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Stamdens needs to be nerfed down in PvP
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Dashmatt✭✭✭✭Stamdens are what every Stamina class should be like - actually having good Stamina morphs.
They seem OP because of how well they fit in with the current trend of Dawnbreaker, Steel Tornado and Vigor spam. Add Sub Assault and the AoE burst is crazy.
I don’t know what (if anything) needs a nerf, but I’m pretty sure it isn’t Wardens specifically.0 -
ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭forums are so "nerfcentric" because its easier to nerf one thing, rather than comming up with ideas to bring all other classes on par.Edited by ATomiX96 on October 8, 2018 4:19PM4 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think the average player is just clueless when it comes to stam wardens, hence why they're getting so many buffs. Ridiculous when you realize how strong they already are in the hands of a good player. Next patch they will be scary and a half."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Dreyloch✭✭✭✭✭Taking an objective look at this class, it is apparent to anyone how ridiculously OP this class is. While, there are/were other OP classes in ESO's history, there has never been a single class that can virtually do everything without any given weakness.
They have everything- NB levels of Sustain
- NB levels of Burst
- AoE Burst unmatched even considered the Proxi-Det days of the past
- Magplar levels of Self-heals
- DK-like Tankiness
Number one, did someone get a boo-boo from the nasty stamden??
Number two, for all the rest of the responders to this thread, the OP specifically mentions this is in BG's. I don't know how much of a difference that is from open world CP campaigns. Just thought I'd point that out ; )"The fear of Death, is often worse than death itself"1 -
The_Brosteen✭✭✭✭✭The combo is so easy to see coming, honestly I think it's like anything else, it's op in an Xv1 situation. 1v1 really just depends on how good they are. If you are being 1vX'd by a stamden, thats a personal problem.
The thing that really sets them apart is shimmering shield. Have such high ult gen and a low cost defensive ult makes fighting a good stam warden frustrating. Unless you're melee lul.1 -
Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭SaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
No nerfs are needed. Nerfs are always needed when some subclass can hit every tick in the book. Making everything OP doesn't balance a game.
I love how people QQ getting other classes nerfed but when it's their main's turn, they ask for other classes to be buffed.
My main's a Nightblade. And buffing all the other classes doesn't necessarily mean having to make them OP too, not that that statement makes sense to begin with as doing that means that none of them become OP by the end of it.
Difference is NBs, in spite of the fact that they are annoying af, have weaknesses. Stamdens have none.
If that's what you think then it's L2P...3 -
Hixtory✭✭✭✭Taking an objective look at this class, it is apparent to anyone how ridiculously OP this class is. While, there are/were other OP classes in ESO's history, there has never been a single class that can virtually do everything without any given weakness.
They have everything- NB levels of Sustain
- NB levels of Burst
- AoE Burst unmatched even considered the Proxi-Det days of the past
- Magplar levels of Self-heals
- DK-like Tankiness
L2P simple2 -
Defilted✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think the average player is just clueless when it comes to stam wardens, hence why they're getting so many buffs. Ridiculous when you realize how strong they already are in the hands of a good player. Next patch they will be scary and a half.
I do agree that next patch Stamdens will be very strong. I was surprised they received the buffs they did. I thought that Stamden PVP was in a good place.
I think what really happened was these buffs are meant for PVE(Based on some of the Dev comments), but are going to be a strong buff to PVP play. The fact that ZOS does not separate the game play types with battle spirit or whatever method they choose makes it hard to help one side without affecting the other negatively or positively.XBOX NA
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Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭AlexTheLion wrote: »getemshauna wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »NO. MORE. NERF. THREADS. THEY. ARE. GETTING. BORING.
Can't people suggest ideas on how to buff up the other classes in order to make them compete better and level out the playing field more instead of nerfing a specific class and then ending back up at square one again an update later?
As long as I never agree with nerfs, classes should have their strong and weak points. Stamden doesn't have weak points.
Stamden weak point is stamina nightblades so I think we now know what this thread is
more so stamplars, imo. The weakness of stamdens is high pressure melee builds. so even stamsorcs and both stam and mag dks can effectively cancel them out.0 -
RD065✭✭✭✭I don't even play a Warden and I hate this thread. And I agree, someone got owned and here they are. Can't we go a day without a nerf thread. Dang.7 -
magictucktuck✭✭✭✭✭usmguy1234 wrote: »magictucktuck wrote: »The ones that's hit really hard are squishy. Before I left for work I was in a random bg against a premade with two stamdens that hit really hard and they had two healers with them so they seemed unkillabe until you didn't run into them like a mindless zombie and you focus one at a time. Anything can seem op if you're not countering correctly. That's the point of being good reducing weaknesses. And I'm a Templar by the way, Magicka. I'm surprised people haven't been complaining about us. I feel pretty strong right now I'm tanky with good heals and can survive groups of pugs and still blow people up 1v1
Try doing that with any class that doesn't have templar level heals or purge and you're going to have a bad time.
