Exclude DLC dungeons

vienna

Is there any way how to exclude yourself from DLC dungeons in automatic group finder? If I play on a healer It's not a big problem, you can find very fast another group till a normal dungeon show up, but with a dmg dealer is highly annoying when you have to wait almost half hour for a group. I had think to quit ESO + but I have gold edition version, I think some of them are already unlocked automatically

weg0

Nope. And boy do I wish they would at least limit those who could auto queue into one. Just don’t let someone auto queue into one until they have at least one of the vet achievements. What a big waste of time it usually ends up being when 2 or 3 don’t have any business being there.

Agenericname

There is, just pick every dungeon that you're willing to do and omit the DLCs, then queue.

eso_nya

group with a friend who doesnt have eso+ and didnt buy any dungeon pack.

Jayman1000

vienna wrote: »

Is there any way how to exclude yourself from DLC dungeons in automatic group finder? If I play on a healer It's not a big problem, you can find very fast another group till a normal dungeon show up, but with a dmg dealer is highly annoying when you have to wait almost half hour for a group. I had think to quit ESO + but I have gold edition version, I think some of them are already unlocked automatically

if you are subscribing to ESO+ you can unsubscribe to get rid of the DLC dungeons. However if you alreday have bought the DLC then you're out of luck.

richo262

You should be able to veto some dungeons from que. Allow the player to veto 3 dungeons, addtionally granted 1 veto per Dungeon DLC pack you get.

vienna

Agenericname wrote: »

There is, just pick every dungeon that you're willing to do and omit the DLCs, then queue.

Yay thx, that's a way yes!, but I assume i'm out of luck when it comes to daily random dungeon ''quest.''

DMuehlhausen

weg0 wrote: »

Nope. And boy do I wish they would at least limit those who could auto queue into one. Just don’t let someone auto queue into one until they have at least one of the vet achievements. What a big waste of time it usually ends up being when 2 or 3 don’t have any business being there.

You have to be 300 cp to get into any of the more recent DLC dungeons, 160 for Cyrodil ones I believe..

Meld777

You need to have at least 300 CP to be put into a Vet DLC dungeon. If you have a problem with Vet DLC dungeons in a CP 300+ group, you're part of the problem: L2P. If you have a problem with normal DLCs, you are most definitely part of the problem: L2P.

MooseKnuckles88

I agree, I'd like to exclude from dlcs in a random too

ayu_fever

dlc dungeons are just too hard and too heavy on mechanics for PUGs even on normal.
the dungeons themselves are not “too hard,” but rather the random nature of what the group finder puts you with that makes the content impossible with the group composition you randomly get.

sure, its a roll of the dice. a less than 1% chance you can clear ruins of mozzarella sticks on normal, then bailing and having the time out penalty is just too much to deal with.

sure 1 player in the group can be great but how about those fake tanks? or the CP11 healers who only spam bow light attacks?
the point is this content is not made for random matchmaking with all these punk kids who have no idea what they are doing. dlc dungeons should be challenging and rewarding, but they are designed for premade groups who use communication and have good builds that synergize with each other to clear the content. they really are “mini trials.”

dlc dungeons should be removed from the group finder queue entirely and require a premade group just like trials.
OR....
mega nerf every aspect of the dungeons to bump them down several notches (ONLY ON NORMAL MODE!) to be in line with base game dungeons.

of course the only ones who are against these changes already have a group to play with anyway so the changes wont affect them.
its the solo players, the casuals, and the PUGs that “keep the lights on” with subs and crown purchases so ZOS has no choice but to cater to them.

hardcore players have veteran mode and can read the scroll with their l33t guilds so challenge is there for those poeple.
the rest of us do not want these headaches.

