So Weve Seen what Happens when Sorcs get a Small Nerf

Imperial_Voice · September 2018

Now imagine what the forums will be when NBs are eventually brought in to line with other classes. This has been one of the most toxic responses on every side to one of the smallest changes. I hope ZoS is prepared because this has been an exceptionally volatile response on the part of many forum users.

I understand that many people dislike this change but is such an aggressive response really warranted? If you dont like it the most illogical thing to do is vote with your wallet or leave but instead people are sitting on forums threatening each other and looking to place blame on other players for something ZoS did. Why?

Valrien · September 2018

"small"

Can I have some of what you're smoking bro?

Turelus · September 2018

As a Nightblade main I can say we'll just be back to where we were at launch when no one played us, we've been there, we'll survive.

No matter which class gets touched the vocal and dramatic of that class will scream and kick, it's the same everywhere you go in MMO games (sadly).

Tryxus · September 2018

Tbh... I would love

to see that happen lol

Imperial_Voice · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

"small"

Can I have some of what you're smoking bro?

Skooma is illegal in most provinces.

LadyNalcarya · September 2018

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

"small"

Can I have some of what you're smoking bro?

Skooma is illegal in most provinces.

I think its more like sleeping tree sap. It blurs your vision.

Hateanthem · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

"small"

Can I have some of what you're smoking bro?

Way to make the OP's point.

pteam · September 2018

What are you talking about?

Nightblades just got a whole slew of nerfs.

Assassin’s blade and morphs (executes) cost increase by 30%.
Spectral bow cost increase.
Mark target nerf.
Path of darkness and refreshing path now deal NO DAMAGE! Meaning these morphs will no longer be used at all.
Funnel health nerf, now does 50% less damage! Meaning this won’t be used anymore either.

Nightblades will now not provide any healing for the group in trials because funnel health and refreshing path will no longer be used. So that is 5 Nightblade nerfs in one patch and you are saying what will happen when sorcs get “a small nerf”? LMAO!

Galaen_Frost · September 2018

Been a Nightblade since Beta/Launch. I'm on my 8th or 9th build overhaul. I remember when I was a hybrid, I remember when I only ran across other NBs once or twice a week, I remember when stamina builds were aweful, etc, etc. You get used to all the changes. I've known since Morrowind that we were going to get hit again.

Mintaka5 · September 2018

SMALL?!?!?!!

Last 2 pathces nerfed sorcs, bruh!

Next patch is not just one nerf but several built into one.

You need to get a better perspective on stuff!

Valrien · September 2018

Hateanthem wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

"small"

Can I have some of what you're smoking bro?

Way to make the OP's point.

You really think that is a toxic post? Geez

Lake · September 2018

Sorcs (Mag) are the most popular according to ZOS.

It's not a surprise that their response has been much louder and annoying than the other classes when they were nerfed.

Valrien · September 2018

pteam wrote: »

What are you talking about?

Nightblades just got a whole slew of nerfs.

Assassin’s blade and morphs (executes) cost increase by 30%.
Spectral bow cost increase.
Mark target nerf.
Path of darkness and refreshing path now deal NO DAMAGE! Meaning these morphs will no longer be used at all.
Funnel health nerf, now does 50% less damage! Meaning this won’t be used anymore either.

Nightblades will now not provide any healing for the group in trials because funnel health and refreshing path will no longer be used. So that is 5 Nightblade nerfs in one patch and you are saying what will happen when sorcs get “a small nerf”? LMAO!

Path of Darkness isn't a morph, NB still has the best sustain, spectral bow now gains 2 charges with a heavy attack, most nightblades already use the selfish morph of Strife, and when morphed for damage it does the same amount of damage it always has.

And let's face it. 30 seconds on any debuff is overkill, even if it was never used in the first place

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2018

The saddest part of all this is that like every other thread, it becomes an us vs them. Take it from someone that actually plays all the classes. NBs are in a fine spot. They should be used as benchmark to buff other specs up to that level. Sorcs on the other hand, are in real F'ing trouble from a PVP perspective next patch. I will simply play another class, but I certainly dont want to see the other 4 nerfed out of spite.

Valrien · September 2018

Mintaka5 wrote: »

SMALL?!?!?!!

