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Major bug with backbar enchants
glavius
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Tested with Poison injection, Destructive reach and Elemental blockade, both with direct damage enchant and weapon damage enchant.
Direct damage enchant, hit while on the bar it's used from=2949 damage. Hit while procced on front bar from the dot=175 damage.
Weapon damage enchant cast on back bar but activated by dot while on front bar only buffs damage by a tiny amount. In the 40-50 damage range. While it increased around 600 if used on the main bar.
Direct damage enchant, hit while on the bar it's used from=2949 damage. Hit while procced on front bar from the dot=175 damage.
Weapon damage enchant cast on back bar but activated by dot while on front bar only buffs damage by a tiny amount. In the 40-50 damage range. While it increased around 600 if used on the main bar.
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glavius✭✭✭✭✭Tested once again with infused gold weapon damage enchant cp 160. Total weapon damage is increased from 2093 to 2135 so a total of 42 weapon damage when I light attack with the backbar (with the gold weapon enchant) and swap to main bar before it hits.0
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Jaxaxo✭✭✭✭Oh, poison injection and reach dot is proccing offbar enchant? As far as i remember it was only working with ele blockade, dual wield cloak (if first tick hit on dual wield bar) and arrow barrage.Forum War - pro AC side
EU PC Azura Star/Sotha Sil/Bahlokdaan/Ravenwatch
Triggered Tryhards / Aetherius Art / LND / DC-PD
DC - Frostitute magden
AD - Pees-under-Trees magden
DC - Lemme Dark Deal stamsorc
EP - Lemme Dark Déal stamsorc
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glavius✭✭✭✭✭Oh, poison injection and reach dot is proccing offbar enchant? As far as i remember it was only working with ele blockade, dual wield cloak (if first tick hit on dual wield bar) and arrow barrage.
Yep they changed that but at the same time introduced this bug which makes it useless (and worse than on live) if not fixed
Edited by glavius on September 22, 2018 5:52PM0 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭this needs to get fixed before patch goes live, not 2 months after like usual
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Nightingale707✭✭✭I might be wrong but to my knowledge, WD enchants only ever procced from light/heavy attacksm not from abilities - most DDs moved WD enchant to front and Flame/Poison to backbar because of that1
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Jaxaxo✭✭✭✭Oh, nice, this would give some more theorycrafting options for setups. Was really considering deadly cloak cuz of this, with injection for example this could be worth testing.
@ZOS_GinaBruno would love if zos could look at thisForum War - pro AC side
EU PC Azura Star/Sotha Sil/Bahlokdaan/Ravenwatch
Triggered Tryhards / Aetherius Art / LND / DC-PD
DC - Frostitute magden
AD - Pees-under-Trees magden
DC - Lemme Dark Deal stamsorc
EP - Lemme Dark Déal stamsorc
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Jaxaxo✭✭✭✭Nightingale707 wrote: »I might be wrong but to my knowledge, WD enchants only ever procced from light/heavy attacksm not from abilities - most DDs moved WD enchant to front and Flame/Poison to backbar because of that
They moved them cuz with this we get constant backbar dmg enchant proc from ele blockade, and switching to backbar for recast some skills wouldnt cause loss of dps (cuz berserk enchant lasts 5 sec)Forum War - pro AC side
EU PC Azura Star/Sotha Sil/Bahlokdaan/Ravenwatch
Triggered Tryhards / Aetherius Art / LND / DC-PD
DC - Frostitute magden
AD - Pees-under-Trees magden
DC - Lemme Dark Deal stamsorc
EP - Lemme Dark Déal stamsorc
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nightingale707 wrote: »I might be wrong but to my knowledge, WD enchants only ever procced from light/heavy attacksm not from abilities - most DDs moved WD enchant to front and Flame/Poison to backbar because of that
You are wrong
This is PTS for new patch. New patch means new things like ALL enchantments procing from ALL damaging weapon skills. 1 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nightingale707 wrote: »I might be wrong but to my knowledge, WD enchants only ever procced from light/heavy attacksm not from abilities - most DDs moved WD enchant to front and Flame/Poison to backbar because of that
You are wrong This is PTS for new patch. New patch means new things like ALL enchantments procing from ALL damaging weapon skills.
That’s an awesome change. Now if only it worked.2 -
Jaxaxo✭✭✭✭Nightingale707 wrote: »I might be wrong but to my knowledge, WD enchants only ever procced from light/heavy attacksm not from abilities - most DDs moved WD enchant to front and Flame/Poison to backbar because of that
You are wrong This is PTS for new patch. New patch means new things like ALL enchantments procing from ALL damaging weapon skills.