Merlin13KAGL

ayu_fever wrote: »

dlc dungeons are just too hard and too heavy on mechanics for PUGs even on normal.
the dungeons themselves are not “too hard,” but rather the random nature of what the group finder puts you with that makes the content impossible with the group composition you randomly get.

sure, its a roll of the dice. a less than 1% chance you can clear ruins of mozzarella sticks on normal, then bailing and having the time out penalty is just too much to deal with.

sure 1 player in the group can be great but how about those fake tanks? or the CP11 healers who only spam bow light attacks?
the point is this content is not made for random matchmaking with all these punk kids who have no idea what they are doing. dlc dungeons should be challenging and rewarding, but they are designed for premade groups who use communication and have good builds that synergize with each other to clear the content. they really are “mini trials.”

dlc dungeons should be removed from the group finder queue entirely and require a premade group just like trials.
OR....
mega nerf every aspect of the dungeons to bump them down several notches (ONLY ON NORMAL MODE!) to be in line with base game dungeons.

of course the only ones who are against these changes already have a group to play with anyway so the changes wont affect them.
its the solo players, the casuals, and the PUGs that “keep the lights on” with subs and crown purchases so ZOS has no choice but to cater to them.

hardcore players have veteran mode and can read the scroll with their l33t guilds so challenge is there for those poeple.
the rest of us do not want these headaches.

Are all of the things you have listed not an issue on normal non-DLC's? Because if they aren't, they certainly should be.

FlyingSwan

vienna wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

There is, just pick every dungeon that you're willing to do and omit the DLCs, then queue.

Yay thx, that's a way yes!, but I assume i'm out of luck when it comes to daily random dungeon ''quest.''

Well yes, but then you're not taking the dungeon risk to warrant the reward. 'You snooze, you lose!'

Or just run random normal dungeons, IME even a quite poorly co-ordinated PUG can complete the normal level DLC dungeons. I had a couple of groups who could not complete nMHK but they were exceptionally bad and would not observe instructions in chat etc., but most times an experienced player should be able to carry the team through any normal DLC. If you are regularly struggling to complete normal DLC dungeons, then I think you ought to be questioning your own contribution to the group, as they are genuinely not particularly tough.

FlyingSwan

MooseKnuckles88 wrote: »

I agree, I'd like to exclude from dlcs in a random too

Erm. Well, 'random dungeon' would be something of an oxymoron if you could do that ;-)

Agenericname

ayu_fever wrote: »

dlc dungeons are just too hard and too heavy on mechanics for PUGs even on normal.
sure 1 player in the group can be great but how about those fake tnaks? or the CP11 healers who only spam bow light attacks?
the point is this content is not made for random matchmaking with all these punk kids who have no idea what they are doing. dlc dungeons should be challenging and rewarding, but they are designed for premade groups who use communication and have good builds that synergize with each other to clear the content. they really are “mini trials.”

dlc dungeons should be removed from the group finder queue entirely and require a premade group just like trials.
OR....
mega nerf every aspect of the dungeons to bump them down several notches (ONLY ON NORMAL MODE!) to be in line with base game dungeons.

of course the only ones who are against these changes already have a group to play with anyway so the changes wont affect them.
its the solo players, the casuals, and the PUGs that “keep the lights on” with subs and crown purchases so ZOS has no choice but to cater to them.

hardcore players have veteran mode and can read the scroll with their l33t guilds so challenge is there for those poeple.
the rest of us do not want these headaches.

I dont think they need to be nerfed or removed from the daily random. I PUG well over 95% of the dungeons I run, and I really think I'm being generous with 2-3%. DLC dungeons, on normal, arent that bad. I'm fairly casual.

Fake tanks, or fake roles in general, aren't exclusive to DLC dungeons. I've seen more fake tanks vote kicked from DLC dungeons than from base dungeons. IMO that's not always a bad thing. I'll ackowledge the difference between "I'm new" or "I don't know the mechanics" and "I'm know I'm not a real tanks but the queue is aids!"

I find WGT or SCP much more interesting than COA or BC.

FlyingSwan

Agenericname wrote: »

ayu_fever wrote: »

dlc dungeons are just too hard and too heavy on mechanics for PUGs even on normal.

I dont think they need to be nerfed or removed from the daily random. I PUG well over 95% of the dungeons I run, and I really think I'm being generous with 2-3%. DLC dungeons, on normal, arent that bad. I'm fairly casual.

Fake tanks, or fake roles in general, aren't exclusive to DLC dungeons. I've seen more fake tanks vote kicked from DLC dungeons than from base dungeons. IMO that's not always a bad thing. I'll ackowledge the difference between "I'm new" or "I don't know the mechanics" and "I'm know I'm not a real tanks but the queue is aids!"

