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Sorcerer pets are dying solo, unplayable PTS vMA etc

ruikkarikun
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Why pets have 3k shield, whyh they easy dying in solo game? You made them immortal in group content and trash in solo?

So solo pet sorcerer uplayable now. Is this joke? Pet sorc always was solo friendly.

Why do you ruin all?

Even if yoo decrease pet costs for ZERO magicka how it can be real if your pet dies too much and you need to summon, wait until he reach range mobs to start attack and then die. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS PET/SUMMONER BUILD MEANS?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5513332/#Comment_5513332
I tried VMA on PTS with exact same pet build and sets I have been using. Long story short, pets die all the time. On 2nd arena they are mostly useless since they are dead even before monsters spawn (unless you spam the switches).

Empowered shield goes down immediately as most of the instant damage is above 5k+, so half of the time Matriarch's heals are not there because it's either dead or I am out of magicka. Can't imagine how painful stages 7 and 9 would be with these shields.

Based on my initial experience, I am not planning on doing a full VMA run on PTS, I'd rather try to farm for my inferno staff I never got till nerfs go on live server. But even if I get a staff before Nerfmire, what will I be using it for anyway? I love playing glass cannon, always have but switched to pet sorcerer to to farm VMA. Now with these changes it makes no sense to even farm it.

I feel like after all these years I can only continue to play ESO like "story mode" and keep looking for other options.. Been playing MMOs for 16 years, never seen such clueless devs before. Enough is just enough. For those who say "adapt", games are meant to be enjoyed, not stressed about.

*hits alt + f4*
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5513902/#Comment_5513902
I did the same, more or less, and it was admittedly brutal. The ward honestly felt like it was made of tissue paper, and my familiar died far more times than I can count. Then I would go to respawn the familiar, hit that oh-so-fun cast time, and have a 50-50 shot of going splat before I finished.

Major pain points of the run, regarding the pet, were the boss of stage 2 (the spinny blades and the cannon shots into the air which still hit him), the boss of stage 4 (the pet slows out of the safe spot, or I go to heavy attack the sentry or adds, and he dies. Or he goes to attack the spider during the flame phase, and he dies), the entirety of stage 5 (because the water kills the pet over and over again), environmental damage in stage 6, the behemoth's roars in stage 7, and the lava geysers along the arena edge in stage 8.

After stage 8 round 4, I exited the arena, logged to character select, and deleted the test character I made for the experiment. There's really no point to continuing it to its conclusion.

@ZOS_Finn I understand that there are reasons pets aren't invulnerable in vMA, at least in the abstract (reasons exist). That said, however, they're dying far too much, which, in conjunction with the cast time that feels like an eternity in the middle of the fast-paced vMA combat, is incredibly frustrating and makes it where I'm skeptical that they're even useful in that content.

Add to that more player deaths than I care to count, my shield feeling like it's not even a defense even in conjunction with boundless storm and crit surge, and the fact that those people who are getting 600k scores in vMA will still get 600k scores because they don't use shields, and I'm honestly more frustrated with the arena than I've ever been, even when I was learning it the first time.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5513529/#Comment_5513529
To add context, this is the reason why they are dying...

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As you can see, the pets only get a 3 damage shield granted to them. This is not a graphical bug, they literally get the shield knocked off immediately upon combat with anything...

Note his health bar showing "16,683 + 3" @ZOS_Finn

I will name my familiar "super tiny shields" from now on to compliment my character's tiny shields.

Edit: This bug also happens in overland combat and is not specific to vMA

Read that comments. So 3k shield srsly? Even 6k shield won't help.

AGAIN IT"S UNPLAYABLE. WHAT IS THE REASON PETS DYING SOLO?
Edited by ruikkarikun on October 8, 2018 1:12AM
  • ZonasArch
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    Caps locking your way to being ignored. Way to go :)
  • Numerikuu
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    The anger is justified though. This patch is a dumpster fire. A disaster.
  • SirAndy
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    And on top of all that, at least the Clannfear is now completely ignored by all mobs, trash and otherwise.
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5511167/#Comment_5511167

    Meaning, ZOS took away its taunt/tank/aggro abilities which were its only real use (besides the burst heal).
    WTF.gif
    Edited by SirAndy on October 5, 2018 4:43PM
  • Crafts_Many_Boxes
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    Guys, guys, it's fine. I'm sure Wroebel and his merry band of balanceketeers have thoroughly tested the new sorcs in VMA and determined they won't have a problem completing it.