Last 2 pathces nerfed sorcs, bruh!

Next patch is not just one nerf but several built into one.

You need to get a better perspective on stuff!

Careful, last time I told someone they needed the p-word I got you-know-whatted

qbit · September 2018

I will just start blaming healer instead of myself when I die in dungeon. They said they don’t feel useful so I expect all the heals I need to cover my long shield cast times.

Beardimus · September 2018

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

Now imagine what the forums will be when NBs are eventually brought in to line with other classes. This has been one of the most toxic responses on every side to one of the smallest changes. I hope ZoS is prepared.

Can you send me a link to the small change please?

Galaen_Frost · September 2018

Killer's Blade (the stamina morph of Assasin's Blade) is significantly cheaper on live than all my other skills. I'd have to actually call that one a balancing.

It costs me 1686 stamina vs everything else costing 2200 or more. So let's math that. 1686 * 1.3 = 2192. Yeah, balancing.

LadyNalcarya · September 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

The saddest part of all this is that like every other thread, it becomes an us vs them. Take it from someone that actually plays all the classes. NBs are in a fine spot. They should be used as benchmark to buff other specs up to that level. Sorcs on the other hand, are in real F'ing trouble from a PVP perspective next patch. I will simply play another class, but I certainly dont want to see the other 4 nerfed out of spite.

I agree.
Too many people share this primitive tribalistic mentality. They see sorc execute on their death recap and happily support the nerfs. But supporting this kind of nerfs will just mean that this nerf whack-a-mole will continue and their class might be the next target. It's especially funny to see cryblades celebrating it as it's some kind of victory, not realizing that they will certainly become the next target if it continues like this.

KingMagaw · September 2018

Small lol

Clearly delusional about ESO mechanics and the dirt direction ZOS is taking.

max_only · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

"small"

Can I have some of what you're smoking bro?

I hate to agree but I have to.

It’s not just Sorcerers who are hurt by shield changes.

My healer uses the shield as a reaction when in pugs. If you look at PTS forum you see they already made shields immune to interrupts to satiate pvpers.

Also other classes got nerfed this patch too.

Evasion change? Killed creative tanking. Now it’s meat bag or go home.

Warden bear? 30% less damage. Because a double bar ultimate that can only find the enemy half the time doesn’t need any oomph apparently.

Anyway it’s not all about sorcs.

Osteos · September 2018

I'm bummed about marked target. Yeah 30 seconds was really long but 5 seconds is just too short. Why not 15 seconds?

themaddaedra · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

SMALL?!?!?!!

Last 2 pathces nerfed sorcs, bruh!

Next patch is not just one nerf but several built into one.

You need to get a better perspective on stuff!

Careful, last time I told someone they needed the p-word I got you-know-whatted

Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.

I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.

Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.

I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!

Hurtfan · September 2018

Hate to see a large nerf

Imperial_Voice · September 2018

Vahrokh wrote: »

Always the same 4-5 guys perma-spamming flame bait threads. I recongize all their names by memory now.

They should get reported and banned.

Ill give you 100k in game to find one thread I made flamebaiting anyone ever. Excluding this thread which isnt doing it either but I can tell you dont care.

Imperial_Voice · September 2018

themaddaedra wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

SMALL?!?!?!!

Last 2 pathces nerfed sorcs, bruh!

Next patch is not just one nerf but several built into one.

You need to get a better perspective on stuff!

Careful, last time I told someone they needed the p-word I got you-know-whatted

Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.

I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.

Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.

I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!

Lol the only point i made was that community is super toxic over a nerf and then everyone goes and makes my point.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2018

themaddaedra wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

SMALL?!?!?!!

Last 2 pathces nerfed sorcs, bruh!

Next patch is not just one nerf but several built into one.

You need to get a better perspective on stuff!

Careful, last time I told someone they needed the p-word I got you-know-whatted

Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.

I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.

Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.

I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!

More than obvious you are not much into PVP, if you dont think a cast time (in the lag fest that is cyrodiil) on a classes main defensive skill wont really make a difference in most situations. Unless that situation is Erping in Deshaan, it's going to make a big difference.

themaddaedra · September 2018

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

SMALL?!?!?!!