I find WGT or SCP much more interesting than COA or BC.

Yes, the normal DLC dungeons are easy enough, should be no issues for even a moderately skilled player there. I do understand some of the struggles with some of the newer vet DLC dungeons (vMHK can be irksome for uncoordinated groups who can't grasp the mechs, even powerful groups), but really, who wants to buy a game and faceroll all content on the first go? That would be a pretty stupid expectation to hold, all games have increasing difficulty levels.

Plus, it's a great feeling the first time you do complete something you have previously struggled with. I remember when vWGT was first released I used to dread it popping in the random vet queue. Now I can waltz it and carry the odd loser who gets into the queue. Of course, some of that is power creep but a lot is that I became better at the game by stepping up to the tougher challenges. No one ever moved ahead in life by standing still, games included.

vienna

When some of you mention how ''easy'' are DLC dungeons, how everyone is able to finish it and so on,..you have to play Eso in parallel universe, whenever I come across a DLC dungeon it's a strugle, usually frustration and this is a norm. Of course here gives many professional gamers for who is everything easy, how everyone else suck,....DLC dungeons are $$ content, people pay for it and get content which a casual player usually consider frustration, I wonder how many would click on >>refund<< button if they could.

FlyingSwan

vienna wrote: »

When some of you mention how ''easy'' are DLC dungeons, how everyone is able to finish it and so on,..you have to play Eso in parallel universe, whenever I come across a DLC dungeon it's a strugle, usually frustration and this

We mean DLC are easy in normal mode, not vet. The DLC dungeons can be challenging in vet, that is certainly true.

Sevn

vienna wrote: »

When some of you mention how ''easy'' are DLC dungeons, how everyone is able to finish it and so on,..you have to play Eso in parallel universe, whenever I come across a DLC dungeon it's a strugle, usually frustration and this is a norm. Of course here gives many professional gamers for who is everything easy, how everyone else suck,....DLC dungeons are $$ content, people pay for it and get content which a casual player usually consider frustration, I wonder how many would click on >>refund<< button if they could.

Some folks just can't wait to tell someone to l2p or just how awesome they are they can solo a dlc vet dungeon and if you can't you're part of the problem. Forum in a nutshell.

idk

Join up with someone who does not have access to the DLCs and you will not get the DLC dungeons. At least you cannot directly queue for them.

I have suggested multiple times that Zos could offer a toggle to include or exclude the DLC dungeons from the mix. It would be simple and Zos could keep the purple quality random reward for including the DLCs and if they are excluded the reward becomes blue quality as though it was someone's second run.

Really a simple solution and acknowledges that the random reward would be greater when greater risk and challenge is taken up.

FlyingSwan

idk wrote: »

Join up with someone who does not have access to the DLCs and you will not get the DLC dungeons. At least you cannot directly queue for them.

I have suggested multiple times that Zos could offer a toggle to include or exclude the DLC dungeons from the mix. It would be simple and Zos could keep the purple quality random reward for including the DLCs and if they are excluded the reward becomes blue quality as though it was someone's second run.

Really a simple solution and acknowledges that the random reward would be greater when greater risk and challenge is taken up.

But that's the same outcome as just running random normals, is it not? And if one is concerned about completing the vet DLC content, using the Finder to queue for random normals means the group will invariably complete the daily quest even if a DLC dungeon pops, and you still get 100k XP, I think the reward items are just subtly different.

So there's a solution already for avoiding the harder content, just queue for a random normal. I do this sometimes, if I don't have much time that day but want to do the daily run, I'll queue random normal as I know I'll complete whatever the Finder throws at me.

I don't really understand why this keeps coming up, just run random normals, the problem goes away and you still get the all important XP reward.

Agenericname

vienna wrote: »

When some of you mention how ''easy'' are DLC dungeons, how everyone is able to finish it and so on,..you have to play Eso in parallel universe, whenever I come across a DLC dungeon it's a strugle, usually frustration and this is a norm. Of course here gives many professional gamers for who is everything easy, how everyone else suck,....DLC dungeons are $$ content, people pay for it and get content which a casual player usually consider frustration, I wonder how many would click on >>refund<< button if they could.

