Why did Zos make city guards immortal?
geekboy09
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It’s really not fair. Why can’t we kill them?
Edited by geekboy09 on October 8, 2018 3:40AM 1
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MattT1988✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think they’re morals are quite upstanding myself. Sure you have your corrupt few but they’re few and far between.
EDIT: OP fixed his typo. It was originally ‘immoral’.Edited by MattT1988 on October 8, 2018 3:44AM8 -
ProfessorKittyhawk✭✭✭✭✭
✭Back when they were preparing the justice system they originally intended a open world pvp element where other players could act as guards or bounty hunters to exact justice against criminal players. But they scrapped that idea for the justice system when worries about player griefing were raised. Thus, guards are immortal to keep entire city populations from being massacred. There have been videos where a huge group of people tried killing a guard and got them to 0 hp but it didn't die. Wound up using a one hit kill move against everyone aggroed against it called Riot Control.
All that aside, it's fairly easy to avoid and/or escape the guards. Especially at higher levels.Edited by ProfessorKittyhawk on October 8, 2018 3:45AM10 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭City guard is the only type of law enforcement in the game if they were removed I wouldn't see any challenge from criminal activities.Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.3 -
MattT1988✭✭✭✭✭
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LOL well in that case, they’re immortal so groups can’t just roll through a town, kill all the guards and steal and murder without challenge.0 -
geekboy09✭✭✭✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Back when they were preparing the justice system they originally intended a open world pvp element where other players could act as guards or bounty hunters to exact justice against criminal players. But they scrapped that idea for the justice system when worries about player griefing were raised. Thus, guards are immortal to keep entire city populations from being massacred. There have been videos where a huge group of people tried killing s guard and got them to 0 hp but it didn't die. Wound up using a one hit kill move against everyone aggroed against it called Riot Control.
All that aside, it's fairly easy to avoid and/or escape the guards. Especially at higher levels.
My complaints is that they kill you way too fast0 -
ProfessorKittyhawk✭✭✭✭✭
✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Back when they were preparing the justice system they originally intended a open world pvp element where other players could act as guards or bounty hunters to exact justice against criminal players. But they scrapped that idea for the justice system when worries about player griefing were raised. Thus, guards are immortal to keep entire city populations from being massacred. There have been videos where a huge group of people tried killing s guard and got them to 0 hp but it didn't die. Wound up using a one hit kill move against everyone aggroed against it called Riot Control.
All that aside, it's fairly easy to avoid and/or escape the guards. Especially at higher levels.
My complaints is that they kill you way too fast
Might be too low leveled or not geared properly. It's pretty easy to lose them if you can break line of sight by running up a platform and jumping down. Hiding under bridges like the ones in Riften are good too. At least, that's worked for me. Just a matter of practice.4 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It’s really not fair. Why can’t we kill them?
Because if we could player hubs would turn into Gotham City after Bane took over.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Back when they were preparing the justice system they originally intended a open world pvp element where other players could act as guards or bounty hunters to exact justice against criminal players. But they scrapped that idea for the justice system when worries about player griefing were raised. Thus, guards are immortal to keep entire city populations from being massacred. There have been videos where a huge group of people tried killing s guard and got them to 0 hp but it didn't die. Wound up using a one hit kill move against everyone aggroed against it called Riot Control.
All that aside, it's fairly easy to avoid and/or escape the guards. Especially at higher levels.
My complaints is that they kill you way too fast
I always equip Retreating Maneuvers when I steal. As long as I'm outdoors, that's always enough for escape.
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ProfessorKittyhawk✭✭✭✭✭
✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Back when they were preparing the justice system they originally intended a open world pvp element where other players could act as guards or bounty hunters to exact justice against criminal players. But they scrapped that idea for the justice system when worries about player griefing were raised. Thus, guards are immortal to keep entire city populations from being massacred. There have been videos where a huge group of people tried killing s guard and got them to 0 hp but it didn't die. Wound up using a one hit kill move against everyone aggroed against it called Riot Control.
