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So Weve Seen what Happens when Sorcs get a Small Nerf
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Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's not just sorc. Light armor in general is garbage on the PTS. There is no reason not to use medium or heavy, except for the penetration and crit. The regen and cost reduction are barely noticeable to be honest, and snare reduction is worthless when you die because you can't roll or break free. Even now on live some one shots require more than one roll to escape OR for you to never be in melee range.
What I find odd is that medium armor lost passive evasion, gained something. Yet shield is pretty much "lost" and light armor gains nothing. It's a crappy patch and if they want to keep the cast time, the skill is better deleted and replaced with a skill that doesn't have cast time and heals and/or reduces damage IMO.4 -
Galaen_Frost✭✭✭To be fair it isn't NBs DPS being changed. It's our survivability. We were just way too good at staying alive and killing stuff at the same time. We flew to close to the sun and now our faces are gonna melt.Wandering the lands of Tamriel, waiting for the hammer to drop.0 -
Imperial_Voice✭✭✭✭✭
✭Galaen_Frost wrote: »To be fair it isn't NBs DPS being changed. It's our survivability. We were just way too good at staying alive and killing stuff at the same time. We flew to close to the sun and now our faces are gonna melt.
The thing is, your survivability isnt what needed worked on at all. Youll ultimately be in a similar position next patch in PvP as you are today.0 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭At this point, as far as I'm concerned anyone still dragging drama out of the PTS forum, attacking ZOS directly or indirectly, or otherwise being a disruptive *** about anything in the Update 20 patch is an acceptable loss.
A tree doesn't cling to rotten fruit merely because it already put in the effort to make them. Expecting ZOS to do the same is unreasonable. If you're going to be rotten, drop off.signing off9 -
themaddaedra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
Lol the only point i made was that community is super toxic over a nerf and then everyone goes and makes my point.
What i don't relate is you saying Now imagine what the forums will be when NBs are eventually brought in to line with other classes . NBs got a hugeload of nerf, which is not going to kill them in any way, but make them way more in line with others. I partially agree with the toxic part, but that's what have always been when people lose their powers. It was OP and it got reworked, but for ones who got nerfed it's just them being nerfed. It was more than obvious that this nerf wouldn't make sorcs happy in any way. It sure doesn't mean it was unjust tho.
We will have to agree to disagree here then because in my opinion Nightblades were barely touched and their DPS certainly wont be affected much at all.
Magblades are not the only class that's being accepted for vAS/vCR because of their a few k more dips. It's funnel health and refreshing path. They heal so nicely that it's like 10 healers raid. Now refreshing path doesn't do any damage, and funnel morph has waaaaaaay less dips. Which means NBs will go for swallow soul and they won't be healing anyone but themselves anymore. That'll bring other class back on the table, wait and see.
Edit: Also remember that their a few k more dips was due to their out-of-hand sustain and it got hit to make it in line with sorc sustain too.Edited by themaddaedra on September 24, 2018 5:59PMPC|EU1 -
Imperial_Voice✭✭✭✭✭
✭themaddaedra wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
Lol the only point i made was that community is super toxic over a nerf and then everyone goes and makes my point.
What i don't relate is you saying Now imagine what the forums will be when NBs are eventually brought in to line with other classes . NBs got a hugeload of nerf, which is not going to kill them in any way, but make them way more in line with others. I partially agree with the toxic part, but that's what have always been when people lose their powers. It was OP and it got reworked, but for ones who got nerfed it's just them being nerfed. It was more than obvious that this nerf wouldn't make sorcs happy in any way. It sure doesn't mean it was unjust tho.
We will have to agree to disagree here then because in my opinion Nightblades were barely touched and their DPS certainly wont be affected much at all.
Magblades are not the only class that's being accepted for vAS/vCR because of their a few k more dips. It's funnel health and refreshing path. They heal so nicely that it's like 10 healers raid. Now refreshing path doesn't do any damage, and funnel morph has waaaaaaay less dips. Which means NBs will go for swallow soul and they won't be healing anyone but themselves anymore. That'll bring other class back on the table, wait and see.
