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NEW CLASS DISCUSSION

  • Sylvermynx
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    Valrien wrote: »
    MrGraves wrote: »
    IMO classes shouldn't have even been a thing. I think more skill lines (even more skill lines just for the classes we already have perhaps?) would work. Or add a class change like how you get your attributes/skills reset. And hopefully not... Crown exclusive.

    Please just stop saying "classes shouldn't exist". Everyone. Please stop saying this. It simply does not work. Everyone will pick the same stuff to do the most DPS, absorb the most damage, heal the best, etc etc.

    It won't be special. It won't be unique. It won't be fun. No one

    Uh. And you're saying that isn't what happens now?
  • Valrien
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    YES!
    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    Valrien wrote: »
    MrGraves wrote: »
    IMO classes shouldn't have even been a thing. I think more skill lines (even more skill lines just for the classes we already have perhaps?) would work. Or add a class change like how you get your attributes/skills reset. And hopefully not... Crown exclusive.

    Please just stop saying "classes shouldn't exist". Everyone. Please stop saying this. It simply does not work. Everyone will pick the same stuff to do the most DPS, absorb the most damage, heal the best, etc etc.

    It won't be special. It won't be unique. It won't be fun. No one

    Uh. And you're saying that isn't what happens now?
    Yes and no. With classes, while Nightblades reign supreme each class does still have its strengths and weaknesses (except Sorc who is p. much all weaknesses, but that's besides the point). This balances it out.

    If you pick DK for example, you'll be the best tank and an okay DPS and a terrible healer. That's the way your class is.

    With being able to cherry pick your skill lines, every character can do everything at any given time...and then you're just stuck with 3 homogenized specs (tank healer dps) as opposed to 20 (tank, healer, stam, mag for each class) at least somewhat unique ones.
    Edited by Valrien on September 24, 2018 2:36AM
    Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
    Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
    Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake
  • Sleep
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    NO!
    delete warden
  • lagrue
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    pauli133 wrote: »
    What on earth does any of this have to do with any of the rest? Adding a class, accountwide achievements, and accountwide skyshards(!) are completely unrelated issues.

    Not really. Those things are all reasons why some people refuse to make alts or even try the classes we have to begin with.
    "You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"
  • generalmyrick
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    YES!
    Maybe the death of the sorc is paving the way for a new sorc like class
    Fiktius wrote: »
    New class? Let me guess:

    Sorcerer 2.0?

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    Knowledge, freedom, uncertainty and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
    Security, happiness, beauty, and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)"

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  • lagrue
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    Valrien wrote: »
    therift wrote: »
    Skyshards should not ever become account-wide. A level 1 character should not start the game with 113 skill points; that would be ridiculous.

    As for a new class, why?

    You know, many people say this and no one elaborates.

    What exactly is the problem with having 113 skill points that you can't ever spend until you level up enough to use them?

    Shhh, you've exposed his bs. He probably didn't even consider that fact and just wanted to say no to be a grouch... like 99% of responses on the forums tend to be.
    "You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"
  • generalmyrick
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    YES!
    Heheheheeh, #facts
    Edited by generalmyrick on September 24, 2018 2:44AM
    "The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:

    Knowledge, freedom, uncertainty and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
    Security, happiness, beauty, and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)"

    Insight to Agree to Awesome Ratio = 1:6.04:2.76 as of 1/25/2019

    Compared to people that I've ignored = I am 18% more insightful, 20% less agreeable, and 88% more awesome.
  • Lyserus
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    NO!
    There should be either no more new classes, or an overhaul of classes that allows more than 5 classes actually mean something

    A new class in current character system is just "cosmetic" change now
  • rumple9
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    YES!
    Horse training should be account wide as it currently takes 6 months to level up a horse per character.

    As for a new class it would have to be healer/tank. Theres enough DPS in the game
  • SydneyGrey
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    YES!
    I want a new class (and a new race too), but the achievements and skyshards don't have to be account-wide. In fact, I don't want them to be account-wide. I like the act of building up a new character, and don't need him to be maxed out in everything immediately.
  • Valrien
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    YES!
    SydneyGrey wrote: »
    I want a new class (and a new race too), but the achievements and skyshards don't have to be account-wide. In fact, I don't want them to be account-wide. I like the act of building up a new character, and don't need him to be maxed out in everything immediately.

