Hello! My name is Jimmy and I leave chests open!

SirAndy · October 2018

twev wrote: »

Chests and nodes disappear after you loot them completely empty, to respawn later. Leaving loot inside delays the despawn.

That is simply false.

The respawn timer starts the moment a player interacts with the chest/node/whatever. It makes absolutely no difference if you fully loot or leave items, the respawn timer is the same.

The only thing that effects the respawn timer is how many other players are in the area. The more players, the shorter the respawn time.

SteveCampsOut · October 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Your feelings were hurt, but the chest will respawn properly even if there's stuff in it, after a while it will just disappear.

You're not going to lose anything, not skill points, not loot, as the chest wouldn't have respawned anyways.

Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

Has this been documented somewhere or are you simply making an unfounded assertion? I've been playing since Beta and this is the FIRST time I've heard this claim that chests with 1 item in them will respawn. Call me skeptical but I want to see official word on this tidbit!

qbit · October 2018

I think mods chasing you and doing damage only to holster weapon and run back to their spawn location without taking your damage is a bigger issue to fix. It’s just annoying and dumb. I appreciate the free worms the last guy left in the chest. Had he taken those, the chest would have been gone when I came upon it anyway.

Chest respawn timer starts when it’s opened.

Edit: and not just the mods chasing you but also the mobs.

SirAndy · October 2018

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Your feelings were hurt, but the chest will respawn properly even if there's stuff in it, after a while it will just disappear.
You're not going to lose anything, not skill points, not loot, as the chest wouldn't have respawned anyways.
Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

Has this been documented somewhere or are you simply making an unfounded assertion? I've been playing since Beta and this is the FIRST time I've heard this claim that chests with 1 item in them will respawn. Call me skeptical but I want to see official word on this tidbit!

I've been playing since beta and it has always been like that.

Anything public (not instanced to you) will respawn on a timer that starts the moment someone interacts with it.

Leaving loot in it makes absolutely no difference in terms of respawn timing ...

PS: You can easily test this yourself ...
PPS: The only thing that affects respawn timers is the number of players nearby. The more players, the shorter the respawn time.

Jayman1000 · October 2018

Are you for real? You want to penalize players that throws mudballs and leaves chests open...? or are you just kidding...

Clearly ZOS intented the game to work like this.

Judas Helviaryn · October 2018

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Your feelings were hurt, but the chest will respawn properly even if there's stuff in it, after a while it will just disappear.

You're not going to lose anything, not skill points, not loot, as the chest wouldn't have respawned anyways.

Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

Has this been documented somewhere or are you simply making an unfounded assertion? I've been playing since Beta and this is the FIRST time I've heard this claim that chests with 1 item in them will respawn. Call me skeptical but I want to see official word on this tidbit!

I have personally tested this, just within the last month. The chests I had partially looted disappeared exactly ten minutes from the moment I had opened them.

SteveCampsOut · October 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Your feelings were hurt, but the chest will respawn properly even if there's stuff in it, after a while it will just disappear.
You're not going to lose anything, not skill points, not loot, as the chest wouldn't have respawned anyways.
Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

Has this been documented somewhere or are you simply making an unfounded assertion? I've been playing since Beta and this is the FIRST time I've heard this claim that chests with 1 item in them will respawn. Call me skeptical but I want to see official word on this tidbit!

I've been playing since beta and it has always been like that.

Anything public (not instanced to you) will respawn on a timer that starts the moment someone interacts with it.

Leaving loot in it makes absolutely no difference in terms of respawn timing ...

PS: You can easily test this yourself ...
PPS: The only thing that affects respawn timers is the number of players nearby. The more players, the shorter the respawn time.

Thanks. I've just never seen it mentioned before now and no thanks on the self testing. I did enough "Testing" in Beta to last a life time.

kirasdream · October 2018

People like that grind my gears too, and having some sort of solution would be great other than the ban hammer since it is a wee bit harsh.

On another note,

Snaekd wrote: »

Or that a blazing mark saying "I'M A BAD BOY, DON'T GO NEAR ME" appears over heads of all his characters and follows them to the very character selection menu.

Can this be applied to persistent ERPers who stalk people in the Rift too? Though I know a lot of them would keep would just replace the last four words with a different request...

Androconium · October 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Snaekd wrote: »

prof-dracko wrote: »

Sometimes when I'm bored I go around zones and unlock chests without looting anything. Is that being helpful or not? Genuine question, but if you came across an unlocked chest that still had 100ish gold, malachite shards ect. would you be mad or annoyed?

Neither. People usually farm for rare and expensive set items, so whether the chest is locked or not makes little difference.

It does, actually, because the respawn timer starts when the chest is opened, not when it's emptied.

Simply put, you're upset you found a chest with things you didn't want, when the alternative was not finding the chest at all.

Your feelings were hurt, but the chest will respawn properly even if there's stuff in it, after a while it will just disappear.

You're not going to lose anything, not skill points, not loot, as the chest wouldn't have respawned anyways.

Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

VaranisArano wrote: »

SaxonCrusader wrote: »

Anyone else have a better way of trying to comprehend what's going on? The passivity and awkwardly condescending politeness isn't really my cup of tea.

OP is really annoyed by people who leave their trash in chests instead of clearing them and wants them shamed and punished.

Personally, I find it annoying to run up to a chest only to find I'm getting no exp, no gold, and trash. I think the people who do that are jerks.

But I don't think they need to be punished. I just wish they would decide to be more polite and pick up after themselves.

I beg to differ

When 150 slots are reserved for PvE and PvP gear, and your bank is already full of stuff to deconstruct, stuff you're not sure it's going to be good next patch, but someone told you it will, and your mules with stuff you crafted to try out, yeah, it's not.

I have 8 toons, and 6 of them only have less than 10 free slots at all times.

Not one of them has trash, only keeping pieces I need to transmute, rings to deconstruct, mats to upgrade...

Oh, right, not everyone can afford to sub for crafting bags, I suppose that's my fault as well ?

Enjoy the worms and the training blue rubedite swords.

Androconium wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

my bad my bags are just always full and its a pain to go delete like 3 things for trash

Full of what?

oh dear, my inventory is full! whatever shall I do? I know!! I'll go open a few treasure chests!!!111ioneone

not counting the gear I'm currently wearing (5 pieces BSW + 4 pieces Mother Sorrow + 2 pieces Zaan):

5 pieces Mother Sorrow (body)
5 pieces Master Architect (body)
4 pieces Master Architect (jewelry + staff)
2 pieces Grothdarr
4 pieces Valkyn Skoria (2 divines, 2 impen)
2 pieces Zaan (2 impen)
2 pieces Ilambris
5 pieces Impregnable (body)
5 piece Impregnable (jewelry + 2 staves)
5 pieces Vicious Death (jewelry + staff + greatsword)
5 pieces Livewire (body)
5 pieces Bahraha's curse (jewelry + shield + axe)
2 pieces Molag Kena
2 pieces Swarm Mother
2 pieces Master Shield+Master Sword
2 pieces Maelstrom Shield + Maelstrom Sword
2 pieces Troll King
5 pieces War Maiden (body)
4 pieces Moondancer (jewelry + staff)
4 pieces Infallible Aether (jewelry + staff)
3 pieces Willpower (jewelry)
1 Maelstrom Inferno Staff
1 Maelstrom Lightning Staff
1 Maelstrom Ice Staff
1 Maelstrom Restoration Staff
1 Master Inferno Staff
1 Asylum Inferno Staff
1 Inferno staff of Torug's Pact
4 pieces Wizard's Riposte (jewelry + staff)
Grand Repair kits
Potion of Spell Power
Essence of Magicka
Essence of Immovability
Keep Door Woodwork Repair Kit
Keep Wall Masonry Repair Kit
Longfin Pastry with Melon Sauce
Melon-Baked Parmesan Pork
Witchmother's Potent Brew
Grand Amnesty Edict
Counterfeit Pardon Edict
Lockpicks
Soul Gems
Pocket Guide for Kick the Khajiit
Guild Tabard
Ancient Scales
Casserite Sand
Dried Blood
Iridium Grains
Malachite Shards
Platinum Dust
Pulverized Antimony
Pulverized Aurbic Amber
Pulverized Cobalt
Pulverized Dibellum
Pulverized Titanium
Raw Ancestor Silk
Rough Ruby Ash
Rubedite Ore
Rubedite Hide Scraps
Terne Grains
Zircon Grains
Chromium Grains

I'm sorry, do you want me to go on ?

Not everyone is a casual, some of us enjoy different types of content, that requires different types of gear. Does that mean I need to refrain from farming so that your feelings are not hurt ?

Everything you have said epitomises the problem. I'll acknowledge your point that you might need all that stuff for any conceivable situation. Presumably you spend most of your game play "in action". It must be painful to wait for you to rummage through all that stuff looking for the right gear, at the right time. I normally just die.

But because YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED to manage your own inventory, you expect me to do a better job with mine, by dealing with the trash you leave behind. As such a hoarder, it MUST be trash for you to leave it.

No ESO+? OK. You are ENTITLED to have 8 chars and a bank inventory. That still gives over 1000 slots.

Please empty some of them before you go farming. I can't comprehend what you might be looking for....

qbit · October 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Your feelings were hurt, but the chest will respawn properly even if there's stuff in it, after a while it will just disappear.
You're not going to lose anything, not skill points, not loot, as the chest wouldn't have respawned anyways.
Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

Has this been documented somewhere or are you simply making an unfounded assertion? I've been playing since Beta and this is the FIRST time I've heard this claim that chests with 1 item in them will respawn. Call me skeptical but I want to see official word on this tidbit!

I've been playing since beta and it has always been like that.

Anything public (not instanced to you) will respawn on a timer that starts the moment someone interacts with it.

Leaving loot in it makes absolutely no difference in terms of respawn timing ...

