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Holy Crap, I think My Ears Are Bleeding...

Tyrobag
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"Blaggerd"? Friken "Blaggerd"?!?! Its Blackguard, why the hell are NPCs in the Murkmire prologue saying "blaggerd"? I seriously want to punch a hole in my computer every time they say it. Screw the shield nerf, this is the biggest atrocity ZoS has ever committed.

The Blackguards get their name from Blackrose Prison, it is a combining of Black and Guard, and should be pronounced as such. As a RL example, the Redskins' name is not pronounced the "Resins" (although that might be a more racially sensitive name, that is a different debate entirely). As an in game example Captain Blackheart's name was not pronounced "Blaggert".

Seriously, how the heck did this make it through?? Did they get tired of nerfing the game, and decided to nerf the English language as well?
Edited by Tyrobag on October 9, 2018 12:49AM
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    Upgrade your sound device


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  • runagate
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    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/blackguard

    The etymology of the English word "blackguard" also comes from black+guard, but clearly the people who named the in-game guards of the blackrose prison got their inspiration from this word, thus the pronunciation (which is fascinatingly strange to ear in the US which is presumably why it was chosen to be pronounced that way in-game).

    From https://www.etymonline.com/word/blackguard
    blackguard (n.)
    1530s, "scullion, kitchen knave," of uncertain origin. Perhaps in reference to military units or attendants so called for the color of their dress or their character; more likely originally a mock-military reference to scullions and kitchen-knaves of noble households, of black-liveried personal guards, and of shoeblacks. See black (adj.) + guard (n.). By 1736, sense had emerged of "one of the idle criminal class; man of coarse and offensive manners." Hence the adjectival use (1784), "of low or worthless character."
  • Tyrobag
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    If I could update it to remove that non-word from existence I would. Seriously though, how would that help? The problem is the atrocious pronunciation, not the sound quality (which is fine).
  • Kalik_Gold
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    Instead of saying Blackguard... they are intentionally saying Blaggard.

    blaggard. Noun. (plural blaggards) (dated) A scoundrel; an unprincipled contemptible person; an untrustworthy person.
    Main Character:
    Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige

    PvP Pure-class:
    Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
    Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
    Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
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    Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer

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    Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer (Tank)
    Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer (Healer)
    Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade (Bomber)
    Two-Big-Horns an Argonian Arcanist /Sorcerer
    Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden (Ice-Theme)

    PvE:
    Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
    Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar (Healer)
    Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Redguard** Dragonknight (Raid Damage) --- Name change needed

    PvE: Specialty
    Tyrus Septim an Imperial Sorcerer (Dungeon Damage)
    Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden (Arenas)
    Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade (Thief)

    Leveling...
    Styx of Akatosh a Goblin*** Arcanist --- Race change needed
    Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Lycan Sorcerer
    Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
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    __________________________Backstories:_________________________

    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
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  • JD2013
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    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/blaggard

    This is what they mean by it.
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  • Mirelurk
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    The Oxford English Dictionary disagrees with the op https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/blackguard
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  • redspecter23
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    It's mimicing the way people in real life can't seem to say things. I hear "ravenger" about 3 times more often than the correct "ravager". These NPC's perhaps are just poking a bit of fun?
  • Elsonso
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    This thread is amusing given that the dialog in the game makes reference to this.
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  • Waffennacht
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    According to the dictionary I'm looking at; the word, "blackguard" is indeed pronounced "blaggard"

    I had no idea
    Edited by Waffennacht on October 9, 2018 1:21AM
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  • prof-dracko
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    This thread is amusing given that the dialog in the game makes reference to this.

    One of the Argonians you need to talk to explicitly states they're pronouncing it that way intentionally. Do people just breeze through dialogue, because that's how you miss important stuff.
  • Elsonso
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    This thread is amusing given that the dialog in the game makes reference to this.

    One of the Argonians you need to talk to explicitly states they're pronouncing it that way intentionally. Do people just breeze through dialogue, because that's how you miss important stuff.

    I had to chuckle when the Argonian said that. In hindsight, she was talking to the forum. It is like they knew this would come up. :smile:
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  • TheRealPotoroo
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    Blaggard is indeed the correct pronunciation of blackguard. If the OP wanted to complain about Nerevarine, though, he'd be on to something.
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  • MrGarlic
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    Have you never heard of of 'Bueachamp St John.' :)

    'Inglish is a funny langwidge.'

    :)
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  • ArchMikem
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    Whats funny is theres an NPC down the line saying its legit pronounced that way and we're getting it wrong. :p
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  • HappyLittleTree
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    https://youtube.com/watch?v=tvbVg36NPtM

    There you go I found this magical recording stating how the word is pronounced.

    An egg breathren of mine even stated that it is intentional to pronounce it that way it was rather amusing.

    See? Now you can swim in the river of newfound wisdom.

