Should eso + craft bag be given to all in exchange for infinite space?

Cadbury · October 2018

No

Artemiisia wrote: »

I didnt misread it josiahva, and still voted no

This. Infinite bank space =/= craft bag

Shadowasrial · October 2018

Yes

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...give non-subcribers the craft bag...if you give us subscribers infinite bank space...its essentially the same perk as the craft bag is. I would be happy to continue to sub for infinite bank space instead of an infinite craft bag...its actually more useful in the end.

P.S. I think most of the No people are misreading the question. The OP is suggesting giving everyone the craft bag, but giving subscribers only infinite bank space.

Exactly

bongtokin420insd16 · October 2018

Yes

I agree @josiahva . The OP is a subscriber, i think he's just asking one for the other. FYI, with infinite bank space you wouldn't need a craft bag. So how about we just swap one for the other and don't give nonsubscribers anything? hehe

BomblePants · October 2018

No

abigfishy wrote: »

This game has a VERY fair FTP model. The craft bag is one of the big perks for serious players who are willing to support the game. Keep it this way.

So much this... plus thinking of recreation what else can you do for £10 per month? It’s a fair price imo

Danikat · October 2018

No

On the surface it seems like a great deal for players - non-subscribers get infinite space for crafting materials and subscribers get infinite space for everything else. But it has a lot of indirect and potentially negative consequences.

Starting with the obvious I imagine any subscribers who had spent crowns on bank space or those home storage chests would be annoyed, or even people who had spent gold on it, since it would now be a useless upgrade.

But also it means subscribers don't ever need to deconstruct or sell anything unless they want the materials from it, and no one needs to sell crafting materials to make space. Much less need for subscribers to craft equipment, or buy it from crafters, or re-run dungeons to get it, because they can save everything they get, just in case it becomes useful later on.

It also becomes much easier for subscribers to store treasure maps, paintings, and well, anything, until there's a sign demand will increase and make it more valuable, but then if they all try and sell all their stored items it kills any price increase and maybe even crashes the price completely.

I don't know it would ruin the economy, but I think it would change it completely, as well as the popularity of dungeons and other content which currently provides useful equipment.

Shadowasrial · October 2018

Yes

or It will enable you to store sets of light medium and heavy with all the different traits you desire

Hateanthem · October 2018

No

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...give non-subcribers the craft bag...if you give us subscribers infinite bank space...its essentially the same perk as the craft bag is. I would be happy to continue to sub for infinite bank space instead of an infinite craft bag...its actually more useful in the end.

P.S. I think most of the No people are misreading the question. The OP is suggesting giving everyone the craft bag, but giving subscribers only infinite bank space.

I didn't misread. I am a person who is very much against hoarding every single thing you pick up. I don't think a player needs to collect every single armor piece in the game.

400+ bank slots is more than enough space.

Shadowasrial · October 2018

Yes

Hateanthem wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...give non-subcribers the craft bag...if you give us subscribers infinite bank space...its essentially the same perk as the craft bag is. I would be happy to continue to sub for infinite bank space instead of an infinite craft bag...its actually more useful in the end.

P.S. I think most of the No people are misreading the question. The OP is suggesting giving everyone the craft bag, but giving subscribers only infinite bank space.

I didn't misread. I am a person who is very much against hoarding every single thing you pick up. I don't think a player needs to collect every single armor piece in the game.

400+ bank slots is more than enough space.

Not with all the extra furnishings and ring sets.

Jolipinator · October 2018

No

No. But eventually we will need more bank space.

Cadbury · October 2018

No

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Hateanthem wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...give non-subcribers the craft bag...if you give us subscribers infinite bank space...its essentially the same perk as the craft bag is. I would be happy to continue to sub for infinite bank space instead of an infinite craft bag...its actually more useful in the end.

P.S. I think most of the No people are misreading the question. The OP is suggesting giving everyone the craft bag, but giving subscribers only infinite bank space.

I didn't misread. I am a person who is very much against hoarding every single thing you pick up. I don't think a player needs to collect every single armor piece in the game.

400+ bank slots is more than enough space.

Not with all the extra furnishings and ring sets.

Selling the extra crap is more profitable in the long run. Hoarding just makes thing worse.

Then again, hoarders try to justify their behavior by saying "Oh I might need it some day." or "It'll be more valuable in a few months so I'll keep it until then."

Maichail · October 2018

I have ESO plus, but on reflection I don't particularly like that you have to pay to get the craft bag.

It seems like a punishment for those who don't pay for ESO plus rather than a reward for those who do.

I suspect if I didn't have ESO plus and had to keep frequenting the bank, I wouldn't be playing this game very long.

From a design perspective, its quite difficult to add these types of features after the fact.

However disk space is getting cheaper now, and hopefully in the next game they think about this and remove this type of thinking and design space issues out of the game. It shouldn't be a perk.

