Sheezabeast wrote: »

2 words: gold sink

To be honest though, ZO$ doesn't really gain anything from goods purchased with gold, and a lot of players have more gold than they're capable of spending so the cost becomes even less meaningful to the point we may as well be able to repair it ourselves.

Never pay for repairs.

I have tons of repair kits from writs.

SaxonCrusader wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

2 words: gold sink

To be honest though, ZO$ doesn't really gain anything from goods purchased with gold, and a lot of players have more gold than they're capable of spending so the cost becomes even less meaningful to the point we may as well be able to repair it ourselves.

The purpose of a gold sink is to delete currency from the money supply. In an artificial economy, in which tens of thousands of players create currency of out nothing, numerous channels to delete currency are required to manage inflation.

Look up the history of the Weimar Republic, or the state of the economy in Venezuela under Chavez/Maduro, for real world examples of the consequences of creating massive amounts of currency.

Your statement that players have more money than they are capable of spending is actually an argument against your position and illustrates than more gold sinks are needed, not fewer.

Your belief that Zenimax may or may not have 'something to gain' is irrelevant and moot. Simple mathematics are all that is involved.

Troneon wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

2 words: gold sink

Gold sink when unlimited crowns can be bought and sold for unlimited gold....

GG ZO$...

The gold amount comes from within the system.

Troneon wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

2 words: gold sink

Gold sink when unlimited crowns can be bought and sold for unlimited gold....

GG ZO$...

Your jibe demonstrates a misunderstanding.

Trading Crowns for gold neither creates nor destroys in-game currency. It merely debits one player's gold supply and credits another.

Now, if you had chosen to make a jibe attacking the notion of trading real world currency for game currency, you would have created a point for debate.

Reapir costs are a gold sink for exp farmers and leveling.

Your gear gets damaged based on exp gain from killing things and you dying. Most exp gain comes from killing things, running dolmens, etc. That stuff usually gets you a little bit of money. Repair costs arent that much, but are fairly balanced with the gold gains of farming so that players dont make an outrageous profit.

So if you want to run around the zombie farm outside Evermore, you'll gain gold and exp, and also damage your gear, so some of that gold gets sucked right back out of the economy.

Now, its far from the only gold sink in the game, but thats one area where repair damage helps defray the inflation caused by killing lots of mobs.

gro_drum wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Reapir costs are a gold sink for exp farmers and leveling.

Your gear gets damaged based on exp gain from killing things and you dying. Most exp gain comes from killing things, running dolmens, etc. That stuff usually gets you a little bit of money. Repair costs arent that much, but are fairly balanced with the gold gains of farming so that players dont make an outrageous profit.

So if you want to run around the zombie farm outside Evermore, you'll gain gold and exp, and also damage your gear, so some of that gold gets sucked right back out of the economy.

Now, its far from the only gold sink in the game, but thats one area where repair damage helps defray the inflation caused by killing lots of mobs.

yeah that totally legitimizes the "I made the gear but I can't repair it." concept. /thumbsup

I guess the solution would be to let players just pay the gold to repair their own gear, but I assume ZOS intends us to buy repair kits for that, from players or NPCs, or get the kits from daily writs.

VaranisArano wrote: »

gro_drum wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Reapir costs are a gold sink for exp farmers and leveling.

Your gear gets damaged based on exp gain from killing things and you dying. Most exp gain comes from killing things, running dolmens, etc. That stuff usually gets you a little bit of money. Repair costs arent that much, but are fairly balanced with the gold gains of farming so that players dont make an outrageous profit.

So if you want to run around the zombie farm outside Evermore, you'll gain gold and exp, and also damage your gear, so some of that gold gets sucked right back out of the economy.

Now, its far from the only gold sink in the game, but thats one area where repair damage helps defray the inflation caused by killing lots of mobs.

yeah that totally legitimizes the "I made the gear but I can't repair it." concept. /thumbsup

I guess the solution would be to let players just pay the gold to repair their own gear, but I assume ZOS intends us to buy repair kits for that, from players or NPCs, or get the kits from daily writs.

I just think a Blacksmith who's 50 should technically have no problem repairing his own gear while doing a blacksmith writ at the anvil. A tailor who is 50 should be free to repair his stuff while he is doing a tailor writ... I just crafted 2 bows and a shield for my writ let me fix my shield real fast while i'm at it. if it absolutely MUST cost something, let it cost an ingot or a piece of wood... None of us just snapped our fingers and became master crafters. It's just really strange. I cant fix my plate, hammer in hand, at the anvil?

gro_drum wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

gro_drum wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Reapir costs are a gold sink for exp farmers and leveling.

Your gear gets damaged based on exp gain from killing things and you dying. Most exp gain comes from killing things, running dolmens, etc. That stuff usually gets you a little bit of money. Repair costs arent that much, but are fairly balanced with the gold gains of farming so that players dont make an outrageous profit.

So if you want to run around the zombie farm outside Evermore, you'll gain gold and exp, and also damage your gear, so some of that gold gets sucked right back out of the economy.

Now, its far from the only gold sink in the game, but thats one area where repair damage helps defray the inflation caused by killing lots of mobs.

yeah that totally legitimizes the "I made the gear but I can't repair it." concept. /thumbsup

I guess the solution would be to let players just pay the gold to repair their own gear, but I assume ZOS intends us to buy repair kits for that, from players or NPCs, or get the kits from daily writs.

I just think a Blacksmith who's 50 should technically have no problem repairing his own gear while doing a blacksmith writ at the anvil. A tailor who is 50 should be free to repair his stuff while he is doing a tailor writ... I just crafted 2 bows and a shield for my writ let me fix my shield real fast while i'm at it. if it absolutely MUST cost something, let it cost an ingot or a piece of wood... None of us just snapped our fingers and became master crafters. It's just really strange. I cant fix my plate, hammer in hand, at the anvil?

Its not that hard to believe, no.

But this is a world where I can cook anything in the world by stirring a single bowl and periodically licking my finger...

If crafters had the option to repair, then there must be a cost to balance the benefit.

The ideal cost would be gold. We need to continually remove vast amounts of gold from the game to balance the vast inputs of gold from player activity.

If it would improve your immersive experience to skip the NPC step in repair, then I'd agree.

But player repair should cost both gold and materials. The gold sink must absolutely remain. If repair cost gold alone, we'd suffer an onslaught of threads questioning why materials alone are insufficient.

And to answer that question of logic, creation of gear should cost gold as well as materials.

So I'll agree if the change to the game for purposes of logic is balanced. Gold and materials to create; gold and materials to repair. The NPC option of gold alone would remain.

Think of the price you pay being the material cost you, the crafter, need to repair and maintain whatever equipment you are repairing. Just because you talk to a store owner when you do it doesn't mean it's the store owner that does the repairing.

Better yet, if that roleplaying aspect is so important to you, buy repair kits from a merchant and repair each item yourself.