The biggest problem with MagBlades next patch is going to be LA use, same thing thats effecting all Mag classes but what about Stamblade?0 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »The saddest part of all this is that like every other thread, it becomes an us vs them. Take it from someone that actually plays all the classes. NBs are in a fine spot. They should be used as benchmark to buff other specs up to that level. Sorcs on the other hand, are in real F'ing trouble from a PVP perspective next patch. I will simply play another class, but I certainly dont want to see the other 4 nerfed out of spite.
I agree.
Too many people share this primitive tribalistic mentality. They see sorc execute on their death recap and happily support the nerfs. But supporting this kind of nerfs will just mean that this nerf whack-a-mole will continue and their class might be the next target. It's especially funny to see cryblades celebrating it as it's some kind of victory, not realizing that they will certainly become the next target if it continues like this.
tbh I'd see stamblades, and to a certain extent stamdks are the ones that rejoice with sorc nerfs
but ye what after the NB nerfs, ZoS nerfs hammer has an endless hunger according to ancient texts DKs, Templars (again), or Warden or they make a new class just to nerf it??? "The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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✭✭✭✭The drama is sickening. One would think a meteor was hurtling from outer space and was going to hit in less than a one second cast time.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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Galaen_Frost✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »Galaen_Frost wrote: »To be fair it isn't NBs DPS being changed. It's our survivability. We were just way too good at staying alive and killing stuff at the same time. We flew to close to the sun and now our faces are gonna melt.
The thing is, your survivability isnt what needed worked on at all. Youll ultimately be in a similar position next patch in PvP as you are today.
Whats a peeveepee?
Wandering the lands of Tamriel, waiting for the hammer to drop.2 -
Yusuf✭✭✭✭✭themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
What PVE-Disneyland are you "main"ing Sorc in if 1s cast time won't make any difference?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Galaen_Frost wrote: »To be fair it isn't NBs DPS being changed. It's our survivability. We were just way too good at staying alive and killing stuff at the same time. We flew to close to the sun and now our faces are gonna melt.
Not at the extreme end of things it's not. The messed with Refreshing path and Funnel health/Swallow soul. The best NBs dont use either in a group. The ceiling is just as high as it ever was. The floor however...Imperial_Voice wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
More than obvious you are not much into PVP, if you dont think a cast time (in the lag fest that is cyrodiil) on a classes main defensive skill wont really make a difference in most situations. Unless that situation is Erping in Deshaan, it's going to make a big difference.
PvP sorc main. Never said it wouldnt make a difference, said it was a small change. People will adapt, or more likely, Sorc PvP will suck for about 2 months and we will get patched back up.
You weren't the one I was quoting. But of course, now that you have said it (again), calling this a small change is just nonsense. It's so ridiculous that one should question your bias, because i find it more likely that you have a dog in the fight (interest in another class) than that you could actually fail to understand just how big of an impact this will have. I believe people are that selfish, but it's hard to believe anyone is truly that ignorant.
In no way whatsoever is this a small change. They have added a cast time to a classes main defense in what is perhaps the laggiest video game ever in a PVP scenario, and they are actually trying to dress it up as "not a nerf." It's a big f'ing change and a big f'ing nerf by any rational definition of the terms.4 -
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✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
Lol the only point i made was that community is super toxic over a nerf and then everyone goes and makes my point.
What i don't relate is you saying Now imagine what the forums will be when NBs are eventually brought in to line with other classes . NBs got a hugeload of nerf, which is not going to kill them in any way, but make them way more in line with others. I partially agree with the toxic part, but that's what have always been when people lose their powers. It was OP and it got reworked, but for ones who got nerfed it's just them being nerfed. It was more than obvious that this nerf wouldn't make sorcs happy in any way. It sure doesn't mean it was unjust tho.
We will have to agree to disagree here then because in my opinion Nightblades were barely touched and their DPS certainly wont be affected much at all.
Magblades are not the only class that's being accepted for vAS/vCR because of their a few k more dips. It's funnel health and refreshing path. They heal so nicely that it's like 10 healers raid. Now refreshing path doesn't do any damage, and funnel morph has waaaaaaay less dips. Which means NBs will go for swallow soul and they won't be healing anyone but themselves anymore. That'll bring other class back on the table, wait and see.
The biggest problem with MagBlades next patch is going to be LA use, same thing thats effecting all Mag classes but what about Stamblade?