PS: You can easily test this yourself ...
PPS: The only thing that affects respawn timers is the number of players nearby. The more players, the shorter the respawn time.

Mission accomplished and thank you for answering his question. I usually don’t come back to threads I semi-troll with unfortunate truths no one wants to hear.

Jeremy · October 2018

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

People who leave garbage in chests are almost as bad as people who specifically wait for you to be fighting the mobs near a chest and then steal the chest from you.

Honestly, a lot of this could be improved through instancing chests. Just sayin'. Other games do it, and it works fine.

instancing chests and nodes would be a wise move if they wanted to avoid contributing to player friction. They already do it with treasure maps and surveys.

And don't be too hard on those people who wait for others to fight mobs near a chest or node to grab it. Because if they hand't had waited, it's likely the same thing would have just been done to them.

Tucker3711 · October 2018

*claps*

DaveMoeDee · October 2018

One possible way to address this is to make partially harvested nodes/chests look different.

Glurin · October 2018

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

One possible way to address this is to make partially harvested nodes/chests look different.

Yeah. They should look like this:

CadaCosa · October 2018

Developers please don't put trash in the treasure chests in the first place.

Only gold, lots of gold.

D0PAMINE · October 2018

CadaCosa wrote: »

Developers please don't put trash in the treasure chests in the first place.

Only gold, lots of gold.

AFAIK the trash are intended research pieces/decon fodder in terms of gear and now jewelry.

idrankyourbeer · October 2018

set up a scavenger hunt. announce in zone chat youve left a certain weapon behind in a chest somewhere in the zone, but forgot to take it, and offer a whole bunch of gold to the person who finds it, launders it and returns it to you

or just lie about it and have everybody running around aimlessly looking for a chest that doesnt exist.

Androconium · October 2018

D0PAMINE wrote: »

CadaCosa wrote: »

Developers please don't put trash in the treasure chests in the first place.

Only gold, lots of gold.

AFAIK the trash are intended research pieces/decon fodder in terms of gear and now jewelry.

Well, no. It is intended to be an array of useful items. Obviously based on what RNJesus thinks is useful.
Yes, you can decon the stuff you don't need and get the mats that you can subsequently sell and acquire trait items that you don't have to pay for. Proving again, why it is preferable to take it all.

It becomes 'trash' when someone else takes the cherries out of the 'random' equation. Finding 15 'OPEN' chests in a row shows that some folk are just interested in the BIG finds. The rest of us only need a couple of those and happily play the random game.

Or we COULD just stand a chest location for ten minutes waiting to prove or disprove the respawn theory.
No-one really has ten minutes to stand around waiting; that's why no-one really knows how respawn really works.

If I've learned anything about this game's trading, it's that you can sell everything you find.
There's more people looking for ten bananas than there are looking for a Mother's Sorrow Inferno staff of any colour.

Let's keep talking about spawn timers then, shall we?

jainiadral · October 2018

bearbelly wrote: »

jainiadral wrote: »

Just had some @#$@#$@#$ dump an enemy on me as I was trying to open a chest, then he stole it out from under me.

Stuff like that is a caveat to the change in my perspective mentioned above.

Running around purposely being a jerk because you get-off on causing grief for other people is just childish.

But I feel the only cure for this pervasive lack of courtesy, since, as you say, bringing it up only serves to incite people to intensify that behavior, is an extinction-level event. Humanity, as a whole, isn't mature enough to change on its own, for its own sake.

Just my asocial lone wolf two gp.

You know, I have those moments too where I wonder if there's any hope for the species as a whole. Then I remember all the people who don't do these things. For the most part, 90-95% of the species as a whole is just minding its own business, doing its own thing, basically getting through the day as generally decent people. It's the minority, the 5-10% that's borking things up for the rest of us. We're just programmed to remember the crap. Thanks, evolution!

Get enough of the 10% to be truly awful and you spread the bad behavior-- which seems to be what's happening. It's that kind of bad thinking that leads to larger scale human problems like the global tragedy of the commons.

Task for myself tonight: Notice and appreciate the 90%.

Jeremy wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

People who leave garbage in chests are almost as bad as people who specifically wait for you to be fighting the mobs near a chest and then steal the chest from you.

Honestly, a lot of this could be improved through instancing chests. Just sayin'. Other games do it, and it works fine.

And don't be too hard on those people who wait for others to fight mobs near a chest or node to grab it. Because if they hand't had waited, it's likely the same thing would have just been done to them.

How about no? Because most people won't nab it. I opened one heck of a lot of chests last night with a leveling toon and
a huge crowd of players in the area. Only one idiot dumped enemies on top of me to grab said chest. This player deserves no slack whatsoever.

Androconium wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Snaekd wrote: »

prof-dracko wrote: »

Sometimes when I'm bored I go around zones and unlock chests without looting anything. Is that being helpful or not? Genuine question, but if you came across an unlocked chest that still had 100ish gold, malachite shards ect. would you be mad or annoyed?

