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Stamdens needs to be nerfed down in PvP
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MinarasLaure✭✭✭✭Stamden performs great in pvp, but its mediocre in pve.
There is no way zos can "nerf" stamden without destroying magden, so they won't ever touch them.
The only reason why stamden > magden is because the stamina skills, cause all the other skills are shared between the two.
So they only way to nerf stamden would be nerving weapon skill lines.0 -
Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭Or just buff your skill. Problem solved.
You kill 1v1 tankwardens boi?
When i say tanks i dont mean the 30k+ HP ones, tanks is heavy armor + sword and board or HYBRID in modern ESO language.
If you do kill them, teach us senpai because from what i see my magsorcs BOTH shields are getting bursted down in 1.5 sec while i struggle to low him to 50% hp when he does like 5-6 mistakes in a row like all these heavy armor plebs do.
I will mention again, the best tank warden EU-PC-Vivec as a magblade dies in 2min while as a magsorc dies in like 3-4 min. As warden tho he needs a zerg of 15 to kill it @ his 30k hp.
Spare me that BS please.0 -
_Ahala_✭✭✭✭✭
✭IMO shalks and merciless resolve need to get the freaky Friday treatment. It would adequately balance both classes
Can we please not hurt the Deep Fussure morph in the process... Unless Magdens get an execute, an actually good stun and a dps rework for the winters embrace tree, a nerf to Deep Fissure would just add insult to injuryEdited by _Ahala_ on October 11, 2018 4:24PM2 -
Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭IMO shalks and merciless resolve need to get the freaky Friday treatment. It would adequately balance both classes
Can we please not hurt the Deep Fussure morph in the process... Unless Magdens get an execute, an actually good stun and a dps rework for the winters embrace tree, a nerf to Deep Fissure would just add insult to injury
Shalks are fine, merciless is not as its the only skill ingame that hits almost as much as hard as execute's do IN execute range and that is ridiculous(in pve, in pvp it hits harder than executes)
The warden prob is their insane amount of abilities they have to heal with and stack them with vigor, something that a magden cant do plus on top of that no magica class has MIGHTY DAWNBREAKER cheapest and best ulti ingame(after the harvest/incap ofc because whineblades are the exception of the exceptions)Edited by Nicko_Lps on October 11, 2018 4:30PM2 -
MooseKnuckles88✭✭✭✭MinarasLaure wrote: »Stamden performs great in pvp, but its mediocre in pve.
There is no way zos can "nerf" stamden without destroying magden, so they won't ever touch them.
The only reason why stamden > magden is because the stamina skills, cause all the other skills are shared between the two.
So they only way to nerf stamden would be nerving weapon skill lines.
While magden and stamden share some skills, pvp stamden and pve stamden share even less.
And believe me, if the Murkmire update says anything, they can certainly 'destroy' one side of the class and not the other.0 -
Nord_Raseri✭✭✭✭✭
✭*** offVeit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.6 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IMO shalks and merciless resolve need to get the freaky Friday treatment. It would adequately balance both classes
Can we please not hurt the Deep Fussure morph in the process... Unless Magdens get an execute, an actually good stun and a dps rework for the winters embrace tree, a nerf to Deep Fissure would just add insult to injury
Shalks are fine, merciless is not as its the only skill ingame that hits almost as much as hard as execute's do IN execute range and that is ridiculous(in pve, in pvp it hits harder than executes)
The warden prob is their insane amount of abilities they have to heal with and stack them with vigor, something that a magden cant do plus on top of that no magica class has MIGHTY DAWNBREAKER cheapest and best ulti ingame(after the harvest/incap ofc because whineblades are the exception of the exceptions)
That’s actually the weakness of the warden too. The buff rotation is so involved that between buffing, break free, and snare removal, the warden has very few global cool downs left to use dmg abilities.
Wardens don’t win dueling tournaments and they are far from the strongest 1vX class.
They only excel when shalks are stacked in a small group or even a large group setting.
I’m sorry man but this seems like a learn to play issue. Wardens are OP, but not for the reasons you describe.
Edit: for an example, if you’re fighting a “tank” warden that is running both lotus and vines, and somehow also has enough mag for shimmering shield and ice fortress, i can guarantee you two things:
1. He’s got some mag regen somewhere. Those buffs are not sustainable otherwise
2. He’s missing some damage abilities. Probably an execute. Definitely no root.
If you stun him on cooldown and root him every 6s or so, all of his GCDs will go towards buff uptime. The warden burst combo requires a 3s setup, but with CC pressure you’ll be forcing him to either not finish his combo or to do his combo at the expense of dropping his buffs... at which point you should hit him with your own combo.
