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MAGDEN NEEDS A BUFF!

TiZzA93
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If you look up liko on youtube he has been testing max dps with bis gear and being provided buff/debuffs n synergies etc.

All his parses are 58-61k except magwarden just hitting 50k <<< can combat team watch these pls and admit to needing to buff magden slightly WITHOUT buffing stamden, he even uses the bear which would not be in trials hmvet dung dlc dung etc so its more than likely the dps wud have been 47k, pls dont keep killing off magden players.
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  • Taleof2Cities
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    Not sure if you missed the PTS patch notes ... or conveniently ignored the PTS patch notes because you only play DPS.

    Magden is getting tons of buffs this patch.

    Animation Companions
    - Advanced Species: Increased the bonus to damage done for each Animal Companion ability slotted to 3% at rank II, previously 2%.
    - Betty Netch: Increased the resources restored by this ability and its morphs by approximately 60%.
    - Cutting Dive (morph): This morph now also reduces the cost as a morph effect.
    - Screaming Cliff Racer (morph): This morph no longer has a minimum range requirement to obtain part of the 15% damage done bonus. Every meter you are away from the target adds 1% damage done, up to a maximum of 15%.
    - Bird of Prey (morph): The Minor Berserk buff is now granted at all times while this morph is slotted.
    - Deceptive Predator (morph): The Minor Evasion buff is now granted at all times while this morph is slotted.
    - Scorch: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.

    Green Balance
    - Maturation: The Minor Toughness granted by this passive now applies even if the target was completely over-healed, and its duration has been increased to 10/20 seconds from 5/10 seconds.
    - Nature’s Grasp: This ability can now target your Feral Guardian and its morphs.

    Winter’s Embrace
    - Arctic Wind; Arctic Blast (morph): This morph now fires a projectile that stuns the target in addition to healing you. It requires an enemy target to cast the ability.
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    Not sure if you missed the PTS patch notes ... or conveniently ignored the PTS patch notes because you only play DPS.

    Magden is getting tons of buffs this patch.

    Animation Companions
    - Advanced Species: Increased the bonus to damage done for each Animal Companion ability slotted to 3% at rank II, previously 2%.
    - Betty Netch: Increased the resources restored by this ability and its morphs by approximately 60%.
    - Cutting Dive (morph): This morph now also reduces the cost as a morph effect.
    - Screaming Cliff Racer (morph): This morph no longer has a minimum range requirement to obtain part of the 15% damage done bonus. Every meter you are away from the target adds 1% damage done, up to a maximum of 15%.
    - Bird of Prey (morph): The Minor Berserk buff is now granted at all times while this morph is slotted.
    - Deceptive Predator (morph): The Minor Evasion buff is now granted at all times while this morph is slotted.
    - Scorch: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.

    Green Balance
    - Maturation: The Minor Toughness granted by this passive now applies even if the target was completely over-healed, and its duration has been increased to 10/20 seconds from 5/10 seconds.
    - Nature’s Grasp: This ability can now target your Feral Guardian and its morphs.

    Winter’s Embrace
    - Arctic Wind; Arctic Blast (morph): This morph now fires a projectile that stuns the target in addition to healing you. It requires an enemy target to cast the ability.

    Those are buffs to Stamden not Magden, the only one i agree 100% with is the bird of prey one and the betty buff (btw, it is 40% not 60%). Bear got the dmg nerfed and it was mostly used by Magden. If they buffed Piercing cold instead of Advanced species, then yeah, that would have been a Magden buff more than a Stamden. Now stamina wardens benefit even more.

    And with the evasion changes, seeing as most of Magden DMG is AOE that is also a nerf.

    The Arctic wind change is overall a nerf if they do not add dmg to it as now Frost reach is a tons better. And now without the old Arctic wind, Healthdens took a hit.

    We need a DMG passive instead of Icy aura and to move the buff from Advanced species to Piercing cold, that should balance stamina and magicka warden.
    Edited by Drygon on September 29, 2018 10:18PM
  • MLGProPlayer
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    Not sure if you missed the PTS patch notes ... or conveniently ignored the PTS patch notes because you only play DPS.

    Magden is getting tons of buffs this patch.

    Animation Companions
    - Advanced Species: Increased the bonus to damage done for each Animal Companion ability slotted to 3% at rank II, previously 2%.
    - Betty Netch: Increased the resources restored by this ability and its morphs by approximately 60%.
    - Cutting Dive (morph): This morph now also reduces the cost as a morph effect.
    - Screaming Cliff Racer (morph): This morph no longer has a minimum range requirement to obtain part of the 15% damage done bonus. Every meter you are away from the target adds 1% damage done, up to a maximum of 15%.
    - Bird of Prey (morph): The Minor Berserk buff is now granted at all times while this morph is slotted.
    - Deceptive Predator (morph): The Minor Evasion buff is now granted at all times while this morph is slotted.
    - Scorch: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.

    Green Balance
    - Maturation: The Minor Toughness granted by this passive now applies even if the target was completely over-healed, and its duration has been increased to 10/20 seconds from 5/10 seconds.
    - Nature’s Grasp: This ability can now target your Feral Guardian and its morphs.

    Winter’s Embrace
    - Arctic Wind; Arctic Blast (morph): This morph now fires a projectile that stuns the target in addition to healing you. It requires an enemy target to cast the ability.

    Please read the patch notes FULLY/play on the PTS before commenting. Your comment is not productive in its current form as it ignores all matter of context.

    Magdens got buffs AND nerfs (which you conveniently ignored in your post). The end result is the same DPS as before (which was VERY low), or even a DPS loss in some tests.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 30, 2018 5:27AM
  • LiquidPony
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    Not sure if you missed the PTS patch notes ... or conveniently ignored the PTS patch notes because you only play DPS.