I've been firing up Oblivion recently and OMG, the "you are over encumbered" messages. Which I had forgot all about. :-)

josiahva · October 2018

Yes

Danikat wrote: »

On the surface it seems like a great deal for players - non-subscribers get infinite space for crafting materials and subscribers get infinite space for everything else. But it has a lot of indirect and potentially negative consequences.

Starting with the obvious I imagine any subscribers who had spent crowns on bank space or those home storage chests would be annoyed, or even people who had spent gold on it, since it would now be a useless upgrade.

But also it means subscribers don't ever need to deconstruct or sell anything unless they want the materials from it, and no one needs to sell crafting materials to make space. Much less need for subscribers to craft equipment, or buy it from crafters, or re-run dungeons to get it, because they can save everything they get, just in case it becomes useful later on.

It also becomes much easier for subscribers to store treasure maps, paintings, and well, anything, until there's a sign demand will increase and make it more valuable, but then if they all try and sell all their stored items it kills any price increase and maybe even crashes the price completely.

I don't know it would ruin the economy, but I think it would change it completely, as well as the popularity of dungeons and other content which currently provides useful equipment.

See...I dont mind actually saving something for when I need it. Who cares if people hoard treasure maps and motifs for years and sell them later? After all, if say....Dwemer motifs suddenly became hot for some reason and someone started making tons of gold off of them...then other people would enter the market and sell their Dwemer motifs until the market became saturated and the prices came down...this is how economies work...they regulate themselves.

That being said, for me its more of a convenience thing...I just want to be able to actually pick up all the garbage I find in a dungeon....as it is, I spend way too much time in my bag destroying something so I can pick up some weapon drop that looks marginally useful. Its not like I have unlimited INVENTORY space in this theoretical situation....it would just let me keep the marginally useful items like say a Dreugh King Slayer ring that I "might" use some day on a test build instead of selling it(because lets be realistic, you cant deconstruct anything in the middle of a dungeon, and you are often not on a crafting toon to do so to begin with.

Rex-Umbra · October 2018

No

Eso plus is a steady revenue stream and its a major incentive.

Kiralyn2000 · October 2018

No

I've always thought that I'm a hoarder in RPGs, but compared to some of ya'll..... wth are you all sticking in your banks that you're constantly running out of space?

DocDova · October 2018

Yes

I think having a craft bag would be a great help for new members and as ESO plus member if they give me infinite bank space, I would welcome it. I have no idea about how it affects their business model (positive/negative), and I would remain plus subscriber as long as I am actively playing the game, That means might not subscribe for a month or two while playing other game, playing more than one game at a time is bit too much for me. But even if they give everyone free craft bag without giving me anything extra, I would say YES.

Mannix1958 · October 2018

No

Junk always expands to the size available...I think it will simply lead to "Hoarders:Tamriel edition"

Numerikuu · October 2018

No

Infinite bank space? Are you mad? I can practically hear the servers/data storage centers cry in pain lol.

Lyserus · October 2018

No

Let's face it, no matter how much can cosmetic lootboxes earn, a MMORPG will MUST have monthly income from players in order to sustain its servers and staffs

And craft bag is the sole reason why majority subbers sub, take that away, ESO is died

Tandor · October 2018

No

We see a lot of obsessive hoarders on the forum. No disrespect to them, but I don't want my server performance impacted by them abusing infinite bank space. I don't think any developer could be expected to provide that, least of all one operating a B2P or F2P model.

As for the crafting bag, that should remain solely a benefit of subscribing. While I wouldn't be opposed to a much lesser form of crafting bag for non-subscribers in theory, we know that in practice it would just be the beginning and no matter whether it had 50 slots, 100 slots, or 200 slots, the forum would be constantly full of threads complaining that it wasn't enough and demanding more.

As more items become available with the game's continued expansion I'm all in favour of further incremental increases in inventory and bank storage (provided the game can handle it), although the real answer is that as players get more new stuff they should simply get rid of more of the old stuff.

Hateanthem · October 2018

No

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Hateanthem wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...give non-subcribers the craft bag...if you give us subscribers infinite bank space...its essentially the same perk as the craft bag is. I would be happy to continue to sub for infinite bank space instead of an infinite craft bag...its actually more useful in the end.

P.S. I think most of the No people are misreading the question. The OP is suggesting giving everyone the craft bag, but giving subscribers only infinite bank space.

I didn't misread. I am a person who is very much against hoarding every single thing you pick up. I don't think a player needs to collect every single armor piece in the game.

400+ bank slots is more than enough space.

Not with all the extra furnishings and ring sets.

Then I guess it's time for the player to start making decisions about what they want to keep.

HOARDING

IS

UNHEALTHY.

BigBragg · October 2018

While I am not sure that is the correct solution, I do agree that the growing struggles of inventory management need to be addressed.