    I mean, to push such a massive change due to a perceived problem in a specific area of play without understanding the full scope of the consequences would just be shortsighted and downright incompetent, right? They aren't shortsighted and downright incompetent or anything, right? Right?
  • phileunderx2
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    Lots of us play sorc and never take them to pvp and right now the sheild changes are making our characters unplayable in solo pve content. I don't think anyone ever complained about us , the complaints were about pvp sorcs and sheild stacking. Feels bad. 😕
  • method__01
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    sub cancelled,palying Fallout again till new one comes out,im soooo done with this bs
    their game but my money and i prefer trash 8000 game hours instead of ruin my toons who i spend so much money and effort to level

    PC EU/NA /// PS4 EU/NA

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    desperately need a survey assistant
  • Vahrokh
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    I can't wait for Nerfmire to land on the live servers.

    The effect on subscriptions shall be as nice as dropping a 10 megaton bomb over a large city.

    This time ZOS has gone way too far, even for their own records.
  • Numerikuu
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    method__01 wrote: »
    sub cancelled,palying Fallout again till new one comes out,im soooo done with this bs
    their game but my money and i prefer trash 8000 game hours instead of ruin my toons who i spend so much money and effort to level

    So instead of throwing your money at their MMO's sub system, you're gonna throw potentially more money at another game of theirs...

    Makes perfect sense! :D Looks like their plan is working.
  • SirAndy
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    Numerikuu wrote: »
    So instead of throwing your money at their MMO's sub system, you're gonna throw potentially more money at another game of theirs...
    Makes perfect sense! :D Looks like their plan is working.

    Zenimax Online Studios != Bethesda Game Studios

    shades.gif
  • Micah_Bayer
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    Numerikuu wrote: »
    method__01 wrote: »
    sub cancelled,palying Fallout again till new one comes out,im soooo done with this bs
    their game but my money and i prefer trash 8000 game hours instead of ruin my toons who i spend so much money and effort to level

    So instead of throwing your money at their MMO's sub system, you're gonna throw potentially more money at another game of theirs...

    Makes perfect sense! :D Looks like their plan is working.

    Zos has nothing to do with fallout. That is Bethesda
  • Waffennacht
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    Btw, immortal pets coming in next pts update, not this one
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  • Vahrokh
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    Btw, immortal pets coming in next pts update, not this one

    They won't be immortal in arena, which is this topic...
  • method__01
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    So instead of throwing your money at their MMO's sub system, you're gonna throw potentially more money at another game of theirs...

    Makes perfect sense! :D Looks like their plan is working.

    where im spending is my choice,btw its another studio
    PC EU/NA /// PS4 EU/NA

    Vasanha
    This one hears nothing. Sees nothing. This one only sweeps.
    desperately need a survey assistant
  • Numerikuu
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    Zos has nothing to do with fallout. That is Bethesda
    SirAndy wrote: »
    Zenimax Online Studios != Bethesda Game Studios

    shades.gif

    ZOS and Bethesda are both subsidiaries to ZeniMax Media. Meaning the money is still going into and circulating in the same pockets.
    Edited by Numerikuu on October 5, 2018 6:04PM
  • method__01
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    Numerikuu wrote: »

    Zos has nothing to do with fallout. That is Bethesda
    SirAndy wrote: »
    Zenimax Online Studios != Bethesda Game Studios

    shades.gif

    ZOS and Bethesda are both subsidiaries to ZeniMax Media. Meaning the money is still going into and circulating in the same pockets.

    you are getting off topic,im not leaving cause i hate the company i just disagree the way it changes things
    so i decided to move on instead arguing here
    PC EU/NA /// PS4 EU/NA

    Vasanha
    This one hears nothing. Sees nothing. This one only sweeps.
    desperately need a survey assistant
  • SirAndy
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    Numerikuu wrote: »
    Zos has nothing to do with fallout. That is Bethesda
    SirAndy wrote: »
    Zenimax Online Studios != Bethesda Game Studios
    shades.gif
    ZOS and Bethesda are both subsidiaries to ZeniMax Media. Meaning the money is still going into and circulating in the same pockets.