    Magden is getting tons of buffs this patch.

    Animation Companions
    - Advanced Species: Increased the bonus to damage done for each Animal Companion ability slotted to 3% at rank II, previously 2%.
    - Betty Netch: Increased the resources restored by this ability and its morphs by approximately 60%.
    - Cutting Dive (morph): This morph now also reduces the cost as a morph effect.
    - Screaming Cliff Racer (morph): This morph no longer has a minimum range requirement to obtain part of the 15% damage done bonus. Every meter you are away from the target adds 1% damage done, up to a maximum of 15%.
    - Bird of Prey (morph): The Minor Berserk buff is now granted at all times while this morph is slotted.
    - Deceptive Predator (morph): The Minor Evasion buff is now granted at all times while this morph is slotted.
    - Scorch: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.

    Green Balance
    - Maturation: The Minor Toughness granted by this passive now applies even if the target was completely over-healed, and its duration has been increased to 10/20 seconds from 5/10 seconds.
    - Nature’s Grasp: This ability can now target your Feral Guardian and its morphs.

    Winter’s Embrace
    - Arctic Wind; Arctic Blast (morph): This morph now fires a projectile that stuns the target in addition to healing you. It requires an enemy target to cast the ability.

    Please read the patch notes FULLY/play on the PTS before commenting. Your comment is not productive in its current form as it ignores all matter of context.

    Magdens got buffs AND nerfs (which you conveniently ignored in your post). The end result is the same DPS as before (which was VERY low), or even a DPS loss in some tests.

    Example:



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    @MLGProPlayer

    Liko's recent magwarden video isn't a max DPS parse. It is a rotation showcase ... says so in the title.

    It's not optimal compared to these 57k+ parses we're seeing on other classes in a number of ways:

    1. He's using Master Architect rather than Spell Strategist ... these massive parses on other classes are all using Siroria + Spell Strategist.
    2. He's using 2 x Arcane/1 x Bloodthirsty. Many of the big parses you see (like Stileanima's 57k+ magsorc parses.) are using 3 x Bloodthirsty.
    3. He's not getting Combat Prayer and doesn't have Bird of Prey slotted on either bar, so no Minor Berserk.

    Those differences are pretty big in terms of DPS. Master Architect to Spell Strategist alone was close to 2k for me in solo parses.

    I had someone come throw Orbs/Ele/IA/Combat Prayer for me yesterday and I hit 52.5k on a magwarden (no Deep Fissure worked in yet, either, and my rotation is super sloppy).

    I do agree that magwarden DPS is likely lower than other classes but the difference is being exaggerated. I expect that 54k is easily possible, probably more like 55k+.
    Edited by LiquidPony on September 30, 2018 4:46AM
  • MLGProPlayer
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    LiquidPony wrote: »
    Not sure if you missed the PTS patch notes ... or conveniently ignored the PTS patch notes because you only play DPS.

    Magden is getting tons of buffs this patch.

    Animation Companions
    - Advanced Species: Increased the bonus to damage done for each Animal Companion ability slotted to 3% at rank II, previously 2%.
    - Betty Netch: Increased the resources restored by this ability and its morphs by approximately 60%.
    - Cutting Dive (morph): This morph now also reduces the cost as a morph effect.
    - Screaming Cliff Racer (morph): This morph no longer has a minimum range requirement to obtain part of the 15% damage done bonus. Every meter you are away from the target adds 1% damage done, up to a maximum of 15%.
    - Bird of Prey (morph): The Minor Berserk buff is now granted at all times while this morph is slotted.
    - Deceptive Predator (morph): The Minor Evasion buff is now granted at all times while this morph is slotted.
    - Scorch: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 25%.

    Green Balance
    - Maturation: The Minor Toughness granted by this passive now applies even if the target was completely over-healed, and its duration has been increased to 10/20 seconds from 5/10 seconds.
    - Nature’s Grasp: This ability can now target your Feral Guardian and its morphs.

    Winter’s Embrace
    - Arctic Wind; Arctic Blast (morph): This morph now fires a projectile that stuns the target in addition to healing you. It requires an enemy target to cast the ability.

    Please read the patch notes FULLY/play on the PTS before commenting. Your comment is not productive in its current form as it ignores all matter of context.

    Magdens got buffs AND nerfs (which you conveniently ignored in your post). The end result is the same DPS as before (which was VERY low), or even a DPS loss in some tests.

    Example:



    vs.


    @MLGProPlayer

    Liko's recent magwarden video isn't a max DPS parse. It is a rotation showcase ... says so in the title.

    It's not optimal compared to these 57k+ parses we're seeing on other classes in a number of ways:

    1. He's using Master Architect rather than Spell Strategist ... these massive parses on other classes are all using Siroria + Spell Strategist.
    2. He's using 2 x Arcane/1 x Bloodthirsty. Many of the big parses you see (like Stileanima's 57k+ magsorc parses.) are using 3 x Bloodthirsty.
    3. He's not getting Combat Prayer and doesn't have Bird of Prey slotted on either bar, so no Minor Berserk.

    Those differences are pretty big in terms of DPS. Master Architect to Spell Strategist alone was close to 2k for me in solo parses.

    I had someone come throw Orbs/Ele/IA/Combat Prayer for me yesterday and I hit 52.5k on a magwarden (no Deep Fissure worked in yet, either, and my rotation is super sloppy).

    I do agree that magwarden DPS is likely lower than other classes but the difference is being exaggerated. I expect that 54k is easily possible, probably more like 55k+.

    Yep. He re-did the test today with the same conditions. 57k with bear, so most likely 55k without it. Still the weakest DPS class, but not as bad as initially thought.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 30, 2018 5:29AM
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    Dps test using Zaad? GGWP
    Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.
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