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Why only nerf major expedition and swift for mobility balance?
Tonno_SenSei
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"Developer Comment: A number of changes listed below are targeted at reducing the overall movement speed of players. It is currently too easy for players to hit and stay at the 100% movement speed cap, allowing them to disengage from dangerous situations easily. You will still be able to hit the 100% movement speed cap; however, it will now require more investment to hit and stay at it. We're still working on ensuring all sources of Major Expedition are being brought up to the new values, such as Major Expedition on potions."
If "allowing them to disengage from dangerous situations easily" is the real mobility issue in the game so why Streak is still in the game? With Lich set and Streak every sorc in the game can disengage easily because if the situations become dangerous he can streak away to Narnia.
....and i don't want to talk about Shadow Image because it's too easy and fun to evade dangerous situations with shade
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Zaryc✭✭✭Tonno_SenSei wrote: »"Developer Comment: A number of changes listed below are targeted at reducing the overall movement speed of players. It is currently too easy for players to hit and stay at the 100% movement speed cap, allowing them to disengage from dangerous situations easily. You will still be able to hit the 100% movement speed cap; however, it will now require more investment to hit and stay at it. We're still working on ensuring all sources of Major Expedition are being brought up to the new values, such as Major Expedition on potions."
If "allowing them to disengage from dangerous situations easily" is the real mobility issue in the game so why Streak is still in the game? With Lich set and Streak every sorc in the game can disengage easily because if the situations become dangerous he can streak away to Narnia.
....and i don't want to talk about Shadow Image because it's too easy and fun to evade dangerous situations with shade
Yeah let's also nerf streak again. And while your at it just delete Sorcs from the game.
Anyone with Major Expedition and medium armour can outsprint streak at lower cost..5 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Perhaps it would have been better to say "allowing them to disengage easily without having to use a GCD/Ability".0 -
Tonno_SenSei✭✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »Perhaps it would have been better to say "allowing them to disengage easily without having to use a GCD/Ability".
Yes, but who don't have a disengage ability has to die? Not so balance imo. Nerf mobility for all or nothing. Speed stacking isn't broken as Streak. With streak you can reach places that others can not.3 -
Galarthor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tonno_SenSei wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »Perhaps it would have been better to say "allowing them to disengage easily without having to use a GCD/Ability".
Yes, but who don't have a disengage ability has to die? Not so balance imo. Nerf mobility for all or nothing. Speed stacking isn't broken as Streak. With streak you can reach places that others can not.
If you think streak is broken in the sense of OP you are delusional.
Stam builds achieve the same kind speed and maintain it for far longer than streaking can. In additional they can perform actions anytime they want unlike streaking sorcs who get stunned when using the ability. And unlike streak, you can run around corners and obstacles.
There are only very few situations where streak might be advantagous - i.e. when streaking over a gap in the environment. But most of these gaps can also be jumped across when running fast enough.
People complained about the streak of the past. Nowadays stambuilds can achieve the same but cheaper and a lot more mobile / flexible while also being able to instantaneously react to incoming damage etc.6 -
Tonno_SenSei✭✭Tonno_SenSei wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »Perhaps it would have been better to say "allowing them to disengage easily without having to use a GCD/Ability".
Yes, but who don't have a disengage ability has to die? Not so balance imo. Nerf mobility for all or nothing. Speed stacking isn't broken as Streak. With streak you can reach places that others can not.
If you think streak is broken in the sense of OP you are delusional.
Stam builds achieve the same kind speed and maintain it for far longer than streaking can. In additional they can perform actions anytime they want unlike streaking sorcs who get stunned when using the ability. And unlike streak, you can run around corners and obstacles.
There are only very few situations where streak might be advantagous - i.e. when streaking over a gap in the environment. But most of these gaps can also be jumped across when running fast enough.
People complained about the streak of the past. Nowadays stambuilds can achieve the same but cheaper and a lot more mobile / flexible while also being able to instantaneously react to incoming damage etc.
you forget the little globe that absorb projectiles or the mass stun. I used magsorc for a lot and compared to other classes has the best mobility. Sprint is cheaper but not as effective, you can't follow a sorc streaking on top of rocks or other places0 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tonno_SenSei wrote: »Tonno_SenSei wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »Perhaps it would have been better to say "allowing them to disengage easily without having to use a GCD/Ability".
Yes, but who don't have a disengage ability has to die? Not so balance imo. Nerf mobility for all or nothing. Speed stacking isn't broken as Streak. With streak you can reach places that others can not.
If you think streak is broken in the sense of OP you are delusional.
Stam builds achieve the same kind speed and maintain it for far longer than streaking can. In additional they can perform actions anytime they want unlike streaking sorcs who get stunned when using the ability. And unlike streak, you can run around corners and obstacles.
There are only very few situations where streak might be advantagous - i.e. when streaking over a gap in the environment. But most of these gaps can also be jumped across when running fast enough.