Sadly I also believe that these issues are largely done intentionally to further monetise space via ESO+ and storage chests. There are is a growing increase in things that are given to us that are character bound at cannot be stored, further cluttering up the limited space we are allowed to juggle with.

I think a more viable solution would be for the community to push for things like the craft bag but for other wares such as furniture and siege.

Imperial_Voice · October 2018

No

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...give non-subcribers the craft bag...if you give us subscribers infinite bank space...its essentially the same perk as the craft bag is. I would be happy to continue to sub for infinite bank space instead of an infinite craft bag...its actually more useful in the end.

P.S. I think most of the No people are misreading the question. The OP is suggesting giving everyone the craft bag, but giving subscribers only infinite bank space.

Nobody is misreading it, its just a terrible suggestion.

qbit · October 2018

No

Unlimited bank space would break the game in my opinion. You could bank every set with divines and have unlimited intricates to level alts and unlimited supply of trash to sell at guild trader. You'd have unlimited glyphs to level alts. And when you're done leveling alts, you've now got more unlimited crap to sell at the guild trader. But the stuff wouldn't be selling so well since everyone else has unlimited amounts of those things.

It's "cheese" as this forum likes to use food analogies to describe things and people. I've also noticed a lot elitists refer to people with less experience than them as low IQed, or only having half a brain, or just stupid. Or "potatoes." But they always wrap it up in a generalized insult like "Anyone with 'half a brain' can see that ability being telegraphed a mile away so if they can't dodge it, then they're stupid and need to L2P."

So yeah. It's cheese we don't need. We need to eliminate the free-to-play, in my opinion. Or limit forum use to subscribers only.

White wabbit · October 2018

No opinion

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...give non-subcribers the craft bag...if you give us subscribers infinite bank space...its essentially the same perk as the craft bag is. I would be happy to continue to sub for infinite bank space instead of an infinite craft bag...its actually more useful in the end.

P.S. I think most of the No people are misreading the question. The OP is suggesting giving everyone the craft bag, but giving subscribers only infinite bank space.

Nope it's fine as is , if they want the craft bag so much they know what they have to do as it's been covered in the many threads asking for the crafted bag!!!! Subscribe ,
P.s I actually hit the no option so don't know how ended up with the no opinion

Chrysa1is · October 2018

Yes

I shouldnt have to make a new character to use as a mule, and have to log in and out between chars to get items, as there is no quality of life in that method. Its just tedious.

Ive had the game on xb1 since release, and ive got a good amount of materials collected (all crafting) and ive managed my bank space well since. and i still have purchaseable bank space left to buy from the bag merchant.

itd be nice to have it because some items required for writs have to be in your inventory to count as meeting the require as opposed to it counting by simply remaining in your bank inventory.

Whether people agree or not, ESO+ is literally centered around the crafting bag. Id rather pay for my dlcs whereas eso+ have to sustain membership overall payin more than the dlc is worth. I dont care about extra xp because daily rewards give you alot of xp scrolls. doubke bank and housing space is attractive but i can live without it as i only use what i need. as for the crowns, id rather pay for crowns when i want them.

Itd be cool to have the bag to improve quality of life, but i can live without it.

El_Borracho · October 2018

No

Stop hoarding.

Saucy_Jack · October 2018

I would accept this, *IF* ESO+ peeps were given an additional infinibag for furniture that the normies didn't.

DocDova · October 2018

Yes

Yup on a second thought giving every plus subscriber infinite bank space is bad idea (Maybe giving it just to me won't be anywhere as bad and I won't tell a soul

). It's just that I am still in process to getting to 780 and getting at-least 8 good characters, So I am hoarding lot of gear for them so they can use it when reach to 50. When I become sure what I will se on each, I will destroy rest of it and allot each one of them a chest.

BigBragg · October 2018

El_Borracho wrote: »

Stop hoarding.

MMORPGs are largely loot driven. Same with Elder Scrolls games. That is like telling a chicken not to cluck!

El_Borracho · October 2018

No

BigBragg wrote: »

MMORPGs are largely loot driven. Same with Elder Scrolls games. That is like telling a chicken not to cluck!

While I somewhat agree that loot is a goal of these games, there is always a limit. I like having multiple options for my characters when it comes to gear. But do you really need to tote around 7 pieces of Spelunker that you have never put on since obtaining it, on the off chance that one of these days a nerf is going to make that set OP for a stam warden werewolf build? Or that now-obsolete tank gear on the chance that it will be buffed in the future?

The craft bag already handles hundreds, if not thousands of crafting items. I have 400 bank spots, because with the craft bag, I also get double bank space. My main character has over 150 slots. My other toons have about the same. I rarely run full on the characters and routinely clean my bank out of the worthless gear.

Gold is the easiest thing to get in ESO. If you want to hoard, buy more bank space. Or pay to get the craft bag.