Most people move away from the warden class because the buff rotation can be very involved. It’s a valid criticism... and make no mistake, every global cooldown a warden spends casting a buff is a global cooldown a nightblade would have used applying pressure / doing dmg.Edited by Thogard on October 11, 2018 5:32PMPC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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CritsTheBed✭✭✭✭Everyone complaining about stam wardens or any Stam wearing heavy running speed imovs and forward momentum, you'll get some relief next patch. While Stam Warden has so many pros and zero cons, without speed pots and having to cast forward momentum every 4 seconds they'll be WAY less intimidating.0
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SpacemanSpiff1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭how about some buffs for a change?Edited by SpacemanSpiff1 on October 11, 2018 5:24PM3 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why would you want to nerf a class that you can play when they have nerfed so many into crafters and dust collectors?
Why not ask for buffs instead to the other classes, then these constant nerf threads?Instead of trying to kill something that killed you, be productive and ask for things to make every class usable again and fun. The game would be so much better from buffing then nerfing. There use to be so many unique builds, smh.2 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »Why would you want to nerf a class that you can play when they have nerfed so many into crafters and dust collectors?
Why not ask for buffs instead to the other classes, then these constant nerf threads?Instead of trying to kill something that killed you, be productive and ask for things to make every class usable again and fun. The game would be so much better from buffing then nerfing. There use to be so many unique builds, smh.
Because, no one class should have everything.1 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
No nerfs are needed. Nerfs are always needed when some subclass can hit every tick in the book. Making everything OP doesn't balance a game.
I love how people QQ getting other classes nerfed but when it's their main's turn, they ask for other classes to be buffed.
Most people actually play all of the classes and have 3 favs. If you are having problems with stamdens in PvP then play one if they are so great. They're not my top choice but they're a fun class. Nerfs are not always needed but sometimes breaks are, if you are getting that bitter over a video game that is supposed to be fun.0 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »Why would you want to nerf a class that you can play when they have nerfed so many into crafters and dust collectors?
Why not ask for buffs instead to the other classes, then these constant nerf threads?Instead of trying to kill something that killed you, be productive and ask for things to make every class usable again and fun. The game would be so much better from buffing then nerfing. There use to be so many unique builds, smh.
Because, no one class should have everything.
They don't, lol. That are a good class but they die just fine. Though the only problem I have is not being able to find enough of them in cyro, to fin quickly, so I can get back to the board in a decent amount of time.Edited by Girl_Number8 on October 11, 2018 6:37PM1 -
Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭IMO shalks and merciless resolve need to get the freaky Friday treatment. It would adequately balance both classes
Can we please not hurt the Deep Fussure morph in the process... Unless Magdens get an execute, an actually good stun and a dps rework for the winters embrace tree, a nerf to Deep Fissure would just add insult to injury
Shalks are fine, merciless is not as its the only skill ingame that hits almost as much as hard as execute's do IN execute range and that is ridiculous(in pve, in pvp it hits harder than executes)
The warden prob is their insane amount of abilities they have to heal with and stack them with vigor, something that a magden cant do plus on top of that no magica class has MIGHTY DAWNBREAKER cheapest and best ulti ingame(after the harvest/incap ofc because whineblades are the exception of the exceptions)
That’s actually the weakness of the warden too. The buff rotation is so involved that between buffing, break free, and snare removal, the warden has very few global cool downs left to use dmg abilities.
Wardens don’t win dueling tournaments and they are far from the strongest 1vX class.
They only excel when shalks are stacked in a small group or even a large group setting.
I’m sorry man but this seems like a learn to play issue. Wardens are OP, but not for the reasons you describe.
Edit: for an example, if you’re fighting a “tank” warden that is running both lotus and vines, and somehow also has enough mag for shimmering shield and ice fortress, i can guarantee you two things:
1. He’s got some mag regen somewhere. Those buffs are not sustainable otherwise
2. He’s missing some damage abilities. Probably an execute. Definitely no root.
If you stun him on cooldown and root him every 6s or so, all of his GCDs will go towards buff uptime. The warden burst combo requires a 3s setup, but with CC pressure you’ll be forcing him to either not finish his combo or to do his combo at the expense of dropping his buffs... at which point you should hit him with your own combo.
Most people move away from the warden class because the buff rotation can be very involved. It’s a valid criticism... and make no mistake, every global cooldown a warden spends casting a buff is a global cooldown a nightblade would have used applying pressure / doing dmg.
L2P issues?
You know the sustain nowadays is gained via constitution + argonian passive mostly, the rest are dps sets.
Wardens are not good in 1v1? Wardens not good in 1vX ? Shall we buff wardens bud? What exactly needs a buff, please share it with us
When a class stacks 3 heals + heavy armor + a fairly good burst that is by far not balanced, dont get me wrong i found wardens that can die in like 20 sec but im strictly talking about decent players here and only.0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
No nerfs are needed. Nerfs are always needed when some subclass can hit every tick in the book. Making everything OP doesn't balance a game.