    But those pockets do not belong to the people that make the horrible decisions at ZOS ...
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  • FrancisCrawford
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    SirAndy wrote: »
    Numerikuu wrote: »
    So instead of throwing your money at their MMO's sub system, you're gonna throw potentially more money at another game of theirs...
    Makes perfect sense! :D Looks like their plan is working.

    Zenimax Online Studios != Bethesda Game Studios

    shades.gif

    Same owner.
  • Drako_Ei
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    90% of people with the flawless title i see, are petsorcs, vMA is supposed to be the hardest solo content, but right know its a walk in the park for petsorcs.

    Im not saying that petsorcs are OP, im just saying that they are OP for vMA
    Edited by Drako_Ei on October 5, 2018 6:24PM
  • phbell
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    I don't even main a sorc and I feel bad. I have played this game pretty much daily since April 2014 and have seen a lot of character skill changes - most of them nerfs. Every time there has been outcry, and every time ZOS has turned a deaf ear.

    To all that applaud these latest Sorc' nerf's I offer this warning: Beware, because none are exempt. Perhaps NB Invisibility is next - Or maybe DK Talons. None are safe from developers whose only tool is the Nerf-hammer.
  • BretonMage
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    Numerikuu wrote: »

    Zos has nothing to do with fallout. That is Bethesda
    SirAndy wrote: »
    Zenimax Online Studios != Bethesda Game Studios

    shades.gif

    ZOS and Bethesda are both subsidiaries to ZeniMax Media. Meaning the money is still going into and circulating in the same pockets.

    Different management tho.
  • maboleth
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    People tend to moan without testing things. I did it too, but when i dueled in the pts I noticed sorcs are still meaningful. There's no cast time and that's what we, the community, won. There's still 3 weeks for testing and tweaking
  • ruikkarikun
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    I asked from yesterday and as you can see ZERO answer about it. Nice way to pushing people out.
    Such thing like when you cant play solo vMA/public dungeon etc must be fixed very fast, or at least we need to get fast responce with explanation. Otherwise I don't know how to describe frustration.

    I'm learning programming, so I don't understant how you didn't know before you push this changes to PTS, that pets will die solo (with tiny and bug (3k) shields) etc reasons. But fact we can't play solo summoner now. It is ridiculus, and we need responce on this.
  • ruikkarikun
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    Drako_Ei wrote: »
    90% of people with the flawless title i see, are petsorcs, vMA is supposed to be the hardest solo content, but right know its a walk in the park for petsorcs.

    Im not saying that petsorcs are OP, im just saying that they are OP for vMA

    Not because of pets they were OP. But the subject is about If I play summoner my pets deal damage, if they die too often I spent time to resummon and wait while they reach mobs after their death, so much lost time, isn't it a BAD JOKE?
    No point to use pet if he die too much. This must be fixed. They made them immortal for group content and forget about solo? Just I don't know HOW IT CAN BE REAL?
    Edited by ruikkarikun on October 5, 2018 7:28PM
  • Waffennacht
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    I completely killed the quote and I give up on trying to fix it lmao.

    Edit: found it
    Edited by Waffennacht on October 5, 2018 7:34PM
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  • ruikkarikun
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno
    From other thread: (wold boss)
    - PTS3, Volatile familiar dies in a single take, two if having luck.
    - Live, Volatile familiar takes 4-6 hits before he dies, without shields.

  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_Finn @ZOS_Wrobel
    Why pets have 3k shield, whyh they easy dying in solo game? You made them immortal in group content and trash in solo?

    That's funny...they weren't immortal in group content when @codestripper soloed Blackrose Prison as a pet sorc here.

    They didn't change enough to make them completely bad on solo content. They may not be as decent but they're not as bad as you describe.