Neither. People usually farm for rare and expensive set items, so whether the chest is locked or not makes little difference.

It does, actually, because the respawn timer starts when the chest is opened, not when it's emptied.

Simply put, you're upset you found a chest with things you didn't want, when the alternative was not finding the chest at all.

Your feelings were hurt, but the chest will respawn properly even if there's stuff in it, after a while it will just disappear.

You're not going to lose anything, not skill points, not loot, as the chest wouldn't have respawned anyways.

Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

VaranisArano wrote: »

SaxonCrusader wrote: »

Anyone else have a better way of trying to comprehend what's going on? The passivity and awkwardly condescending politeness isn't really my cup of tea.

OP is really annoyed by people who leave their trash in chests instead of clearing them and wants them shamed and punished.

Personally, I find it annoying to run up to a chest only to find I'm getting no exp, no gold, and trash. I think the people who do that are jerks.

But I don't think they need to be punished. I just wish they would decide to be more polite and pick up after themselves.

I beg to differ

When 150 slots are reserved for PvE and PvP gear, and your bank is already full of stuff to deconstruct, stuff you're not sure it's going to be good next patch, but someone told you it will, and your mules with stuff you crafted to try out, yeah, it's not.

I have 8 toons, and 6 of them only have less than 10 free slots at all times.

Not one of them has trash, only keeping pieces I need to transmute, rings to deconstruct, mats to upgrade...

Oh, right, not everyone can afford to sub for crafting bags, I suppose that's my fault as well ?

Enjoy the worms and the training blue rubedite swords.

Androconium wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

my bad my bags are just always full and its a pain to go delete like 3 things for trash

Full of what?

oh dear, my inventory is full! whatever shall I do? I know!! I'll go open a few treasure chests!!!111ioneone

not counting the gear I'm currently wearing (5 pieces BSW + 4 pieces Mother Sorrow + 2 pieces Zaan):

5 pieces Mother Sorrow (body)
5 pieces Master Architect (body)
4 pieces Master Architect (jewelry + staff)
2 pieces Grothdarr
4 pieces Valkyn Skoria (2 divines, 2 impen)
2 pieces Zaan (2 impen)
2 pieces Ilambris
5 pieces Impregnable (body)
5 piece Impregnable (jewelry + 2 staves)
5 pieces Vicious Death (jewelry + staff + greatsword)
5 pieces Livewire (body)
5 pieces Bahraha's curse (jewelry + shield + axe)
2 pieces Molag Kena
2 pieces Swarm Mother
2 pieces Master Shield+Master Sword
2 pieces Maelstrom Shield + Maelstrom Sword
2 pieces Troll King
5 pieces War Maiden (body)
4 pieces Moondancer (jewelry + staff)
4 pieces Infallible Aether (jewelry + staff)
3 pieces Willpower (jewelry)
1 Maelstrom Inferno Staff
1 Maelstrom Lightning Staff
1 Maelstrom Ice Staff
1 Maelstrom Restoration Staff
1 Master Inferno Staff
1 Asylum Inferno Staff
1 Inferno staff of Torug's Pact
4 pieces Wizard's Riposte (jewelry + staff)
Grand Repair kits
Potion of Spell Power
Essence of Magicka
Essence of Immovability
Keep Door Woodwork Repair Kit
Keep Wall Masonry Repair Kit
Longfin Pastry with Melon Sauce
Melon-Baked Parmesan Pork
Witchmother's Potent Brew
Grand Amnesty Edict
Counterfeit Pardon Edict
Lockpicks
Soul Gems
Pocket Guide for Kick the Khajiit
Guild Tabard
Ancient Scales
Casserite Sand
Dried Blood
Iridium Grains
Malachite Shards
Platinum Dust
Pulverized Antimony
Pulverized Aurbic Amber
Pulverized Cobalt
Pulverized Dibellum
Pulverized Titanium
Raw Ancestor Silk
Rough Ruby Ash
Rubedite Ore
Rubedite Hide Scraps
Terne Grains
Zircon Grains
Chromium Grains

I'm sorry, do you want me to go on ?

Not everyone is a casual, some of us enjoy different types of content, that requires different types of gear. Does that mean I need to refrain from farming so that your feelings are not hurt ?

Everything you have said epitomises the problem. I'll acknowledge your point that you might need all that stuff for any conceivable situation. Presumably you spend most of your game play "in action". It must be painful to wait for you to rummage through all that stuff looking for the right gear, at the right time. I normally just die.

But because YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED to manage your own inventory, you expect me to do a better job with mine, by dealing with the trash you leave behind. As such a hoarder, it MUST be trash for you to leave it.

No ESO+? OK. You are ENTITLED to have 8 chars and a bank inventory. That still gives over 1000 slots.

Please empty some of them before you go farming. I can't comprehend what you might be looking for....

Giving global access to either a full or limited crafting bag might help eliminate this kind of behavior or instancing chests. A lot of bad behavior can be engineered away with reasonable systems.