I love how people QQ getting other classes nerfed but when it's their main's turn, they ask for other classes to be buffed.
Most people actually play all of the classes and have 3 favs. If you are having problems with stamdens in PvP then play one if they are so great. They're not my top choice but they're a fun class. Nerfs are not always needed but sometimes breaks are, if you are getting that bitter over a video game that is supposed to be fun.
Because no class should have a complete kit and stam wardens exist by stealing the very pros of other classes.Edited by susmitds on October 11, 2018 6:44PM0 -
OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How about this? We don't nerf them and ZOS work on the other classes? I mean it seems like an endless cycle of "I don't like that, it's OP, nerf it" Just stop. Imagine where Wardens would be if shalks were never nerfed? They'd probably be in a much better spot. I remember when they were going to nerf it and all of the players who complained basically said: "good, now they can improve the other skills." LMAO... no... they won't... at least not quickly. ZOS changes classes gradually, which is fine but it takes a long time.
So why don't we just sit back and let them buff other classes/playstyles to where some balanced ones are. It's an endless cycle of them trying to bring other classes up to par and then having to listen to the nerf threads and nerf classes and abilities and now those buffs they did first make the classes OP instead of balanced. That's why we have a cycle of: Class A being on top, now they suck, Class B is on top now, nope... now they are in the middle. Class C is getting stronger, nope... now in the dumpster.
And no, I don't have a Stamden. My main is a Magden and my other character I play is a Magsorc.
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susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »How about this? We don't nerf them and ZOS work on the other classes? I mean it seems like an endless cycle of "I don't like that, it's OP, nerf it" Just stop. Imagine where Wardens would be if shalks were never nerfed? They'd probably be in a much better spot. I remember when they were going to nerf it and all of the players who complained basically said: "good, now they can improve the other skills." LMAO... no... they won't... at least not quickly. ZOS changes classes gradually, which is fine but it takes a long time.
So why don't we just sit back and let them buff other classes/playstyles to where some balanced ones are. It's an endless cycle of them trying to bring other classes up to par and then having to listen to the nerf threads and nerf classes and abilities and now those buffs they did first make the classes OP instead of balanced. That's why we have a cycle of: Class A being on top, now they suck, Class B is on top now, nope... now they are in the middle. Class C is getting stronger, nope... now in the dumpster.
And no, I don't have a Stamden. My main is a Magden and my other character I play is a Magsorc.
Cause, no one class should have every thing. If other classes are buffed to have everything as well, then all classes become the same thing with different themes.0 -
Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »How about this? We don't nerf them and ZOS work on the other classes? I mean it seems like an endless cycle of "I don't like that, it's OP, nerf it" Just stop. Imagine where Wardens would be if shalks were never nerfed? They'd probably be in a much better spot. I remember when they were going to nerf it and all of the players who complained basically said: "good, now they can improve the other skills." LMAO... no... they won't... at least not quickly. ZOS changes classes gradually, which is fine but it takes a long time.
So why don't we just sit back and let them buff other classes/playstyles to where some balanced ones are. It's an endless cycle of them trying to bring other classes up to par and then having to listen to the nerf threads and nerf classes and abilities and now those buffs they did first make the classes OP instead of balanced. That's why we have a cycle of: Class A being on top, now they suck, Class B is on top now, nope... now they are in the middle. Class C is getting stronger, nope... now in the dumpster.
And no, I don't have a Stamden. My main is a Magden and my other character I play is a Magsorc.
This game is balanced by forum whining.
As a magsorc that now i have every right in this game to counter-whine the whiners.
n1 whiner in forums is ofc the nightblades since 2014
n2 whiner in forums is warden class.
While
N1 nerfed class right now is magsorcs
N2 nerfed class is DK, that obviously started doing better after years of being useless bcz of mighty whineblades.
The first thing you see in patch notes comment is: NO BUFFS TO WARDENS YET?
Therefore, you MUST point out what is wrong in this game and as stated above counter-whine the whiners.
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OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »How about this? We don't nerf them and ZOS work on the other classes? I mean it seems like an endless cycle of "I don't like that, it's OP, nerf it" Just stop. Imagine where Wardens would be if shalks were never nerfed? They'd probably be in a much better spot. I remember when they were going to nerf it and all of the players who complained basically said: "good, now they can improve the other skills." LMAO... no... they won't... at least not quickly. ZOS changes classes gradually, which is fine but it takes a long time.
So why don't we just sit back and let them buff other classes/playstyles to where some balanced ones are. It's an endless cycle of them trying to bring other classes up to par and then having to listen to the nerf threads and nerf classes and abilities and now those buffs they did first make the classes OP instead of balanced. That's why we have a cycle of: Class A being on top, now they suck, Class B is on top now, nope... now they are in the middle. Class C is getting stronger, nope... now in the dumpster.
