You make an excellent case for Chapter-sized attention for the Colovian Estates. Your post suggests there are ample opportunities for adventuring there, perhaps with some quests involving new Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content. I admit I'm interested.

By the way, your English is very good; more importantly, you did a fine job raising the sorts of questions that might get the developers thinking about this zone.

Fits my theory that Talos is a major motivation behind a lot of ESO stuff.

Lots of 2nd degree type of connections...

Bruccius wrote: »

I like the idea, but there's really only a very small bit of Colovia remaining that's not already in the full game.

The Colovian Estates, at least, during Tiber Septim's time consisted of:
Falkreath, Anvil, Kvatch, Chorrol, and Skingrad. Though you also included Sutch.

Four of these are already covered, Chorrol in the base game, Falkreath in Falkreath Hold, Anvil and Kvatch in the Dark Brotherhood. Leaving us with just Skingrad. Sutch is possible, but I believe that Sutch was located in the Gold Coast area, in which case the location wouldn't match up.

For a chapter to be entirely centered around County Skingrad, seems a little bit like overkill to me. And that pains me, for I love Skingrad. In fact, it was partially due to Skingrad that the Alessian Empire fell, and the architecture and armor of the city is just amazing in my opinion.

But the problem is that for a chapter it'd be very small. It could possibly be added through a DLC? Perhaps connected with County Leyawiin and Bravil in some kind of strange manner? Unsure.

Bear in mind ESO zones don't always line up with political boundaries in Tamriel. For example Bangkorai covers parts of both Hammerfell and Highrock, and I think the boundary of Valenwood and Elsweyr is slightly east of the edge of the Rawl'kha map.

So if they wanted to do a story/map in that region it could include all of the area between the current Gold Coast map, the Alliance War map and Craglorn, and the fact that it covers several different political areas could actually contribute to some interesting storylines.

Originally every major city in Tamriel was supposed to have an arena and a gladiatorial team to represent them. That's why the first game was called Arena. But Bethesda got a bit carried away with their side quests and that became the main story of the game instead.

It would actually be quite cool to bring that idea back. I always thought it was a shame it got dropped and arena tournaments barely come up in any of the games. I guess Battlegrounds is sort-of similar, but it would be nice to have a PvE version too.

What is the Colovian estates? sounds like a crown store house...

therift wrote: »

You make an excellent case for Chapter-sized attention for the Colovian Estates. Your post suggests there are ample opportunities for adventuring there, perhaps with some quests involving new Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content. I admit I'm interested.

By the way, your English is very good; more importantly, you did a fine job raising the sorts of questions that might get the developers thinking about this zone.

Thank you

Bruccius wrote: »

Sutch is possible, but I believe that Sutch was located in the Gold Coast area, in which case the location wouldn't match up.

For a chapter to be entirely centered around County Skingrad, seems a little bit like overkill to me. And that pains me, for I love Skingrad. In fact, it was partially due to Skingrad that the Alessian Empire fell, and the architecture and armor of the city is just amazing in my opinion.

Sutch is indeed in the Gold Coast. But the geolocalisation of Sutch is not included in the DLC. The city of Sutch is mentionned in a lore book (Jorunn the Skald-King).
We can also see the ruins of the Fort Sutch from the Varen's Wall.

For the Colovian Estates main plot, we could find Carolus Aquilarios to reconnect the Gold Coast to Colovia. A kind of reunification of Colovia.
Perhaps also the opportunity to see different profiles of leaders : Carolus loyal to the Empire and protector / Calantius loyal to Empire but he makes misfortune of others the happiness of the colovian people (or personal interest).
Conflicts of point of view that could hinder reunification somehow.

runagate wrote: »

The gates to Colovia are already labeled as such, just like they'd be if you could already visit them.

Also, if you get up high enough, you can look into Colovia and see much of the area has already been designed, houses and buildings, roads and the like.


I've spent an embarrassing amount of time trying to jump over that wall. If the "invisible walls" weren't so assiduously placed by the worldbuilders I'd have made it over in some unlikely places.

Sadly, there are only a few buildings around the wall. Further on there is nothing. The map stops before Skingrad. And the Sutch area is empty.
The West Weald is barely represented in the instance of Malabal Tor... with an breton architecture of Skingrad.