SirAndy · October 2018

Androconium wrote: »

No-one really has ten minutes to stand around waiting; that's why no-one really knows how respawn really works.

Dude/Dudette, seriously? Many of us have tested this, some extensively. And then there's the devs that confirmed how the timer works long after we already knew.

Just because *you* don't know how it works doesn't mean "no-one really knows".

It really just means you don't know ...

Androconium · October 2018

Androconium wrote: »

Let's keep talking about spawn timers then, shall we?

Androconium · October 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

No-one really has ten minutes to stand around waiting; that's why no-one really knows how respawn really works.

Dude/Dudette, seriously? Many of us have tested this, some extensively. And then there's the devs that confirmed how the timer works long after we already knew.

Just because *you* don't know how it works doesn't mean "no-one really knows".

It really just means you don't know ...

That's all nice and stuff. I'm choosing to ignore it.
As I said before, this issue has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with respawn timers. It's a red herring.

Jeremy · October 2018

jainiadral wrote: »

bearbelly wrote: »

jainiadral wrote: »

Just had some @#$@#$@#$ dump an enemy on me as I was trying to open a chest, then he stole it out from under me.

Stuff like that is a caveat to the change in my perspective mentioned above.

Running around purposely being a jerk because you get-off on causing grief for other people is just childish.

But I feel the only cure for this pervasive lack of courtesy, since, as you say, bringing it up only serves to incite people to intensify that behavior, is an extinction-level event. Humanity, as a whole, isn't mature enough to change on its own, for its own sake.

Just my asocial lone wolf two gp.

You know, I have those moments too where I wonder if there's any hope for the species as a whole. Then I remember all the people who don't do these things. For the most part, 90-95% of the species as a whole is just minding its own business, doing its own thing, basically getting through the day as generally decent people. It's the minority, the 5-10% that's borking things up for the rest of us. We're just programmed to remember the crap. Thanks, evolution!

Get enough of the 10% to be truly awful and you spread the bad behavior-- which seems to be what's happening. It's that kind of bad thinking that leads to larger scale human problems like the global tragedy of the commons.

Task for myself tonight: Notice and appreciate the 90%.

Jeremy wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

People who leave garbage in chests are almost as bad as people who specifically wait for you to be fighting the mobs near a chest and then steal the chest from you.

Honestly, a lot of this could be improved through instancing chests. Just sayin'. Other games do it, and it works fine.

And don't be too hard on those people who wait for others to fight mobs near a chest or node to grab it. Because if they hand't had waited, it's likely the same thing would have just been done to them.

How about no? Because most people won't nab it. I opened one heck of a lot of chests last night with a leveling toon and
a huge crowd of players in the area. Only one idiot dumped enemies on top of me to grab said chest. This player deserves no slack whatsoever.

Androconium wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Snaekd wrote: »

prof-dracko wrote: »

Sometimes when I'm bored I go around zones and unlock chests without looting anything. Is that being helpful or not? Genuine question, but if you came across an unlocked chest that still had 100ish gold, malachite shards ect. would you be mad or annoyed?

Neither. People usually farm for rare and expensive set items, so whether the chest is locked or not makes little difference.

It does, actually, because the respawn timer starts when the chest is opened, not when it's emptied.

Simply put, you're upset you found a chest with things you didn't want, when the alternative was not finding the chest at all.

Your feelings were hurt, but the chest will respawn properly even if there's stuff in it, after a while it will just disappear.

You're not going to lose anything, not skill points, not loot, as the chest wouldn't have respawned anyways.

Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

VaranisArano wrote: »

SaxonCrusader wrote: »

Anyone else have a better way of trying to comprehend what's going on? The passivity and awkwardly condescending politeness isn't really my cup of tea.

OP is really annoyed by people who leave their trash in chests instead of clearing them and wants them shamed and punished.

Personally, I find it annoying to run up to a chest only to find I'm getting no exp, no gold, and trash. I think the people who do that are jerks.

But I don't think they need to be punished. I just wish they would decide to be more polite and pick up after themselves.

I beg to differ

When 150 slots are reserved for PvE and PvP gear, and your bank is already full of stuff to deconstruct, stuff you're not sure it's going to be good next patch, but someone told you it will, and your mules with stuff you crafted to try out, yeah, it's not.

I have 8 toons, and 6 of them only have less than 10 free slots at all times.

Not one of them has trash, only keeping pieces I need to transmute, rings to deconstruct, mats to upgrade...

Oh, right, not everyone can afford to sub for crafting bags, I suppose that's my fault as well ?

Enjoy the worms and the training blue rubedite swords.