All that aside, it's fairly easy to avoid and/or escape the guards. Especially at higher levels.
My complaints is that they kill you way too fast
I always equip Retreating Maneuvers when I steal. As long as I'm outdoors, that's always enough for escape.
This. And also, invisibility potions. Might not help in some situations where guards can cast the ability to suppress invisibility but should help put some distance between you and them. And theres also the escape potions to increase speed to outrun the guards.0 -
geekboy09✭✭✭✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Back when they were preparing the justice system they originally intended a open world pvp element where other players could act as guards or bounty hunters to exact justice against criminal players. But they scrapped that idea for the justice system when worries about player griefing were raised. Thus, guards are immortal to keep entire city populations from being massacred. There have been videos where a huge group of people tried killing s guard and got them to 0 hp but it didn't die. Wound up using a one hit kill move against everyone aggroed against it called Riot Control.
All that aside, it's fairly easy to avoid and/or escape the guards. Especially at higher levels.
My complaints is that they kill you way too fast
Might be too low leveled or not geared properly. It's pretty easy to lose them if you can break line of sight by running up a platform and jumping down. Hiding under bridges like the ones in Riften are good too. At least, that's worked for me. Just a matter of practice.
I’m a level 21 warden Druid. I’ve been doing the thieves guild and the dark brotherhood to get the much needed passives to make the bounty time go faster0 -
ProfessorKittyhawk✭✭✭✭✭
✭Are you leveling up Legerdemain skill line as well? Reduces the amount of gold you have to pay willingly to clear bounties. Can be a pain to level but if you steal everything that isn't tied down and max out how much you can fence stuff it can level a bit faster.0 -
geekboy09✭✭✭✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Are you leveling up Legerdemain skill line as well? Reduces the amount of gold you have to pay willingly to clear bounties. Can be a pain to level but if you steal everything that isn't tied down and max out how much you can fence stuff it can level a bit faster.
Um no? Where is that skill?0 -
geekboy09✭✭✭✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Are you leveling up Legerdemain skill line as well? Reduces the amount of gold you have to pay willingly to clear bounties. Can be a pain to level but if you steal everything that isn't tied down and max out how much you can fence stuff it can level a bit faster.
Oh wait, I do sell stolen items0 -
twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Back when they were preparing the justice system they originally intended a open world pvp element where other players could act as guards or bounty hunters to exact justice against criminal players. But they scrapped that idea for the justice system when worries about player griefing were raised. Thus, guards are immortal to keep entire city populations from being massacred. There have been videos where a huge group of people tried killing s guard and got them to 0 hp but it didn't die. Wound up using a one hit kill move against everyone aggroed against it called Riot Control.
All that aside, it's fairly easy to avoid and/or escape the guards. Especially at higher levels.
My complaints is that they kill you way too fast
You're saying that you'd prefer to die a longer/slower death?The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.4 -
geekboy09✭✭✭✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Back when they were preparing the justice system they originally intended a open world pvp element where other players could act as guards or bounty hunters to exact justice against criminal players. But they scrapped that idea for the justice system when worries about player griefing were raised. Thus, guards are immortal to keep entire city populations from being massacred. There have been videos where a huge group of people tried killing s guard and got them to 0 hp but it didn't die. Wound up using a one hit kill move against everyone aggroed against it called Riot Control.
All that aside, it's fairly easy to avoid and/or escape the guards. Especially at higher levels.
My complaints is that they kill you way too fast
You're saying that you'd prefer to die a longer/slower death?
To save my gold, yes0 -
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✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Are you leveling up Legerdemain skill line as well? Reduces the amount of gold you have to pay willingly to clear bounties. Can be a pain to level but if you steal everything that isn't tied down and max out how much you can fence stuff it can level a bit faster.
Um no? Where is that skill?