Indeed, this region is full of vampires. There is a lot of interesting things in this area : vampire, geopolitics of Colovia, and werewolves too (Moon Hunter Keep in Wolfhunter DLC is in the West Weald).

Count Janus Hassildor in Oblivion is not yet born at the time of ESO... And Calantius does not seem to be a vampire.

I see more north of Elsweyr with Colovia... The two regions that were in conflict.

Anyone who has played Oblivion (and even those who did not play) know how Cyrodiil is.
In ESO, "Cyrodiil" includes the regions of Colovian Highlands (Fort Rayles), Great Forest (Chorrol), West Weald (Vlastarus), Hearthlands (IC), Jerall Mountains (Bruma), Nibenay Basin (Cheydinhal), Nibenay Valley (Bravil), and Valus Mountains (Scinia).

"Colovian Estates" zone includes Colovian Highlands and West Weald (with Skingrad)... and maybe an other little part of Gold Coast (city of Sutch).

It is said that the Count of Skingrad still has a very military people. So I think about the imperial Legion... There is also the Silver Dawn but their headquarters has just been recovered in Wolfhunter...
I find that Legion fans like me are not comfortable with ESO (the Legion is completely... demonized).
Colovia is a good starting point to restore the imperial Légion with an ambitious count.

It is true that Colovia could be an adventure zone... (I will be half disappointed).
I see more the eastern Nibenay being an good adventure zone. Although empty (1 city with Leyawiin), there are potentially many dungeons for 12 players.

No Colovian Estates for 2020... Maybe, 2021 for 15 years of TES IV Oblivion ? (I'm just afraid for the translation for the French version)

Since my first publication, things have changed. Lawrence Schick is left. My first reaction was (about Colovia) : Is his lore lost ? And over time I wonder if the Colovian Estates will not sink into the fanservice rather than innovations that are well anchored in the lore.

I will come back to my first message. I was talking about two cities : Sutch and Skingrad. I don't know if Sarchal, the sister city of Skingrad, it exists. Logically yes and I always suspected the Reaver Citadel to be Sarchal.
After there is also Delodiil but everything suggests that is the Hollow City.
As for Falkreath, it was not a colovian city at the time of ESO.

I am talking about fanservice above. My fears are that we find Janus Hassildor in one way or another.
Janus Hassildor was only 50 years of vampirism at the time of TES IV. He was therefore born in the third era.
And yet, I have the feeling that we will either find him as a count (it's funny ... So it was the nice little vampire who invaded his neighbors?) or we will help him become count to make Skingrad a peaceful land (wtf? Skingrad is the pro-military territory and probably the land that will provide the bulk of the victory to come).

You will understand ... I am not satisfied with Gold Coast. Why ? Because it only highlights the extreme religious fanaticism of kvetchi for Akatosh and abecean pirates. Apart from the decor, nothing that reminds of the Imperial Institutions.

I think Skingrad occupies an important place in the Empire today. Where is the Elder Council? Probably there. Which is the pleasure of Count Calantius who has the perfect profile of the colovian leader.
Whether it's him or another count, I sense a possible split or something like that ... Especially with the disappearance of Abnur Tharn. So no muzzle and maybe raging opportunists. Counts who call themselves "heirs to Rislav Larich".
(About counts names... if Calantius is possibly the Skingrad count, the count of Sutch can be Charonius - whoever wrote : Thibaut's Cairn and its History).

As for the state of the region, Schick told us that the Colovia was more or less intact. If Sarchal is the Reaver Citadel, I don't know if the city is destroyed or still there. In Coldharbour, the Reaver Citadel it does not constitute the entire city. There are pieces missing.

I would have seen centurion Gavo as a recurring character and friend of the chapter. But I believe less these days.
I hope we will have it along the Stride River and not a mountain border. The arena of the Istirus outpost (which has been renamed as "arena of") is not far from the border with the Gold Coast. It is even possibly very close. On the composite map of Istirus, we see a road to the north, possibly the gold road.

Maybe... Sarchal is it a barony of county Skingrad ?

EDIT : Nop, Sarchal is a county in the southern Highlands but sister-city of Skingrad.

I started this topic and there are things to say or change about it.