Androconium wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

my bad my bags are just always full and its a pain to go delete like 3 things for trash

Full of what?

oh dear, my inventory is full! whatever shall I do? I know!! I'll go open a few treasure chests!!!111ioneone

not counting the gear I'm currently wearing (5 pieces BSW + 4 pieces Mother Sorrow + 2 pieces Zaan):

5 pieces Mother Sorrow (body)
5 pieces Master Architect (body)
4 pieces Master Architect (jewelry + staff)
2 pieces Grothdarr
4 pieces Valkyn Skoria (2 divines, 2 impen)
2 pieces Zaan (2 impen)
2 pieces Ilambris
5 pieces Impregnable (body)
5 piece Impregnable (jewelry + 2 staves)
5 pieces Vicious Death (jewelry + staff + greatsword)
5 pieces Livewire (body)
5 pieces Bahraha's curse (jewelry + shield + axe)
2 pieces Molag Kena
2 pieces Swarm Mother
2 pieces Master Shield+Master Sword
2 pieces Maelstrom Shield + Maelstrom Sword
2 pieces Troll King
5 pieces War Maiden (body)
4 pieces Moondancer (jewelry + staff)
4 pieces Infallible Aether (jewelry + staff)
3 pieces Willpower (jewelry)
1 Maelstrom Inferno Staff
1 Maelstrom Lightning Staff
1 Maelstrom Ice Staff
1 Maelstrom Restoration Staff
1 Master Inferno Staff
1 Asylum Inferno Staff
1 Inferno staff of Torug's Pact
4 pieces Wizard's Riposte (jewelry + staff)
Grand Repair kits
Potion of Spell Power
Essence of Magicka
Essence of Immovability
Keep Door Woodwork Repair Kit
Keep Wall Masonry Repair Kit
Longfin Pastry with Melon Sauce
Melon-Baked Parmesan Pork
Witchmother's Potent Brew
Grand Amnesty Edict
Counterfeit Pardon Edict
Lockpicks
Soul Gems
Pocket Guide for Kick the Khajiit
Guild Tabard
Ancient Scales
Casserite Sand
Dried Blood
Iridium Grains
Malachite Shards
Platinum Dust
Pulverized Antimony
Pulverized Aurbic Amber
Pulverized Cobalt
Pulverized Dibellum
Pulverized Titanium
Raw Ancestor Silk
Rough Ruby Ash
Rubedite Ore
Rubedite Hide Scraps
Terne Grains
Zircon Grains
Chromium Grains

I'm sorry, do you want me to go on ?

Not everyone is a casual, some of us enjoy different types of content, that requires different types of gear. Does that mean I need to refrain from farming so that your feelings are not hurt ?

Everything you have said epitomises the problem. I'll acknowledge your point that you might need all that stuff for any conceivable situation. Presumably you spend most of your game play "in action". It must be painful to wait for you to rummage through all that stuff looking for the right gear, at the right time. I normally just die.

But because YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED to manage your own inventory, you expect me to do a better job with mine, by dealing with the trash you leave behind. As such a hoarder, it MUST be trash for you to leave it.

No ESO+? OK. You are ENTITLED to have 8 chars and a bank inventory. That still gives over 1000 slots.

Please empty some of them before you go farming. I can't comprehend what you might be looking for....

Giving global access to either a full or limited crafting bag might help eliminate this kind of behavior or instancing chests. A lot of bad behavior can be engineered away with reasonable systems.

Then you're lucky. I have people run up and grab nodes and chests from me while I'm fighting on a regular basis. So there comes a point in time when a lot of people understandably just say to hell with it, and grab what they can. Plus I have actually sat there and waited for someone to finish fighting near a node only to have them wind up not even being interested in the damn thing to begin with - and then have someone else scoot by and grab it.

Ultimately, it's just a node, or a chest. It's not a big deal. So I no longer let it bother me. If you want to blame someone - I would blame the developers. They were the ones who designed it like this and made nodes and chests pop right by monster spawns. Plus, I've had people cuss me out for supposedly stealing their nodes when I didn't even see them. I told him i would be more than happy to give him his precious 3 ore if he wanted it. But I guess that wasn't good enough.

lientier · October 2018

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

lientier wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

lientier wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

lientier wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Snaekd wrote: »

prof-dracko wrote: »

Sometimes when I'm bored I go around zones and unlock chests without looting anything. Is that being helpful or not? Genuine question, but if you came across an unlocked chest that still had 100ish gold, malachite shards ect. would you be mad or annoyed?

Neither. People usually farm for rare and expensive set items, so whether the chest is locked or not makes little difference.

It does, actually, because the respawn timer starts when the chest is opened, not when it's emptied.

Simply put, you're upset you found a chest with things you didn't want, when the alternative was not finding the chest at all.

Your feelings were hurt, but the chest will respawn properly even if there's stuff in it, after a while it will just disappear.

You're not going to lose anything, not skill points, not loot, as the chest wouldn't have respawned anyways.

Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

VaranisArano wrote: »

SaxonCrusader wrote: »

Anyone else have a better way of trying to comprehend what's going on? The passivity and awkwardly condescending politeness isn't really my cup of tea.

OP is really annoyed by people who leave their trash in chests instead of clearing them and wants them shamed and punished.

Personally, I find it annoying to run up to a chest only to find I'm getting no exp, no gold, and trash. I think the people who do that are jerks.

But I don't think they need to be punished. I just wish they would decide to be more polite and pick up after themselves.

