Did ZOS Just Kill Solo Play With This One Set?

IxSTALKERxI · September 2018

Forget about solo play, or Xv1.... This set will be OP in a small scale fight with even numbers. In it's current state it will probably have to be banned from the 6v6 GvG's.

In PvP, focusing targets is important, which means even in a fight with even numbers this set is OP because you can stack this set on the opponents 1 by 1. Currently, the players can survive being focused if played well or if the opponents do a poor job on applying pressure or if forced on defense etc.

Take a look at a video of a 6v6 GvG and tell me a team running this set won't be at an advantage... lol.

lucky_dutch · September 2018

Loooool how did this set even get past the concept stage?

It doesn't just instantly kill 1vX it's also hideously broken in BGs where people don't have CP to counter-balance it.

Stamblade + Sloads + Anguish = you can't heal, no point shielding, free kill

If this goes to live it will BiS for stam charas in all forms of PvP.

Nerftheforums · September 2018

Solo play has been killed long ago (except for nbs and magsorcs, but that changed this patch, rip sorcs) .

Sloads, zaan, rune cage, and now this are only tbags on a dead way to play the game. If you have no friends or are not a stamnb, forget to play solo!

Merlin13KAGL · September 2018

Get a small group with Sload's, Durok's, Anguish, maybe throw in some Knight Slayer for good measure, a handful of poisons and this will be an absolute train wreck.

Guessing this is someone's attempted answer to the recent Crest of Cyrodiil change.

Per usual, they never considered the side effects beyond their limited intended window.

Aedaryl · September 2018

This is a shame.

ZoS, let me ask you something : if you nerfed sload because it was OP, why you do you add an even more OP set ?

WHY ?

HWO TOOK THAT DECISION ?

HWO MADE THIS PATCH ?

Joy_Division · September 2018

Xsorus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

They basically added a 5500 point dot, that doesn't do actual damage...

*grin*.

Jaxaxo wrote: »

5500 dot which ignores resistances and dmg reduction. It's kinda funny, after "nerfing" defiles they added even more powerfull, easily procced, mechanic which stacks with defile. And the only class which can really compete with this set is nb (due to cloak), which is highly overperforming atm. So ye, great design. Almost as good as shieldbreaker. But we can always slot shields to coutner it... Oh, wait...

Btw, metabuild next patch: heavy stamblade with troll king, master duals, sload and this set. This gonna be gud

So it does less damage then sheer venom is what you’re saying?

It’s not a DoT at all, it’s burst damage effectively because all the healing prevention happens upfront.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

What if they made it 2000, or even 1000 VS. 5500 and NOT be stackable? Would this work? Cause you know some dev somewhere is thinking that's the solution =/ I like the other stats, but ofc the 5th needs a change.

I think if it was 2000-2500 or so and didn't stack, nobody would really have a problem with it (especially if the proc chance was brought down a little, increasing the breathing room you'd get between procs to heal up).

Then it's locking you out of 2-3 vigor ticks. Or dulling (but not erasing) your next burst heal. No biggie, but still strong if there's burst in that window.

No one would use the set, why would you use a set that does less damage then viper? And didn’t stack.

I mean you realize this set technically only does slightly more damage then vma two hander right? If you consider it even damage.

Viper is a dot, this isn't.

So Its useless vs Hots is what you're saying and stronger vs Burst Heals

No it'll negate like 3s worth of hots is what i'm saying and it has a 4s cooldown.

3s of non heals after i burst you is more than enough time to kill you.

Oh and it stacks.

And again every 4s...

Only its not every 4 seconds; Its got a 4 second cooldown yes but its a 25% chance that it'll go off.

and 3 seconds of non heals? You realize the amount of healing I put out in 3 seconds?

On a what? A healer sure.

On a non healer? Or a stamina character?

The proc chance is a joke i can light attack + rending someone and thats 3 hits so 75%...

It's basically going to proc on cooldown.

I'm confused why you are defending the set?

That's not 75%

Its actually something around 57% or 66% chance I believe to go off.

Why am I defending this set? Because I remember everyone on here going off about how Sloads was going to kill the solo game and ruin the game.

you know how many times i've died to sloads before the nerf? 0

Its like people right now saying "Oh you're going to have 3 or 4 people running this set getting on ya and killing ya because you can't heal" while completely ignoring that if those 3 or 4 people swapped on some more damage they'll probably instant gib ya unless they're complete potato's

Last thing this game needs is more garbage sets, This set is going to be a Garbage set after everyone's done crying about it.

You're not the real Xsorus because you didn;t make a reference to DAOC.

Call ZOS customer service, your account was hacked by someone who has never died to Sloads.