I never said they were "easy." I said they're not that bad. As long as you're with a halfway reasonable group they're not.

What part of DLC dungeons do you find frustrating? The mechanics or the people?

DMuehlhausen

vienna wrote: »

When some of you mention how ''easy'' are DLC dungeons, how everyone is able to finish it and so on,..you have to play Eso in parallel universe, whenever I come across a DLC dungeon it's a strugle, usually frustration and this is a norm. Of course here gives many professional gamers for who is everything easy, how everyone else suck,....DLC dungeons are $$ content, people pay for it and get content which a casual player usually consider frustration, I wonder how many would click on >>refund<< button if they could.

These people don't use the dungeon finder. The go in guild groups or friends all communicating on Discord or something. This makes them easy.

That being said if people were just more patient and helped other people learn they would become easy in PuGs too. One of the best examples is HOR (Halls of Reflection) back in WoW. When that first came out only a few groups could get through it. Eventually people go in with even undergeared people and get through it since people knew what to do.

Part of the problem with ESO and the dungeon design is the bosses take to long to kill, unless you are able to just Zerg it, and then most of the mechanics you have to look out for are all one shot kills. So if you lag for a second, or just lose focus for a split second you can cause a wipe. Most well designed dungeons don't use one shot mechanics. It gives you a chance to recover if something random happens.

Crafts_Many_Boxes

FlyingSwan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Join up with someone who does not have access to the DLCs and you will not get the DLC dungeons. At least you cannot directly queue for them.

I have suggested multiple times that Zos could offer a toggle to include or exclude the DLC dungeons from the mix. It would be simple and Zos could keep the purple quality random reward for including the DLCs and if they are excluded the reward becomes blue quality as though it was someone's second run.

Really a simple solution and acknowledges that the random reward would be greater when greater risk and challenge is taken up.

But that's the same outcome as just running random normals, is it not? And if one is concerned about completing the vet DLC content, using the Finder to queue for random normals means the group will invariably complete the daily quest even if a DLC dungeon pops, and you still get 100k XP, I think the reward items are just subtly different.

So there's a solution already for avoiding the harder content, just queue for a random normal. I do this sometimes, if I don't have much time that day but want to do the daily run, I'll queue random normal as I know I'll complete whatever the Finder throws at me.

I don't really understand why this keeps coming up, just run random normals, the problem goes away and you still get the all important XP reward.

First off, you miss out on the chance for monster helms. Upgrading jewelry from blue to purple is also kind of a pain, but that's a lesser point.

Monster helms aside though, there are many groups that can't even complete DLC dungeons. True, WGT and ICP are mostly puggable on normal these days, but ROM and COS are more hit-or-miss, and so is scalecaller peak and bloodroot forge. Haven't done the new ones yet, haven't been able to field a good group and I'm not gonna pug em right away haha.

Point being, even doing random normal is rolling the dice. even if you can carry dps hard, it doesn't necessarily mean the group can get through it.

FlyingSwan

Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »

FlyingSwan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Join up with someone who does not have access to the DLCs and you will not get the DLC dungeons. At least you cannot directly queue for them.

I have suggested multiple times that Zos could offer a toggle to include or exclude the DLC dungeons from the mix. It would be simple and Zos could keep the purple quality random reward for including the DLCs and if they are excluded the reward becomes blue quality as though it was someone's second run.

Really a simple solution and acknowledges that the random reward would be greater when greater risk and challenge is taken up.

But that's the same outcome as just running random normals, is it not? And if one is concerned about completing the vet DLC content, using the Finder to queue for random normals means the group will invariably complete the daily quest even if a DLC dungeon pops, and you still get 100k XP, I think the reward items are just subtly different.

So there's a solution already for avoiding the harder content, just queue for a random normal. I do this sometimes, if I don't have much time that day but want to do the daily run, I'll queue random normal as I know I'll complete whatever the Finder throws at me.

I don't really understand why this keeps coming up, just run random normals, the problem goes away and you still get the all important XP reward.

First off, you miss out on the chance for monster helms. Upgrading jewelry from blue to purple is also kind of a pain, but that's a lesser point.