    I do want pet buffs also. I would love for all of them to be immortal even if it meant a nerf to their damage, especially since I like the Dark Shade so much, but I have to point out the obvious.
  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno
    From other thread: (wold boss)
    - PTS3, Volatile familiar dies in a single take, two if having luck.
    - Live, Volatile familiar takes 4-6 hits before he dies, without shields.

    There weren't any changes to pets other than the "0 damage in group content" so this can't be right. The pets on live and PTS should have the exact same resistance and health and therefore survive, unshielded, the same amount of hits.

    This looks like hyperbole using false information without any testing or video to back it up, especially when video is easy to make right now on the same world boss on live and PTS since they are still separate.

    Edit:
    Was it this PTS the pets changed to have a secondary effect on the base skill? Either way, their health and resistance values haven't decreased.
    Edited by Mystrius_Archaion on October 6, 2018 3:56AM
  • UnKnowNKiLLeRR
    i did maelstrom with pet build, my pet did not died once. Can you please run recount and check what kind of damage they are taking when you running build. Please provide some screenshot of damage recap.
    Edited by UnKnowNKiLLeRR on October 6, 2018 4:08AM
  • maboleth
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno
    From other thread: (wold boss)
    - PTS3, Volatile familiar dies in a single take, two if having luck.
    - Live, Volatile familiar takes 4-6 hits before he dies, without shields.

    There weren't any changes to pets other than the "0 damage in group content" so this can't be right. The pets on live and PTS should have the exact same resistance and health and therefore survive, unshielded, the same amount of hits.

    This looks like hyperbole using false information without any testing or video to back it up, especially when video is easy to make right now on the same world boss on live and PTS since they are still separate.

    I'm the one that posted that info he quoted. I'm not going to make any videos for this, it's very easy to check.

    1. Go to Alik'r Desert -> Giant camp -> Lonely Papa boss
    2. Try it on live with your pet sorc, no shields, no healing. Just let one of your pets fight the boss
    3. Count how many times it takes for a boss to kill your pet

    Do the same on the PTS3. Notice the that your pet will be dead in 1-2x takes.
  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    maboleth wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno
    From other thread: (wold boss)
    - PTS3, Volatile familiar dies in a single take, two if having luck.
    - Live, Volatile familiar takes 4-6 hits before he dies, without shields.

    There weren't any changes to pets other than the "0 damage in group content" so this can't be right. The pets on live and PTS should have the exact same resistance and health and therefore survive, unshielded, the same amount of hits.

    This looks like hyperbole using false information without any testing or video to back it up, especially when video is easy to make right now on the same world boss on live and PTS since they are still separate.

    I'm the one that posted that info he quoted. I'm not going to make any videos for this, it's very easy to check.

    1. Go to Alik'r Desert -> Giant camp -> Lonely Papa boss
    2. Try it on live with your pet sorc, no shields, no healing. Just let one of your pets fight the boss
    3. Count how many times it takes for a boss to kill your pet

    Do the same on the PTS3. Notice the that your pet will be dead in 1-2x takes.

    The problem is I don't believe it.
    Something would need to have drastically changed for that drastic a difference, so this requires proof to earn a "fix" if it is broken in that way.

    There are only 3 ways this could have happened given the circumstances you insist on, no shields(changed this pts) and no heals(so changes to that don't affect results), which would be either the pet health changed(no notes about that) or the pet resistances changed(also no notes about that) or the world boss's damage changed(also no notes about that).
    What changed?
    Did you gear the exact same, not a set that was nerfed? Did you slot the same skills and passives and none of them were nerfed, like less max magicka? Pet strength is based on your max stats.

    You have to back up your assertions since you tested it. At least post what gear you were wearing on Live and PTS and how it was enchanted and every passive skill you have spent skill points on and what active skills are slotted and their rank. Post the damage numbers the boss does to your pet that you can see with the default UI combat numbers.
    If you're reluctant to video then that would at least help.


    FYI, It's not easy for us to check your results:
    1) We may not have sorcerers of that level on live.
    2) We don't have the same gear on live which uses valuable resources that take time to get.
    You can test this easily but everybody else who isn't ready for that on live can't, even if PTS gives a template with everything.
    Edited by Mystrius_Archaion on October 7, 2018 4:19AM
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