And no, I don't have a Stamden. My main is a Magden and my other character I play is a Magsorc.
Cause, no one class should have every thing. If other classes are buffed to have everything as well, then all classes become the same thing with different themes.
I am not saying other classes should have everything, I am basically just saying that nerfing has never been a solution in this game and often just lead to more problems.1 -
iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stamden is fine, heavy armor is what allows them to shine. Major fracture from their burst skills allows them to deal incredible damage while still remaining very tanky (the very reason shields were supposedly nerfed) Dawnbreaker + spin to win is currently very strong, particularly against mag classes.
Suggestion: give mag classes easier access to major evasion like stamina toons have. No nerfs needed.
Stamden is actually a well designed class in pvp and it would be nice if the other classes had such synergy.Edited by iCaliban on October 11, 2018 7:05PM0 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
No nerfs are needed. Nerfs are always needed when some subclass can hit every tick in the book. Making everything OP doesn't balance a game.
I love how people QQ getting other classes nerfed but when it's their main's turn, they ask for other classes to be buffed.
Most people actually play all of the classes and have 3 favs. If you are having problems with stamdens in PvP then play one if they are so great. They're not my top choice but they're a fun class. Nerfs are not always needed but sometimes breaks are, if you are getting that bitter over a video game that is supposed to be fun.
Because no class should have a complete kit and stam wardens exist by stealing the very pros of other classes.
They really don't. Though which classes do you play in PvP besides sorc? Also, do you just play bgs or do you actually play cp cyro?1 -
_Ahala_✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is why Magden cant have nice things... people rage and rage and rage about PvP Stamden on the forums while identifying them as Wardens in general and then zos reads this and nerfs the Warden class every single patch while somehow missing the point completely and hurting Magden much more than Stamden… This is what happens when the Stam and Mag counterparts of a class use all the same class skills just with different morphs due to a lack of damaging abilities and way too many buffs skills... I guess Stamden will continue to fill its arsenal what it lacks in mobility, executes, and stuns with weapon abilities and Magden will remain a meme... As long as zos refuses to give Magden an execute, an actually good stun with some damage, and more damaging abilities in the winters embrace tree, whatever is done to balance Stamden will unbalance Magden further1 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »Girl_Number8 wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
No nerfs are needed. Nerfs are always needed when some subclass can hit every tick in the book. Making everything OP doesn't balance a game.
I love how people QQ getting other classes nerfed but when it's their main's turn, they ask for other classes to be buffed.
Most people actually play all of the classes and have 3 favs. If you are having problems with stamdens in PvP then play one if they are so great. They're not my top choice but they're a fun class. Nerfs are not always needed but sometimes breaks are, if you are getting that bitter over a video game that is supposed to be fun.
Because no class should have a complete kit and stam wardens exist by stealing the very pros of other classes.
They really don't. Though which classes do you play in PvP besides sorc? Also, do you just play bgs or do you actually play cp cyro?
Not a sorc main. My lowest AR across 12 chars is 18.Edited by susmitds on October 11, 2018 7:07PM0 -
Tonturri✭✭✭✭✭Lol yeah, stamdens are OP. The way they put on heavy armor, dawn breaker and steel tornado is -wait, those aren't warden skills. Dw, heavy armor sets and dawn breaker op?
Shimmering shield needs its magicka refund removed (maybe a small cost decrease, I forget the base cost atm), then we can go from there.2 -
DeadlyPhoenix✭✭✭✭✭SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
Problem is, when people start saying can you please buff this class to do as well as others, you get people calling them stupid. Never seen a "buff this class" be met with anything but hostility from the majority of players.0 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »Girl_Number8 wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
No nerfs are needed. Nerfs are always needed when some subclass can hit every tick in the book. Making everything OP doesn't balance a game.
I love how people QQ getting other classes nerfed but when it's their main's turn, they ask for other classes to be buffed.
Most people actually play all of the classes and have 3 favs. If you are having problems with stamdens in PvP then play one if they are so great. They're not my top choice but they're a fun class. Nerfs are not always needed but sometimes breaks are, if you are getting that bitter over a video game that is supposed to be fun.
Because no class should have a complete kit and stam wardens exist by stealing the very pros of other classes.
They really don't. Though which classes do you play in PvP besides sorc? Also, do you just play bgs or do you actually play cp cyro?
Not a sorc main. My lowest AR across 12 chars is 18.
You still didn't answer what classes you play? Also, you didn't answer if you just play bgs or cp cyro. How can anyone give you advice if you don't provide any information?0 -
Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
Problem is, when people start saying can you please buff this class to do as well as others, you get people calling them stupid. Never seen a "buff this class" be met with anything but hostility from the majority of players.
This game is balanced via forum whining.
If you dont counter whine the forum whiners you end up like nerfmire magsorcs.
Whining leads to balance in ESO3