I have to agree that stamblade is still out of hand. And i'm kinda angry that too many people confuse it to magblades.
Then again stamblade is not even a choice for latest pve content -vAS, vCR- and they are only having some op parses in crag trials, which i personally don't care at all. Stamblade pvp is kinda sick tho.PC|EU2 -
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✭✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »Now imagine what the forums will be when NBs are eventually brought in to line with other classes. This has been one of the most toxic responses on every side to one of the smallest changes. I hope ZoS is prepared.
Can you send me a link to the small change please?
Frags once lost 10% or so of its damage. That was a small nerf.
Overload lost half its stored ultimate. That was a fairly small nerf.
There wasn't much yelping about either of them.
There wasn't even much yelping when the (PvE solo) immortal Critical Surge build was nerfed into Oblivion.2 -
Imperial_Voice✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Galaen_Frost wrote: »To be fair it isn't NBs DPS being changed. It's our survivability. We were just way too good at staying alive and killing stuff at the same time. We flew to close to the sun and now our faces are gonna melt.
Not at the extreme end of things it's not. The messed with Refreshing path and Funnel health/Swallow soul. The best NBs dont use either in a group. The ceiling is just as high as it ever was. The floor however...Imperial_Voice wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
More than obvious you are not much into PVP, if you dont think a cast time (in the lag fest that is cyrodiil) on a classes main defensive skill wont really make a difference in most situations. Unless that situation is Erping in Deshaan, it's going to make a big difference.
PvP sorc main. Never said it wouldnt make a difference, said it was a small change. People will adapt, or more likely, Sorc PvP will suck for about 2 months and we will get patched back up.
You weren't the one I was quoting. But of course, now that you have said it (again), calling this a small change is just nonsense. It's so ridiculous that one should question your bias, because i find it more likely that you have a dog in the fight (interest in another class) than that you could actually fail to understand just how big of an impact this will have. I believe people are that selfish, but it's hard to believe anyone is truly that ignorant.
In no way whatsoever is this a small change. They have added a cast time to a classes main defense in what is perhaps the laggiest video game ever in a PVP scenario, and they are actually trying to dress it up as "not a nerf." It's a big f'ing change and a big f'ing nerf by any rational definition of the terms.
I can agree with that calling it anything other than a nerf is dishonest and frankly I find it shameful but I simply cant agrre that this is a big change because to me, and many others, its a fairly reasonablr nerf for a skill that was overperforming, again Ill agree to disagree on that one.4 -
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✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
More than obvious you are not much into PVP, if you dont think a cast time (in the lag fest that is cyrodiil) on a classes main defensive skill wont really make a difference in most situations. Unless that situation is Erping in Deshaan, it's going to make a big difference.
Main defense being stacking endless shields? Are you so angry because you can't stack them so quick now? Okay.PC|EU2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What are you talking about?
Nightblades just got a whole slew of nerfs.
Assassin’s blade and morphs (executes) cost increase by 30%.
Spectral bow cost increase.
Mark target nerf.
Path of darkness and refreshing path now deal NO DAMAGE! Meaning these morphs will no longer be used at all.
Funnel health nerf, now does 50% less damage! Meaning this won’t be used anymore either.
Nightblades will now not provide any healing for the group in trials because funnel health and refreshing path will no longer be used. So that is 5 Nightblade nerfs in one patch and you are saying what will happen when sorcs get “a small nerf”? LMAO!
Well this is excatly what You can call small nerf.
Assasin's Blade cost increase - completly justified since it was the best class execute in terms of dmg AND sustain.
Spectral Bow is not getting cost increase it's getting cost. previously it was free to cast and it deals dmg stronger then execute on enemie under 25% while also skill itself provides best source of minor berserk in the game. Same like with Assasins Blade skill was extremly cheap in use while doing very high dmg so nerf is justified. Nightblade could just keep light attack rotation easily thanks for Spectral Bow free procs and cheap execute.
Mark target nerf is nightblade nerf and buff at the same time. it's huge buff for stamblades which now will be able to just sprint /dodge behind some obstacle wait 2-3 seconds and restart fight easily.