Hmmm, so i have question, maybe somebody tested. Are those enchants proccing from DSA/MA/AS/BR weapons that alter skills. Like mercifull charge or new draining shot dot?Forum War - pro AC side
EU PC Azura Star/Sotha Sil/Bahlokdaan/Ravenwatch
Triggered Tryhards / Aetherius Art / LND / DC-PD
DC - Frostitute magden
AD - Pees-under-Trees magden
DC - Lemme Dark Deal stamsorc
EP - Lemme Dark Déal stamsorc
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nightingale707 wrote: »I might be wrong but to my knowledge, WD enchants only ever procced from light/heavy attacksm not from abilities - most DDs moved WD enchant to front and Flame/Poison to backbar because of that
You are wrong This is PTS for new patch. New patch means new things like ALL enchantments procing from ALL damaging weapon skills.
Hmmm, so i have question, maybe somebody tested. Are those enchants proccing from DSA/MA/AS/BR weapons that alter skills. Like mercifull charge or new draining shot dot?
No. They proc only from weapon skills not from sets bonuses (even tho they are activated by weapon skills). Stuff like new bow scattershot dot or new impulse dot dont proc it (tested) and that makes 100% sense and it shouldnt work for any other special weapon (like vma 2h)WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nightingale707 wrote: »I might be wrong but to my knowledge, WD enchants only ever procced from light/heavy attacksm not from abilities - most DDs moved WD enchant to front and Flame/Poison to backbar because of that
You are wrong This is PTS for new patch. New patch means new things like ALL enchantments procing from ALL damaging weapon skills.
That’s an awesome change. Now if only it worked.
It worked for me, at least I am positive it did so I think OP's issue isnt common or it would get more noticed by all those dps testings going around.Edited by SodanTok on September 22, 2018 7:05PM1 -
Jaxaxo✭✭✭✭I mean, i hoped a bit but ye. Those weapon bonuses already works a bit diffrent that u would expect (tbh i thought merciless charge was like proc, but opposite to normal procs dmg from it can still crit, that's why was wondering if there are ony other cases)Forum War - pro AC side
EU PC Azura Star/Sotha Sil/Bahlokdaan/Ravenwatch
Triggered Tryhards / Aetherius Art / LND / DC-PD
DC - Frostitute magden
AD - Pees-under-Trees magden
DC - Lemme Dark Deal stamsorc
EP - Lemme Dark Déal stamsorc
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glavius✭✭✭✭✭Nightingale707 wrote: »I might be wrong but to my knowledge, WD enchants only ever procced from light/heavy attacksm not from abilities - most DDs moved WD enchant to front and Flame/Poison to backbar because of that
You are wrong This is PTS for new patch. New patch means new things like ALL enchantments procing from ALL damaging weapon skills.
Hmmm, so i have question, maybe somebody tested. Are those enchants proccing from DSA/MA/AS/BR weapons that alter skills. Like mercifull charge or new draining shot dot?
No. They proc only from weapon skills not from sets bonuses (even tho they are activated by weapon skills). Stuff like new bow scattershot dot or new impulse dot dont proc it (tested) and that makes 100% sense and it shouldnt work for any other special weapon (like vma 2h)WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nightingale707 wrote: »I might be wrong but to my knowledge, WD enchants only ever procced from light/heavy attacksm not from abilities - most DDs moved WD enchant to front and Flame/Poison to backbar because of that
You are wrong This is PTS for new patch. New patch means new things like ALL enchantments procing from ALL damaging weapon skills.
That’s an awesome change. Now if only it worked.
It worked for me, at least I am positive it did so I think OP's issue isnt common or it would get more noticed by all those dps testings going around.
Weird. But if people use endless hail/elemental blockade for dps tests, those skills might work correctly (the dot part of those did after all work with enchants before this patch also, while poison injection/destructive reach didn't)0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nightingale707 wrote: »I might be wrong but to my knowledge, WD enchants only ever procced from light/heavy attacksm not from abilities - most DDs moved WD enchant to front and Flame/Poison to backbar because of that
You are wrong This is PTS for new patch. New patch means new things like ALL enchantments procing from ALL damaging weapon skills.
Hmmm, so i have question, maybe somebody tested. Are those enchants proccing from DSA/MA/AS/BR weapons that alter skills. Like mercifull charge or new draining shot dot?