Mojomonkeyman · September 2018

edit: deleted since no longer relevant

LeifErickson · September 2018

ZOS_Liforce wrote: »

The Murkmire update has a total of 18 new item sets, making it one of the most set dense updates to date. Here is the Combat Team’s insight on some of the most debated sets on the forums:

Soldier of Anguish
This set was designed to put pressure on single targets. Soldier of Anguish applies Heal Absorption, which acts like a reverse Damage Shield. Like Damage Shields, Heal Absorption was not intended to be stackable from the same source and we are already in the process of resolving this bug. Unlike Damage Shields, Heal Absorption is not currently affected by battle spirit and after reviewing some of the comments and testing the set in a greater variety of PvP scenarios, we’ve come to agreement that Soldier of Anguish is over-performing, and its values will be re-evaluated.

Here is a response. I'm glad they recognized that not only would it be too powerful if it stacked, but even in a 1v1 situation it would be the obvious choice for all stam builds. Hopefully the updated version of this set will be balanced, but we will see.

Jaxaxo · September 2018

LeifErickson wrote: »

ZOS_Liforce wrote: »

The Murkmire update has a total of 18 new item sets, making it one of the most set dense updates to date. Here is the Combat Team’s insight on some of the most debated sets on the forums:

Soldier of Anguish
This set was designed to put pressure on single targets. Soldier of Anguish applies Heal Absorption, which acts like a reverse Damage Shield. Like Damage Shields, Heal Absorption was not intended to be stackable from the same source and we are already in the process of resolving this bug. Unlike Damage Shields, Heal Absorption is not currently affected by battle spirit and after reviewing some of the comments and testing the set in a greater variety of PvP scenarios, we’ve come to agreement that Soldier of Anguish is over-performing, and its values will be re-evaluated.

Here is a response. I'm glad they recognized that not only would it be too powerful if it stacked, but even in a 1v1 situation it would be the obvious choice for all stam builds. Hopefully the updated version of this set will be balanced, but we will see.

Seems much better, the idea of stacking it with psijic skill is ok too, can work vs those heals they wanted it to work against, but can be countered by bash/moving out, seems ok. I just hope, that with adding battle spirit they wont increase value of this. 2,5k-3k is meh, but ok, dont wanna see it 4k or sth like that after cutting by battle spirit.

PickleRick · September 2018

@LeifErickson solo play is fine. Sit in stealth with a bow and snipe people then cloak away.

Working as intended sadly

templesus · September 2018

I am of the opinion that people who defend sets like this should have their forum privileges revoked. It’s ZOS seeing those types of comments that causes us to have to go through an entire patch of aids (ie sloads) before it gets the nerfs it should have gotten on PTS.

PTS forums specifically should be limited to true endgame players. Governments let the masses vote sure, however they don’t give them a true voice on subject matter. Their is a select committee (Congress, Parliament, Bundestag etc) that makes the decisions and gives the input/feedback.

IZZEFlameLash · September 2018

PickleRick wrote: »

@LeifErickson solo play is fine. Sit in stealth with a bow and snipe people then cloak away.

Working as intended sadly

Then call for nerfs when things don't go well? Sounds like a plan! Working as intended. Bowtard forever

Xsorus · September 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

They basically added a 5500 point dot, that doesn't do actual damage...

*grin*.

Jaxaxo wrote: »

5500 dot which ignores resistances and dmg reduction. It's kinda funny, after "nerfing" defiles they added even more powerfull, easily procced, mechanic which stacks with defile. And the only class which can really compete with this set is nb (due to cloak), which is highly overperforming atm. So ye, great design. Almost as good as shieldbreaker. But we can always slot shields to coutner it... Oh, wait...

Btw, metabuild next patch: heavy stamblade with troll king, master duals, sload and this set. This gonna be gud

So it does less damage then sheer venom is what you’re saying?

It’s not a DoT at all, it’s burst damage effectively because all the healing prevention happens upfront.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

What if they made it 2000, or even 1000 VS. 5500 and NOT be stackable? Would this work? Cause you know some dev somewhere is thinking that's the solution =/ I like the other stats, but ofc the 5th needs a change.

I think if it was 2000-2500 or so and didn't stack, nobody would really have a problem with it (especially if the proc chance was brought down a little, increasing the breathing room you'd get between procs to heal up).

Then it's locking you out of 2-3 vigor ticks. Or dulling (but not erasing) your next burst heal. No biggie, but still strong if there's burst in that window.

No one would use the set, why would you use a set that does less damage then viper? And didn’t stack.

I mean you realize this set technically only does slightly more damage then vma two hander right? If you consider it even damage.

Viper is a dot, this isn't.

So Its useless vs Hots is what you're saying and stronger vs Burst Heals

No it'll negate like 3s worth of hots is what i'm saying and it has a 4s cooldown.

3s of non heals after i burst you is more than enough time to kill you.

Oh and it stacks.

And again every 4s...