I think You did not understood patch notes when it comes to Path of Darkness. The base skill will now just provide major expedition when Refreshing Path will provide also healing and Twisting Path morph will add damage. So there will be still morph that deals damage and skill will be used. It's pretty straight forward change targeting possibility of magblade to be damage dealer and off healer at the same time which was pushing real healers into the corner since You could just bring magblade/s.
Funnel health change is also pretty reasonable and follows same idea as Refreshing Path change. You either choose morph that heals allies but deals less dmg (Funnel Health) or morph that deals more dmg but heals You only (Swallow Soul). Heal value in both morphs remains more or less unchanged.
Nightblade DD wont provide group healing anymore because this is not DD job to heal group especially while doing damage at the same time and fact nightblades could do that was just bad design. All that nerfs are extremly slight compared to what's happening on sorc and despite all that "nerfs" nightblade will still be top dog just not that insanely above everyone else. Nightblade is just class packed with so many goodies there is much more to tone down then on other classes. It's like stealing 1.000 $ from millionaire and 100 $ from beggar and saying that millionaire was wrought much more.
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✭✭✭I wouldnt call it a small nerf
if they made blade cloak last for half the time and gave it a 1 sec cast time i wouldnt call it a small nerf0 -
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✭themaddaedra wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
More than obvious you are not much into PVP, if you dont think a cast time (in the lag fest that is cyrodiil) on a classes main defensive skill wont really make a difference in most situations. Unless that situation is Erping in Deshaan, it's going to make a big difference.
Main defense being stacking endless shields? Are you so angry because you can't stack them so quick now? Okay.
This is what I meant by "small change" they didnt remove shields, they removed shield stacking and we all know our shield stacking was overperforming defensively and a bit ridiculous. It was due for a nerf and we (Sorcs) should have seen it coming.7 -
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✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
More than obvious you are not much into PVP, if you dont think a cast time (in the lag fest that is cyrodiil) on a classes main defensive skill wont really make a difference in most situations. Unless that situation is Erping in Deshaan, it's going to make a big difference.
Main defense being stacking endless shields? Are you so angry because you can't stack them so quick now? Okay.
This is what I meant by "small change" they didnt remove shields, they removed shield stacking and we all know our shield stacking was overperforming defensively and a bit ridiculous. It was due for a nerf and we (Sorcs) should have seen it coming.
Yeah i love how they all act like shields have been removed from the game. Stacking them was ooooobviously op and we can't do that anymore. There still are a billion ways to play sorc for those who claim loving sorcs. If what u loved was shield stacking tho you're on your own.PC|EU6 -
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✭themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
What PVE-Disneyland are you "main"ing Sorc in if 1s cast time won't make any difference?
It's in my signature ^^PC|EU3 -
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✭themaddaedra wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
What PVE-Disneyland are you "main"ing Sorc in if 1s cast time won't make any difference?
It's in my signature ^^
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✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »Now imagine what the forums will be when NBs are eventually brought in to line with other classes. This has been one of the most toxic responses on every side to one of the smallest changes. I hope ZoS is prepared because this has been an exceptionally volatile response on the part of many forum users.
I understand that many people dislike this change but is such an aggressive response really warranted? If you dont like it the most illogical thing to do is vote with your wallet or leave but instead people are sitting on forums threatening each other and looking to place blame on other players for something ZoS did. Why?
As a nightblade, I think there have already been some pretty substantial changes to my class that were announced with this upcoming patch that are going to really change how I kit out my character.
That aside, I'd prefer it if people voiced their opinions over voting with their wallets. Games tend to bottom out if it reaches a point where too many quit supporting the game followed by the downward spiral of "my friends quit, so I did too", then finally into "nobody plays this so I wont play it either".
You want a "ded gaem"? Cuz, that's how you get a "ded gaem"!Edited by srfrogg23 on September 24, 2018 6:38PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭it's not a "small nerf"
giving sorcs a delay in casting their shields is like removing someones elbows, its a built in function that even if small and may seem minute to you, it actualy destroyed abilities that they need in order to function properly.
you crippled them by an arrow to the knee.4 -
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✭When the game had low pop, ZOS wanted players feedback. Now they do the rules (and the money) without proper reply to players suggestions. A pity.