No. They proc only from weapon skills not from sets bonuses (even tho they are activated by weapon skills). Stuff like new bow scattershot dot or new impulse dot dont proc it (tested) and that makes 100% sense and it shouldnt work for any other special weapon (like vma 2h)WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nightingale707 wrote: »I might be wrong but to my knowledge, WD enchants only ever procced from light/heavy attacksm not from abilities - most DDs moved WD enchant to front and Flame/Poison to backbar because of that
You are wrong This is PTS for new patch. New patch means new things like ALL enchantments procing from ALL damaging weapon skills.
That’s an awesome change. Now if only it worked.
It worked for me, at least I am positive it did so I think OP's issue isnt common or it would get more noticed by all those dps testings going around.
Weird. But if people use endless hail/elemental blockade for dps tests, those skills might work correctly (the dot part of those did after all work with enchants before this patch also, while poison injection/destructive reach didn't)
Dunno but I have no issue. Hail, Acid Spray, Poison Injection all proc absorb stam or weapon damage enchant correctly from any bar.0 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is indeed something messy going on with this. Tried infused torug to proc enchants more often to see how damage change and nothing did changed.
But then removed gear and tried again and combat log was showing that damage of both dot skill and enchants were changing:
^^(last tick - 1595, is it actual damage that it deal without bar-swapping)
Have to test more but it seems something messing when you switch bars.
Edited by Cinbri on September 23, 2018 2:21PM0 -
glavius✭✭✭✭✭A few screenshots showing the issue. For me it's bugged both with destructive reach and elemental blockade.
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ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerThanks guys, just confirming we've seen this thread and are looking into it.Gina Bruno
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glavius✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Thanks guys, just confirming we've seen this thread and are looking into it.
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ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerHmm, we weren't able to repro what you're seeing @glavius, even using the same addon. Any more info you can provide that may help?Gina Bruno
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glavius✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hmm, we weren't able to repro what you're seeing @glavius, even using the same addon. Any more info you can provide that may help?
Weird. It was easy to reproduce for me even without using addons. I've added a video of the bug, but just to be clear:
Bug happens with backbar enchants proccing from a dot cast with backbar weapon while being on frontbar (in this case destructive clench).
https://youtu.be/a0Kuihn_nt4
You can clearly see enchant proc for 3407 damage (crit)and initial clench hit for 843 damage.
Subsequent enchant hits are 111 non crit and 167 crit, with the dot shown in orange colours below.
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glavius✭✭✭✭✭Also, rending slashes will proc both weapon enchants on cooldown.
Just tested a single rending slashes hit. It did 87k damage to target dummy with a non optimized setup :-|0 -
glavius✭✭✭✭✭Another rending slashes test with dual enchants on target dummy. Near optimized setup. Single hit 146k damage!0
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codestripper✭✭✭✭✭Another rending slashes test with dual enchants on target dummy. Near optimized setup. Single hit 146k damage!
Please post screenshots of combat metrics, I need a good laugh tonight.Since everyone seems to be doing this,
DPS Builds:
- Magicka Sorcerer (Pet) [Flawless Conqueror @ 565CP] - 582k
- Magicka Nightblade [Flawless Conqueror @ 780CP] - 575k
- Stamina Sorcerer [Flawless Conqueror @ 420CP] - 560k
- Magicka Classless [Flawless Conqueror @ 810CP] - 540k
- Magicka Templar [Stormproof] - 550k
- Magicka Warden [Stormproof] - 510k
- Stamina Templar [In Development]
- Stamina DK [In Development]
- Stamina NB [Under 50]0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh, poison injection and reach dot is proccing offbar enchant? As far as i remember it was only working with ele blockade, dual wield cloak (if first tick hit on dual wield bar) and arrow barrage.
@Jaxaxo
iirc, Summerset made it so bad bar enchant proced off skills fired from back bar even when on the front bar. It is why damage enchant on back bar with weapon damage enchant front bar is the think now.
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hmm, we weren't able to repro what you're seeing @glavius, even using the same addon. Any more info you can provide that may help?
With WoE and Destructive touch my back bar damage enchant is procing just fine when on the front bar, on PTS of course. I used both shock and fire enchants.
On stam it is a little different for me. it is procing for about 1/3 less than the tooltip for the enchantment reads. Back bar tooltip has 4545 poison damage enchant and it is procing for 2999 off endless hail and Poison injection.Edited by idk on September 26, 2018 10:09PM0 -
glavius✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hmm, we weren't able to repro what you're seeing @glavius, even using the same addon. Any more info you can provide that may help?
Did you manage to replicate the bug yet?0 -
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✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Thanks guys, just confirming we've seen this thread and are looking into it.
Wanted to say thank you for the communication! We really appreciate being acknowledged! 0