Last 2 pathces nerfed sorcs, bruh!

Next patch is not just one nerf but several built into one.

You need to get a better perspective on stuff!

Careful, last time I told someone they needed the p-word I got you-know-whatted

Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.

I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.

Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.

I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!

Lol the only point i made was that community is super toxic over a nerf and then everyone goes and makes my point.

What i don't relate is you saying Now imagine what the forums will be when NBs are eventually brought in to line with other classes . NBs got a hugeload of nerf, which is not going to kill them in any way, but make them way more in line with others. I partially agree with the toxic part, but that's what have always been when people lose their powers. It was OP and it got reworked, but for ones who got nerfed it's just them being nerfed. It was more than obvious that this nerf wouldn't make sorcs happy in any way. It sure doesn't mean it was unjust tho.

Imperial_Voice · September 2018

themaddaedra wrote: »

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

SMALL?!?!?!!

Last 2 pathces nerfed sorcs, bruh!

Next patch is not just one nerf but several built into one.

You need to get a better perspective on stuff!

Careful, last time I told someone they needed the p-word I got you-know-whatted

Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.

I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.

Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.

I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!

Lol the only point i made was that community is super toxic over a nerf and then everyone goes and makes my point.

What i don't relate is you saying Now imagine what the forums will be when NBs are eventually brought in to line with other classes . NBs got a hugeload of nerf, which is not going to kill them in any way, but make them way more in line with others. I partially agree with the toxic part, but that's what have always been when people lose their powers. It was OP and it got reworked, but for ones who got nerfed it's just them being nerfed. It was more than obvious that this nerf wouldn't make sorcs happy in any way. It sure doesn't mean it was unjust tho.

We will have to agree to disagree here then because in my opinion Nightblades were barely touched and their DPS certainly wont be affected much at all.

Merlin13KAGL · September 2018

pteam wrote: »

What are you talking about?

Nightblades just got a whole slew of nerfs.

Assassin’s blade and morphs (executes) cost increase by 30%.
Spectral bow cost increase.
Mark target nerf.
Path of darkness and refreshing path now deal NO DAMAGE! Meaning these morphs will no longer be used at all.
Funnel health nerf, now does 50% less damage! Meaning this won’t be used anymore either.

Nightblades will now not provide any healing for the group in trials because funnel health and refreshing path will no longer be used. So that is 5 Nightblade nerfs in one patch and you are saying what will happen when sorcs get “a small nerf”? LMAO!

Immediately countered by corresponding buffs.

HA now counts as double stack for Bow procs. HA gives 2x resources back from Siphoning/Leeching. Those alone counter the 'cost increase' NB got hit with.

You also forgot to mention that NB was nowhere close to having similar sustain issues compared to other classes.

Other classes don't have a slew of skills that both damaged and healed at the same time. There should be a tradeoff.

Factor in the DPS disparity compared to other classes and it starts to seem a bit more reasonable.

Kindly Cloak back into whatever corner you came from.

Imperial_Voice · September 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

SMALL?!?!?!!

Last 2 pathces nerfed sorcs, bruh!

Next patch is not just one nerf but several built into one.

You need to get a better perspective on stuff!

Careful, last time I told someone they needed the p-word I got you-know-whatted

Are you laughing at all these NB nerfs? Saying they don't really mean anything? More than obvious you are not much into PvE.

I main NB in PvP and sorc in PvE, hands down that's the most balancing patch ever.

Shields use resistance now which means if you choose to play defensive (assuming you are smart enough to go impens, and have transmutation on if you are in a group) crit damage won't hit hard on them. And they will have physical and spell resistances as well! They got increased duration, they became uninterruptable today... 1s cast time won't really make any difference in most of situations.

I don't really agree with OP as his points are unrelatable, but one thing i agree is that sorcs never stop crying. We got balanced, believe or not!

More than obvious you are not much into PVP, if you dont think a cast time (in the lag fest that is cyrodiil) on a classes main defensive skill wont really make a difference in most situations. Unless that situation is Erping in Deshaan, it's going to make a big difference.

PvP sorc main. Never said it wouldnt make a difference, said it was a small change. People will adapt, or more likely, Sorc PvP will suck for about 2 months and we will get patched back up.