People complained about the streak of the past. Nowadays stambuilds can achieve the same but cheaper and a lot more mobile / flexible while also being able to instantaneously react to incoming damage etc.
you forget the little globe that absorb projectiles or the mass stun. I used magsorc for a lot and compared to other classes has the best mobility. Sprint is cheaper but not as effective, you can't follow a sorc streaking on top of rocks or other places
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Galarthor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tonno_SenSei wrote: »Tonno_SenSei wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »Perhaps it would have been better to say "allowing them to disengage easily without having to use a GCD/Ability".
Yes, but who don't have a disengage ability has to die? Not so balance imo. Nerf mobility for all or nothing. Speed stacking isn't broken as Streak. With streak you can reach places that others can not.
If you think streak is broken in the sense of OP you are delusional.
Stam builds achieve the same kind speed and maintain it for far longer than streaking can. In additional they can perform actions anytime they want unlike streaking sorcs who get stunned when using the ability. And unlike streak, you can run around corners and obstacles.
There are only very few situations where streak might be advantagous - i.e. when streaking over a gap in the environment. But most of these gaps can also be jumped across when running fast enough.
People complained about the streak of the past. Nowadays stambuilds can achieve the same but cheaper and a lot more mobile / flexible while also being able to instantaneously react to incoming damage etc.
you forget the little globe that absorb projectiles or the mass stun. I used magsorc for a lot and compared to other classes has the best mobility. Sprint is cheaper but not as effective, you can't follow a sorc streaking on top of rocks or other places
Every stam-build has more mobility than a magSorc. StamSorc probably currently has the best mobiltiy in the game. But that's due to the fact that they are stam based and can also use streak on top of that.
You mean that Orb that only absorbs magicka projectiles? Pretty great tool when you are being chased and overtaken by those stamina builds with a far greater mobility.
And then there are still the gap closers that easily outperform streak. 2 streaks can be countered by 1 gap closer. Gap closer spamming is a great way of killing a streaking sorc. You deal damage to the sorc while he is dealing non to you and quickly running out of resources. Btw, gap closers are also a great tool to get across gaps that not even streak can get across. So next time you want to get to a sorc on a rock and your stamina-based-speed-buffed-jumping game is just not good enough simply use a gap closer it works wonders. You are welcome.2 -
Tonno_SenSei✭✭Tonno_SenSei wrote: »Tonno_SenSei wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »Perhaps it would have been better to say "allowing them to disengage easily without having to use a GCD/Ability".
Yes, but who don't have a disengage ability has to die? Not so balance imo. Nerf mobility for all or nothing. Speed stacking isn't broken as Streak. With streak you can reach places that others can not.
If you think streak is broken in the sense of OP you are delusional.
Stam builds achieve the same kind speed and maintain it for far longer than streaking can. In additional they can perform actions anytime they want unlike streaking sorcs who get stunned when using the ability. And unlike streak, you can run around corners and obstacles.
There are only very few situations where streak might be advantagous - i.e. when streaking over a gap in the environment. But most of these gaps can also be jumped across when running fast enough.
People complained about the streak of the past. Nowadays stambuilds can achieve the same but cheaper and a lot more mobile / flexible while also being able to instantaneously react to incoming damage etc.
you forget the little globe that absorb projectiles or the mass stun. I used magsorc for a lot and compared to other classes has the best mobility. Sprint is cheaper but not as effective, you can't follow a sorc streaking on top of rocks or other places
Every stam-build has more mobility than a magSorc. StamSorc probably currently has the best mobiltiy in the game. But that's due to the fact that they are stam based and can also use streak on top of that.
You mean that Orb that only absorbs magicka projectiles? Pretty great tool when you are being chased and overtaken by those stamina builds with a far greater mobility.
And then there are still the gap closers that easily outperform streak. 2 streaks can be countered by 1 gap closer. Gap closer spamming is a great way of killing a streaking sorc. You deal damage to the sorc while he is dealing non to you and quickly running out of resources. Btw, gap closers are also a great tool to get across gaps that not even streak can get across. So next time you want to get to a sorc on a rock and your stamina-based-speed-buffed-jumping game is just not good enough simply use a gap closer it works wonders. You are welcome.
Gap Closers are wasted slots, cost too much, deal low damage and if you use line of sight while streaking are useless. I repeat, i played mag sorc and it is ridiculous, it has some of the best tools of the game for kite, survive and deals dmg.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I usually agree with class reps but dont understand all the fuss about speed and cp
Let us have our play-style....1 -
jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I usually agree with class reps but dont understand all the fuss about speed and cp
Let us have our play-style....
For speed, it is breaking the targeting system. Melee skills just give up when trying to land against highly mobile players. I've lost count of the times my attacks just fail to land because my target either ran out of range before the skill actually lands, or they strafed, or LOS'd by running into me. And those are instant cast, cast time skills are literally impossible against these players.3 -
josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is the only overpowered disengage. Doesn't even have increasing cost either. Can't gap close to it. Automatically dodges everything and even suppresses dot damage. Wow!1