I beg to differ

When 150 slots are reserved for PvE and PvP gear, and your bank is already full of stuff to deconstruct, stuff you're not sure it's going to be good next patch, but someone told you it will, and your mules with stuff you crafted to try out, yeah, it's not.

I have 8 toons, and 6 of them only have less than 10 free slots at all times.

Not one of them has trash, only keeping pieces I need to transmute, rings to deconstruct, mats to upgrade...

Oh, right, not everyone can afford to sub for crafting bags, I suppose that's my fault as well ?

Enjoy the worms and the training blue rubedite swords.

Androconium wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

my bad my bags are just always full and its a pain to go delete like 3 things for trash

Full of what?

oh dear, my inventory is full! whatever shall I do? I know!! I'll go open a few treasure chests!!!111ioneone

not counting the gear I'm currently wearing (5 pieces BSW + 4 pieces Mother Sorrow + 2 pieces Zaan):

5 pieces Mother Sorrow (body)
5 pieces Master Architect (body)
4 pieces Master Architect (jewelry + staff)
2 pieces Grothdarr
4 pieces Valkyn Skoria (2 divines, 2 impen)
2 pieces Zaan (2 impen)
2 pieces Ilambris
5 pieces Impregnable (body)
5 piece Impregnable (jewelry + 2 staves)
5 pieces Vicious Death (jewelry + staff + greatsword)
5 pieces Livewire (body)
5 pieces Bahraha's curse (jewelry + shield + axe)
2 pieces Molag Kena
2 pieces Swarm Mother
2 pieces Master Shield+Master Sword
2 pieces Maelstrom Shield + Maelstrom Sword
2 pieces Troll King
5 pieces War Maiden (body)
4 pieces Moondancer (jewelry + staff)
4 pieces Infallible Aether (jewelry + staff)
3 pieces Willpower (jewelry)
1 Maelstrom Inferno Staff
1 Maelstrom Lightning Staff
1 Maelstrom Ice Staff
1 Maelstrom Restoration Staff
1 Master Inferno Staff
1 Asylum Inferno Staff
1 Inferno staff of Torug's Pact
4 pieces Wizard's Riposte (jewelry + staff)
Grand Repair kits
Potion of Spell Power
Essence of Magicka
Essence of Immovability
Keep Door Woodwork Repair Kit
Keep Wall Masonry Repair Kit
Longfin Pastry with Melon Sauce
Melon-Baked Parmesan Pork
Witchmother's Potent Brew
Grand Amnesty Edict
Counterfeit Pardon Edict
Lockpicks
Soul Gems
Pocket Guide for Kick the Khajiit
Guild Tabard
Ancient Scales
Casserite Sand
Dried Blood
Iridium Grains
Malachite Shards
Platinum Dust
Pulverized Antimony
Pulverized Aurbic Amber
Pulverized Cobalt
Pulverized Dibellum
Pulverized Titanium
Raw Ancestor Silk
Rough Ruby Ash
Rubedite Ore
Rubedite Hide Scraps
Terne Grains
Zircon Grains
Chromium Grains

I'm sorry, do you want me to go on ?

Not everyone is a casual, some of us enjoy different types of content, that requires different types of gear. Does that mean I need to refrain from farming so that your feelings are not hurt ?

well just leave some spots open for trash and if they fill up send them to a friend or just delete them from your inventory. I mean you can even use an addon (if youre on PC) to do it for you automatically (dustman) according to your wishes... your writing is no excuse. because yes people like you with a full inventory also find the trash annoying which YOU are leaving. And I think it also hurts the respawn rate. Though I havent tested it with stuff in the nodes, but mats generelly respawn if there are less mat nodes around!

Whether I pick up the trash or not, the chest is going to respawn in the same amount of time.

I have nothing to excuse, because the chest is going to respawn anyways. By leaving the stuff in I'm not going to prevent it from respawning.

It doesn't hurt the respawn rate, nor the respawn time, it only hurts your feelings.

Once you open the container (nodes, chests) the respawn timer starts. The respawn timer for that container is longer than the destruction timer, but they are not dependent on each other. It's not going to respawn faster if you pick everything up.

The reason why everyone makes such a big deal out of it is because they try to open the chest with high expectations, hoping to find who knows what treasure, and they get disappointed when they don't find anything.

Have a nice day.

well no. I dont know how the chests timer works. But I was talking about crafting nodes. There is no classic respawn timer. If a node respawns is dependend on the amount of -active- nodes around that one (probably in the same category, but seems more like every type). The question being: is a half looted crafting node still counted as active? I believe it is. But I can test it out on my favourite dense-node spot in bleakrock, where the clearing of nodes is in perfect balance with the circle you walk. Well actually no, I can't test it because I am a casual player but still own the crafting bag. Leaving garbage because you have limited inventory space for other people with also limited inventory space, when you can easily just delete stuff is still annoying and rude anyway.