Monster helms aside though, there are many groups that can't even complete DLC dungeons. True, WGT and ICP are mostly puggable on normal these days, but ROM and COS are more hit-or-miss, and so is scalecaller peak and bloodroot forge. Haven't done the new ones yet, haven't been able to field a good group and I'm not gonna pug em right away haha.

Point being, even doing random normal is rolling the dice. even if you can carry dps hard, it doesn't necessarily mean the group can get through it.

That's a good point about the helms, forgot that. Stopped bothering with them except some of the new ones. And when I was after a certain helm, I tended to farm a particular dungeon until the right trait popped for the helm. But then I guess you can still select the dungeons you know you can do/contain helms you want, and hit queue. After the first random run the XP bonus is negligible anyway.

In my recent experience, and it is of course different for everyone, the only time I had to abandon a group in a random normal was nMHK. And the group certainly could have got through it, if they'd actually read the tips I was typing into chat, as it was just one mechanic they were ignoring over and over. But after typing how to deal with it several times and yet watching them running about like mindless twits and repeatedly dying to the same thing, I decided a nice cup of tea was a better option!

But yes, the panacea is as the poster above says, run the tougher vet content with guildies, using Discord if one is unfamiliar with mechs etc., as it's way easier to co-ordinate using Discord than typing.

db0ssman

I agree to this to an extent, but it would create a lot of logical problems. I sherpa pugs through DLC dungeons all the time on my healer, so I don't mind explaining mechanics, building my healer around helping roles that struggle, or even letting some people die to mechanics if they are really interested in learning how the dungeons work. On the flip side you sometimes run into groups that just steamroll it and you don't have to explain anything and just heal through the mechanics. That's one of the more interesting parts of PUGs is that you never really know what the dungeon is going to be like.

I agree with the skipping of DLC dungeons only because they can take pretty long to complete, and not because I don't think I'll be able to complete them. If you roll croutons of mozzarella sticks, even in a good group you will probably take 30 min. If you end up with a few weak members and need to explain stuff and the overall dps is low, that dungeon can easily take 45 min to an hour. Because of that, I can't really queue for a random NM unless I know I have at least an hour to play the dungeon (and it's more like 2 hours for a vet dungeon). Non-dlc dungeons can almost all be completed under 30 minutes no matter the group (BC-II may be one of the few exceptions to this. If your group is capped at 20k dps, you will probably not be able to heal through 6 daedroth & death circles while destroying healing balls).

The problem this would create, though, is that the vast majority of people would opt not to queue with DLC dungeons available. That means it could take hours to get a DLC dungeon to pop if it's not the daily undaunted.

weg0

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

weg0 wrote: »

Nope. And boy do I wish they would at least limit those who could auto queue into one. Just don’t let someone auto queue into one until they have at least one of the vet achievements. What a big waste of time it usually ends up being when 2 or 3 don’t have any business being there.

You have to be 300 cp to get into any of the more recent DLC dungeons, 160 for Cyrodil ones I believe..

Oh I know... but that is far from enough... considering how many people have just powerleveled to cp 160 and 300. My point about 2 or 3 people not being anywhere close to ready for the dlc vet dungeons is valid. I am not a cp snob, i know some that are 160 or just a shade above that have researched builds and rotations that certainly pull their weight. in my opinion it is not a cp issue it is a l2p issue.

robpr

When you go to quick 1 hour play to just do the daily random for a crystal...aaaand it's Bloodrot Forge. Rip your time.

MooseKnuckles88

FlyingSwan wrote: »

MooseKnuckles88 wrote: »

I agree, I'd like to exclude from dlcs in a random too

Erm. Well, 'random dungeon' would be something of an oxymoron if you could do that ;-)

Well I just wanna queue for a random dungeon so long as there's no dlcs as a possibility. 😀 I have a list of reasons why I rather not pug a dlc with a bunch of random people.

El_Borracho

I would be okay with DLC dungeons being excluded from the daily random. I know ESO said that players under CP 300 are kept out of DLC dungeons, but I've seen several sub-200 players in the random vet daily when it was MOS. Don't know how they got in there. Didn't go so well.

ruengdet2515

Don't understand why we need dun-finder.

Why not zone chat lfm, lfg dun-name then choose mode 'n/v' before enter and run as much as you can.