It seems they will insist on cast time, and ok, I give up. But ZOS, players are tired of suprise effect decisions as well being constantly uncertain on each new DLC. No combat stability and dlc aimed to new players. Its ok you step by step pull endgame players to oblivion.Gepe, Dunmer MagSorc Pact Grand Overlord | Gaepe, Bosmer MagSorc Dominion General
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Hateanthem✭✭✭✭When the game had low pop, ZOS wanted players feedback. Now they do the rules (and the money) without proper reply to players suggestions. A pity.
It seems they will insist on cast time, and ok, I give up. But ZOS, players are tired of suprise effect decisions as well being constantly uncertain on each new DLC. No combat stability and dlc aimed to new players. Its ok you step by step pull endgame players to oblivion.
You mean things change with new content releases? It's almost as if this is a...
dare I say it....
MMO?
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Imperial_Voice✭✭✭✭✭
✭For the idiots here saying that a cast time equals fixed shield stack is just so ignorant. a one second cast time does nothing against shieldstacking as I can still preemptively cast my 2 shields that also got a duration increase (not that it counts for anything).
The cast time however makes it so that light armor + shield users AND magsorcs are stuck in a 1sec cast BEFORE we get to defend our self, and in PvP this is a death sentence.
If they however wanted to adjust or nerf shield stacking they could easily given us a Major / Minor system on shields where strong shields was Major and lesser shields were minor. This way I could not shieldstack harden + harness.
But sure, let the stamboys dicate how the game should be balanced. All I know is that last time they changed core mechanics a lot of people quit the game.
Remember the entire year where Stamina builds were so useless that they were kicked from trails immediately?2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭themaddaedra wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »
Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.
I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.
Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.
I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!
More than obvious you are not much into PVP, if you dont think a cast time (in the lag fest that is cyrodiil) on a classes main defensive skill wont really make a difference in most situations. Unless that situation is Erping in Deshaan, it's going to make a big difference.
Main defense being stacking endless shields? Are you so angry because you can't stack them so quick now? Okay.
Their main defensive skill is hardened ward. It now has a cast time. Is that really so hard to see why people who enjoy playing sorc have a problem with that, especially with the amount of lag that is typically present in PVP? What if we gave cloak a cast time, or how about Breath of life, or shimmering shield or Wings? Sorcs are now the only class with a cast time on their main defense. They also are the only class with a skill with a stack cost. They also as a class have by far the least amount of major minor buffs. Sorcs are simply in a horrible spot if this all goes live (which it will).
Also, I am not a sorc main. I play them all, but that is how sorcs have defended since the dawn of eso. If you think shields are OP, your damage stinks, period. Shield stacking is a very mediocre line of defense when compared to the alternatives.FrancisCrawford wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »Now imagine what the forums will be when NBs are eventually brought in to line with other classes. This has been one of the most toxic responses on every side to one of the smallest changes. I hope ZoS is prepared.
Can you send me a link to the small change please?
Frags once lost 10% or so of its damage. That was a small nerf.
Overload lost half its stored ultimate. That was a fairly small nerf.
There wasn't much yelping about either of them.
There wasn't even much yelping when the (PvE solo) immortal Critical Surge build was nerfed into Oblivion.
Ummm... Just stop talking. You obviously have no idea about the history of sorc and what the skills used to have. You obviously also werent paying attention to the outcry when they nerfed frags.
History lesson: This whole mess started with them removing the STUN from frags, as a CC is arguably the most important tool in PVP. Then what followed was an Overtuned RC buff that made the forums lose their mind, which has subsequently been nerfed off their bars, and subsequently, they have decided to ruin their defense as well.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on September 24, 2018 7:46PM4 -
Ozazz✭✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »Now imagine what the forums will be when NBs are eventually brought in to line with other classes. This has been one of the most toxic responses on every side to one of the smallest changes. I hope ZoS is prepared because this has been an exceptionally volatile response on the part of many forum users.
I understand that many people dislike this change but is such an aggressive response really warranted? If you dont like it the most illogical thing to do is vote with your wallet or leave but instead people are sitting on forums threatening each other and looking to place blame on other players for something ZoS did. Why?
small? you must not have eyes?
obviously this guy has never played the sorcerer class nor nightblade class.
Envious too.
Just another oneEdited by Ozazz on September 24, 2018 7:51PM2