I kind of agree. But I think that gets to the real issue which is heavy armor and healing in general. Just the way this game is made with no cooldowns and action combat (which is why us pvpers like it) if you're not in heavy armor with a healer you're going to get steamrolled. Any class is going to be op with a good player with heavy armor and heals behind them and u dont. When I fight anyone one on one weather I win or lose I can see what he or I did wrong and learn from it. But if you're by yourself or get a bg of new players against any even moderately organized group and you're the only one in heavy there is nothing you can do but stand back and pick off stragglers because your team just gets squished. TTK a medium and light user is litterally a second if they are not experienced and even then it's just spamming survival skills until oom against more than one decent player
I really think they should rework heavy to get rid of dmg. So u can't be a tank healer and kill people. But I know people would freak since it's been the norm for so long.
You either need to join the heavy armor "Zerg" mentality or don't join the ball fests in the middle. I stayed with medium untill summerset but it's just not fun anymore to play how I used to
I do have fun on my heavy Templar but it's a big skill/research gap for new players and very discouraging for them since they have no chance to learn unless they are dedicated and decide to research once they die or get yelled at enough. Or they just quit.
Sorry just got off track and rambling. I guess it's here for anyone to cares to read lol1 -
Crixus8000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's start something crazy, a buff thread! Stamdens and stamblade strong ? lets make others good too.
There is plenty of imbalance in the game, and some things that do overperform but when it comes to classes and most skills I think they are just well balanced and others could do with being balanced too. If a class is lacking I don't think others should be nerfed to be brought down to their level. Would be nice to be able to pick any class and play pvp without thinking your just gimping yourself because another class can do it better.0 -
phbell✭✭✭✭<sigh>
Another Nerf thread...
</sigh>
Why is that every time someone loses a fight in Cryodiil they have to start a Nerf thread?
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Actually_Goku✭✭✭✭The 2 things in this game that should be nerfed are Overload light attack’s spammabilty, and spin-to-win’s ridiculous execute %.2 -
Zardayne✭✭✭✭✭
Umm magwarden is also insane it's just not as braindead easy as Stamwarden.
You obviously have never played a magden and have no idea WTF you're talking about..I'd agree with you on Magdens in PVP but after a year and a half as a clunky, time delayed,buff laden magden I call BS on this statement.2 -
WreckfulAbandon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nerfs suck so I won't say that word again here. But Stamdens' class healing is too easy and strong when you look at the rest of their toolkit. They are countered only by stamblades. Thankfully their burst is clunky and telegraphed. But those self heals...PC NA
All my comments are regarding PvP0 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭PvE players please play some bgs get to high MMR then see how you feel about stam warden. Nerfing everything is not fun but some things are way out of control. Stam warden with DB shalk spin to win is one of them.
I say remove the the execute damage from steel tornado. It's a fine AOE at base damage the extra damage is just over kill at low health.1 -
BalticBlues✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Try a Warden first yourself before you praise it...
This class not even has a spammable finisher.1 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »Try a Warden first yourself before you praise it...
This class not even has a spammable finisher.
Nor do dks ur point6 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Stamdens are what every Stamina class should be like - actually having good Stamina morphs.
They seem OP because of how well they fit in with the current trend of Dawnbreaker, Steel Tornado and Vigor spam. Add Sub Assault and the AoE burst is crazy.
I don’t know what (if anything) needs a nerf, but I’m pretty sure it isn’t Wardens specifically.
Maybe if they added some kind of buff for people that would, perhaps reduce AOE damage taken by, say, 25% ?Minalan owes me a beer.
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Minie Mo - Stam/Magblade - DC
Woody Ron - Stamplar - DC
Aidee - Magsorc - DC
Notadorf - Stamsorc - DC
Khattman Doo - Stamblade - Relegated to Crafter, cos AD.3 -
Dreyloch✭✭✭✭✭I think the average player is just clueless when it comes to stam wardens, hence why they're getting so many buffs. Ridiculous when you realize how strong they already are in the hands of a good player. Next patch they will be scary and a half.
I do agree that next patch Stamdens will be very strong. I was surprised they received the buffs they did. I thought that Stamden PVP was in a good place.
I think what really happened was these buffs are meant for PVE(Based on some of the Dev comments), but are going to be a strong buff to PVP play. The fact that ZOS does not separate the game play types with battle spirit or whatever method they choose makes it hard to help one side without affecting the other negatively or positively.
Bolded, right there...Been saying the same thing for over 3 1/2 years. But PvP doesn't make the money that PvE does. So rather than try to fix this craptacular dumpster fire. ZoS just chooses to plow along making everyone on both sides of play...beyond fustrated =/
It will come around though. Might be a little slow, but this game will eventually have exceptional competition, and the players will just walk away.
"The fear of Death, is often worse than death itself"1 -
Lutallo✭✭✭It isn’t stamdens in isolation. You can do the same with any other class. It’s just Dawnbreaker - Steel Tornado. Wardens just have nice class buffs and Subterranean makes it that little bit better. Stamsorc is pretty much just as effective."Rock is too OP, please nerf"
Sincerely, Scissors.1 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Every day there is another nerf thread because some guy in PVP lost to another guy who probably said something mean in zone chat.
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