Only its not every 4 seconds; Its got a 4 second cooldown yes but its a 25% chance that it'll go off.

and 3 seconds of non heals? You realize the amount of healing I put out in 3 seconds?

On a what? A healer sure.

On a non healer? Or a stamina character?

The proc chance is a joke i can light attack + rending someone and thats 3 hits so 75%...

It's basically going to proc on cooldown.

I'm confused why you are defending the set?

That's not 75%

Its actually something around 57% or 66% chance I believe to go off.

Why am I defending this set? Because I remember everyone on here going off about how Sloads was going to kill the solo game and ruin the game.

you know how many times i've died to sloads before the nerf? 0

Its like people right now saying "Oh you're going to have 3 or 4 people running this set getting on ya and killing ya because you can't heal" while completely ignoring that if those 3 or 4 people swapped on some more damage they'll probably instant gib ya unless they're complete potato's

Last thing this game needs is more garbage sets, This set is going to be a Garbage set after everyone's done crying about it.

You're not the real Xsorus because you didn;t make a reference to DAOC.

Call ZOS customer service, your account was hacked by someone who has never died to Sloads.

i did make a reference to DAOC

You just weren't paying attention.

PickleRick · September 2018

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

PickleRick wrote: »

@LeifErickson solo play is fine. Sit in stealth with a bow and snipe people then cloak away.

Working as intended sadly

Then call for nerfs when things don't go well? Sounds like a plan! Working as intended. Bowtard forever

And hey, now you get a 28(+) meter buggy, difficult to break CC to go along with your glitched ranged spammable that causes health desyncs!

And a Stam Sorc can weave overloads(albeit not physical damage ones)with Snipe and Magnum, yikes.

HankTwo · September 2018

PTS Patch Notes v4.2.1:

Soldier of Anguish: Reduced the healing absorption value to 4800 from 5500, and the healing absorption debuff from this set can no longer stack with itself.

Developer Comment:
Damage shields from multiple sources cannot be stacked. We want healing absorption to follow this same ruleset.

While I'm grateful that they changed the set, it still looks a bit too strong to me. Imo, they should either further reduce the value for the healing absorption (maybe to 4000?) or give the set a longer cooldown/lower proc chance.

Jaxaxo · September 2018

HankTwo wrote: »

PTS Patch Notes v4.2.1:

Soldier of Anguish: Reduced the healing absorption value to 4800 from 5500, and the healing absorption debuff from this set can no longer stack with itself.

Developer Comment:
Damage shields from multiple sources cannot be stacked. We want healing absorption to follow this same ruleset.

While I'm grateful that they changed the set, it still looks a bit too strong to me. Imo, they should either further reduce the value for the healing absorption (maybe to 4000?) or give the set a longer cooldown/lower proc chance.

I think same, 4k, even less imo, would love to see 3-3,5k. I hoped they will put this under battle spirit but looks like they dont wont yet.

steussy · September 2018

You need to right the ship Zenimax!

NyassaV · September 2018

The adjustment is laughable. Needs a longer cooldown. Like Caluurion's cooldown

RighteousBacon · September 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

for a long time, (years even) we see people insta healing from 3% health and almost dead to INSTANT health 100% full.
something needed to be done, it looks like a very good step in the right direction.

Yah and we’ve seen people at 400 health cast a healing ward and one other shield and be unstoppable.

Healing from 3% to 100% in a second requires a lot of buffs and a late rally. Probably a dodge roll two.

The bottom line is that this set won’t hurt large scale groups like it will hurt solo players, and that’s a bad thing. It doesn’t require skill any sort of set up either, just some simple clicking/button spamming

Dashmatt · September 2018

HankTwo wrote: »

PTS Patch Notes v4.2.1:

Soldier of Anguish: Reduced the healing absorption value to 4800 from 5500, and the healing absorption debuff from this set can no longer stack with itself.

Developer Comment:
Damage shields from multiple sources cannot be stacked. We want healing absorption to follow this same ruleset.

While I'm grateful that they changed the set, it still looks a bit too strong to me. Imo, they should either further reduce the value for the healing absorption (maybe to 4000?) or give the set a longer cooldown/lower proc chance.

This is still ridiculously strong. It needs to be affected by battle spirit, or have the uptime significantly reduced. Combined with Major Defile, this set is a death sentence to any solo player. Nightblade gank builds will be stronger than ever, and stamina ball groups will dominate BGs even more. In my experience, casual players don’t enjoy being ganked and farmed.

Doctordarkspawn · September 2018

Of course, PVP concerns get adressed in rapid order.

Then again it was a blindingly easy fix.

LeifErickson · September 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Of course, PVP concerns get adressed in rapid order.

Then again it was a blindingly easy fix.

Carebears are not welcome in this thread. Please leave.

Kartalin · September 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Of course, PVP concerns get adressed in rapid order.

Lol, you must be new here