If you've picked a lock or laundered or fenced stolen goods it unlocks automatically. Levels based on picking locks, fencing/laundering, and I believe picking pockets, but I hate the pickpocketing in this game so, I seldom ever do it outside of quests that require it.
If you go on a stealing spree, look for blue quality items to fence. You get more gold for them, so you might as well make more gold while leveling your legerdemain.0 -
geekboy09✭✭✭✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Are you leveling up Legerdemain skill line as well? Reduces the amount of gold you have to pay willingly to clear bounties. Can be a pain to level but if you steal everything that isn't tied down and max out how much you can fence stuff it can level a bit faster.
Um no? Where is that skill?
If you've picked a lock or laundered or fenced stolen goods it unlocks automatically. Levels based on picking locks, fencing/laundering, and I believe picking pockets, but I hate the pickpocketing in this game so, I seldom ever do it outside of quests that require it.
If you go on a stealing spree, look for blue quality items to fence. You get more gold for them, so you might as well make more gold while leveling your legerdemain.
Why do you hate pickpocketing?0 -
Snipress✭✭✭I just go invisible when I'm on my nightblade lmao. That loses them.Finding beauty in negative spaces.
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swippy✭✭✭✭✭I think they’re morals are quite upstanding myself. Sure you have your corrupt few but they’re few and far between.
EDIT: OP fixed his typo. It was originally ‘immoral’.
You used "they're" in place of "their" while trying to call someone else out on a typo. That's funny. Extra edits incoming...3 -
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✭I cant think of one time i was happy there was a guard on a city keeping the peace."The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
Knowledge, freedom, uncertainty and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
Security, happiness, beauty, and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)"
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twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Are you leveling up Legerdemain skill line as well? Reduces the amount of gold you have to pay willingly to clear bounties. Can be a pain to level but if you steal everything that isn't tied down and max out how much you can fence stuff it can level a bit faster.
Um no? Where is that skill?
If you've picked a lock or laundered or fenced stolen goods it unlocks automatically. Levels based on picking locks, fencing/laundering, and I believe picking pockets, but I hate the pickpocketing in this game so, I seldom ever do it outside of quests that require it.
If you go on a stealing spree, look for blue quality items to fence. You get more gold for them, so you might as well make more gold while leveling your legerdemain.
Why do you hate pickpocketing?
The guards are the fun ones to pickpocket.
And their dialogue after discovering their pocket is lighter is cute.The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.0 -
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...so whole guilds wouldn't just wipe out a cities guard force and then crime without consequences? While leaving the immersion dead in the streets?Why did Zos make city guards immortal?
Personally I think there could have been better ways... I would have preferred the guards being mortal (maybe like the guards in cyrodil), but fire off a super-special "Arrest Criminal Scum" spell at 50% health that wraps the evildoer attacking them in unbreakable chains to be carted off to their well deserved fate.
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Not that criminals get much of a well deserved fate in Tamriel, not vestige criminals anyhow... after all, elder scrolls justice is often short and swift and brutal, but... eternally respawning vestiges are not fazed by stuff like:
...and thus just pop right up again, which is why I for one would prefer punishments that players might actually fear, but... I posted that already: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/384538/for-great-justice/p1
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✭✭✭✭✭To say it is not fair yet offer not even one shred of reasoning is not much different that the rage thread that does not even explain what happened.
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You can, just try harderIt’s really not fair. Why can’t we kill them?. Just be prepared, other people will laugh at you if you fail.
When you see someone duelling a guard, don't forget to be mean and /laugh if they die
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✭Looking at the piles of corpses on the streets of Vivec, I wish devs made all non-essential NPCs immortal.EU PC: @logarifmik | Languages: Русский, English
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I would more wish for the originally-planned-but-then-sadly-scrapped PvP part of the justice system, so anyone who was annoyed at that sort of thing could just PvP the criminal scum themselves, but... alas... paths not taken.logarifmik wrote: »Looking at the piles of corpses on the streets of Vivec, I wish devs made all non-essential NPCs immortal.
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