Destroying the trash every time I pick something up is annoying for me as well, as I have to open the inventory, select destroy, confirm, then repeat for every other item, a task that takes from 10 to 20 seconds, while for you, you just have to ignore them: 0 seconds.

Considering I work for a living, and I have limited time to play, no, I'm sorry. You think I'm rude ? Well, I'm gonna cry myself to sleep tonight, and then get over it in the morning.

Have a nice day.

you play on PC, so you can just let dustman do the destroying automatically.
Also, yes I think you are rude and selfish, especially in your post above. Having limited time to play, having a job, as do I both, is no excuse for anyone for being rude and I dont know what it has to do with it.
You cant see from a distance if its half emtpy, it still takes the same amount for someone else to open the node.

Aisle is right, buddy. Chests are just another form of resource node, they operate the same way in game, and trigger their respawn timer as soon as they're opened. They do not reset the timer if interacted with in between the first access and countdown, you lose nothing for it.

On the subject of Dustman, I would never trust an add-on to manage my inventory specifically when it is designed to delete items permanently. Nothing against the author, but I didn't build it, so I won't risk it.

As far as being rude, all I see are people who never learned to handle disappointment with a healthy attitude, attacking others who are off minding their own business in the world.

If none of the ample past arguments have made it through to you, at the very least, there's this. If you don't want to find half empty nodes out in the game, you'd better make sure you get to them first.

Nobody owes you anything, nobody owes me anything. Especially not courtesy.

Well if chests are spawning like ressource nodes, then they are dependend on the amount of other chests around. I would be very interested if a halfemty node still counts as active. As far as I am aware there have been bots exploiting thie mechanism, because if you clear all the nodes in an area they instantly respawn. I don't think that happens with half emty nodes, because I never saw 2 nodes (one half emty and a full one) spawn at the same place, which then should happen, if all the other nodes are cleared.

As to your second part. I still think its annoying. I then would never penalize people or call them out in zone chat. As you say nobody owns anything. But even if nobody has to be courteous, it is still very appreciated

So far dustman works fine for me, I actually only let it destroy my 0value white trash. Because I pick everything up, with housing crafting I can use any extra improvement mat.

lientier · October 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

No-one really has ten minutes to stand around waiting; that's why no-one really knows how respawn really works.

Dude/Dudette, seriously? Many of us have tested this, some extensively. And then there's the devs that confirmed how the timer works long after we already knew.

Just because *you* don't know how it works doesn't mean "no-one really knows".

It really just means you don't know ...

I am still not convinced crafting nodes work the same. Anybody actually tested it? Or confirmation from the devs how they work and can quote that?

DanteYoda · October 2018

I loot everything and i sell everything.. Not what i'd call rocket science.

Glurin wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

One possible way to address this is to make partially harvested nodes/chests look different.

Yeah. They should look like this:

How did you make your rubbish bin levitate?

Glurin · October 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

I loot everything and i sell everything.. Not what i'd call rocket science.

Glurin wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

One possible way to address this is to make partially harvested nodes/chests look different.

Yeah. They should look like this:

How did you make your rubbish bin levitate?

It's a bug. Probably a large cockroach. I filed a report with the city but you know how it is. Trash day comes and goes, but they never get around to fixing it because they're too busy making sure the tax code is working properly and telling me I can't use so much insulation on my house. I mean, come on! What am I supposed to do when winter comes? Not to mention what they did to old man Mordan's dog. That was just mean. Poor thing will never be the same.

Gargath · October 2018

The issue is not the respawn timer, but when someone leaves trash in a chest/node, other people waste their time on approaching to that chest/node just to realize it's empty/rubbish. If you have no time, you should know you spoil the fun for others. If you choose to be rude because your time is short, well expect the rudeness in return.

Untill this is somehow improved by ZOS or people stop playing rude, an appropriate message on general chat should make them at least ashamed.

SirAndy · October 2018

lientier wrote: »

I am still not convinced crafting nodes work the same. Anybody actually tested it? Or confirmation from the devs how they work and can quote that?

Let me break this down for you:

"I am still not convinced crafting nodes work the same."
Do a search here, this has been discussed ad nauseam since beta, it's been thoroughly tested and the devs have confirmed it.

"Anybody actually tested it?"
Do a search here, this has been discussed ad nauseam since beta, it's been thoroughly tested and the devs have confirmed it.

"Or confirmation from the devs how they work and can quote that?"
Do a search here, this has been discussed ad nauseam since beta, it's been thoroughly tested and the devs have confirmed it.

Aisle9 · October 2018

Gargath wrote: »

The issue is not the respawn timer, but when someone leaves trash in a chest/node, other people waste their time on approaching to that chest/node just to realize it's empty/rubbish. If you have no time, you should know you spoil the fun for others. If you choose to be rude because your time is short, well expect the rudeness in return.

Untill this is somehow improved by ZOS or people stop playing rude, an appropriate message on general chat should make them at least ashamed.

If you see an unlocked chest, assume it's full of trash and just don't approach it.

There, I fixed your issue.

You're welcome.