    Stay moist my friend!

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  • Ostacia
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    Blackguard is pronounced "blaggerd", sort of like how cupboard is not "cupboard", but "cubberd"...
    Edited by Ostacia on October 10, 2018 8:30AM
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  • Shraar
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    Maybe you're confused by the fictional RED-GUARDS, but the word "blackguard" is not pronounced the same way. It really is pronounced like "blaggard" as you wrote.

    Edit: I am basing this off of Dragon's Dogma, the video game, from that merchant outside Cassardis attacked by goblins and his "blackguard father".
    Edited by Shraar on October 10, 2018 8:33AM
  • FrancisCrawford
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    According to the dictionary I'm looking at; the word, "blackguard" is indeed pronounced "blaggard"

    I had no idea

    I was born in the United States long ago, and have lived here ever since, and I often struggle with pronunciation. (My parents were immigrants and as a young child I was bilingual.)
  • Nyladreas
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    Tyrobag wrote: »
    "Blaggerd"? Friken "Blaggerd"?!?! Its Blackguard, why the hell are NPCs in the Murkmire prologue saying "blaggerd"? I seriously want to punch a hole in my computer every time they say it. Screw the shield nerf, this is the biggest atrocity ZoS has ever committed.

    The Blackguards get their name from Blackrose Prison, it is a combining of Black and Guard, and should be pronounced as such. As a RL example, the Redskins' name is not pronounced the "Resins" (although that might be a more racially sensitive name, that is a different debate entirely). As an in game example Captain Blackheart's name was not pronounced "Blaggert".

    Seriously, how the heck did this make it through?? Did they get tired of nerfing the game, and decided to nerf the English language as well?

    Read more books? Lol.
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    Just be thankfull those things can speak
  • OrdoHermetica
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    Shraar wrote: »
    Maybe you're confused by the fictional RED-GUARDS, but the word "blackguard" is not pronounced the same way. It really is pronounced like "blaggard" as you wrote.

    Edit: I am basing this off of Dragon's Dogma, the video game, from that merchant outside Cassardis attacked by goblins and his "blackguard father".

    Also, amusingly, "reggard" would actually be closer to the "ra gada" root than Redguard is.

    That's it, I'm calling Redguards "reggards" from here on out.
  • logarifmik
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    All NPCs in the prologue acts like imbeciles, that is what bothers me more.
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  • DirkRavenclaw
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    I for one love that they have a complete different Accent, and Im happy they didnt choose Scotish or Irish English as example, or else we wouldnt even understand half of it :)
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  • maboleth
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    Exqusouse mi for mai inglish bat whoat is d problem?

    "Blkacguard" is pronaunsd layka BLAKGAAAD. Pronaunceeayshon difers from per son to per son, no neid to penick!
    Oll gud mai frend!
  • Vicarra
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    I assume the OP must be from the US in order to be so confounded by this word. The original word "black heart" evolved (or....devolved) in common parlance amongst the lower classes to become "blaggard" or "blaggerd" in 18th century "English" English, but sounds so similar to a swiftly-spoken "black guard" that the two are often synonymous, in much the same way as "God blind me" became "Cor blimey" and "mistress" became "missus" and then "mrs". Some words are devolved differently depending on the regional dialect, so it's often possible through written text to determine the place of origin of a character in a book depending on how certain words are spelled and what words and phrases are used in a lot of older literature. I suspect that where proper English words are dropped into the ES world, it's done to surprise and delight the US playerbase because they sound so alien and funny to you - but since they use them correctly, to my ears it seems natural and proper for them to be there since they fit with the setting. I find the Americanisms much more jarring, annoying and ear-bleed inducing.

    TL:DR - crack open a book from the 18th to early 20th centuries, you'll be astounded at the sort of words you'll stumble across.
    Edited by Vicarra on October 10, 2018 9:55AM
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  • Androconium
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    This thread is amusing given that the dialog in the game makes reference to this.

    One of the Argonians you need to talk to explicitly states they're pronouncing it that way intentionally. Do people just breeze through dialogue, because that's how you miss important stuff.

    eh?
  • Neoealth
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    I suspect most English players knew this. Funny to see the non native English speakers get triggered by this.
  • Shraar
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    I wonder if @Tyrobag will come back to this thread, learn from it and become more intelligent, and have a more humble attitude going forward?
  • Waseem
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    this is like calling @Krokvo Krokov
  • Ratzkifal
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    @Tyrobag Change your game to German and you'll have lots of pronounced consonants. Furthermore the German translation is speaking correcter German than most Germans do. (Evidence #1: the correct usage of "ergibt Sinn" instead of commonly misused "macht Sinn") :P

    @Neoealth There are lot of things wrong with the English language that bother non-native speakers ^^
    Take the gh in enough, the o in women and the ti in any word ending with -tion and you get ghoti = fish.
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