out of DLC dungeons, but I've seen several sub-200 players in the random vet daily when it was MOS. Don't know how they got in there. Didn't go so well.