    You wouldn't be. Skyshards and Achievements are just tedium that is taken out. The progression would still lie in leveling your character.
    Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
    Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
    Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake
  • SydneyGrey
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    YES!
    Valrien wrote: »
    SydneyGrey wrote: »
    I want a new class (and a new race too), but the achievements and skyshards don't have to be account-wide. In fact, I don't want them to be account-wide. I like the act of building up a new character, and don't need him to be maxed out in everything immediately.

    You wouldn't be. Skyshards and Achievements are just tedium that is taken out. The progression would still lie in leveling your character.
    But I like getting the skyshards ..... :'(
  • SydneyGrey
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    YES!
    Sleep wrote: »
    delete warden
    You can delete it from your game. It's now my favorite class and I have three.
  • Glurin
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    YES!
    Cheveyo wrote: »
    I would much rather see new skill lines added.

    I used to share that opinion, but I've changed my mind recently.

    Bring on the Necromancers!

    NIoGM4C.jpg
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."
  • lagrue
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    Glurin wrote: »
    Cheveyo wrote: »
    I would much rather see new skill lines added.

    I used to share that opinion, but I've changed my mind recently.

    Bring on the Necromancers!

    NIoGM4C.jpg

    Necromancer with an Oblivion damage based skill line (and staff) is literally my ESO dream. I know Oblivion damage is more PVP, but as PVEr I want it for roleplaying, and to have a badass new mage archetype.
    "You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"
  • abigfishy
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    NO!
    I would like a new class like Necromancer but I voted NO because your poll was a mess!
    Edited by abigfishy on September 24, 2018 4:58AM
    Level 50 Characters
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    Odette Skullcrusher Nord DK EP Tank
    Hannah Smithee Breton Templar DC Healer
    Charlotte of the Wild Bosmer NB EP DPS
    Rabbath Amman Dark Elf Sorc EP DPS
    Lovely Twinkle High Elf Sorc AD Tank
    Nepith Dark Elf Warden EP Healer
    Tupac Shakoor Redguard Sorc DC Tank
    Faire the Last Snow Elf Altmer Warden EP Ice Staff Tank
    EU
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    Makush gro-Shurgal Orc DK DC Tank
    Cleopatra Tharn Imperial Sorc EP Healer
    Daenerys Targaryin Nord Templar DC Healer
    Zar Saarshar Khajiit NB DC Thief
    Celrith High Elf Sorc EP Assassin
    Falcar Dark Elf NB DC Necromancer
    Myriam Blaylock Breton NB EP Vampire
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  • TheShadowScout
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    NEVER!
    TiZzA93 wrote: »
    If they made achievements account wide and it counted the skyshards too...
    ...it would vex a great many people who actually spent the effort to earn achievements and skyshards on several alts of theirs, or use them to check what that particulat -character- has done or yet to do, which crafting style is still to be learned, or exploration missed, or dungeon miniboss passed by...
    ...though I am sure the lazy "gimme crowd" would like that, considering how often someone posts something along those lines, and tried to make an argument that they "deserve" character wide achievements because they "already did it" with a differtent character, and seem incapable to realize that characters and players are two different things. I mean...
    Who got the pile of gold, your character or the player?
    Who is the mass murderer, your character or the player?
    Who mastered blacksmithing, your character or the player?
    Who got arrested by the town guard, your character or the player?
    Who was declared emperor for a day, your character or the player?
    Who found the trophy in their inventory, your character or the player?
    Who has the title floating over their head, your character or the player?
    Who had their soul stolen and gotten it back, your character or the player?
    Get it yet? :p;)
    In an RPG, even a MMORPG, players interact with the game wold through their -characters- and each and every character is depicted as seperate individual, which grow and progress through the game, often at diverging paths when you play multiple characters (that is the point of multiple characters after all, play the game once as stamblade then as magplar, etc.; good RPGs even would allow for diverging storylines... play this way on your main, that way on your alt, etc.)
    TiZzA93 wrote: »
    would you like to have a new class...
    Nope.
    I would prefer -never- to see any more classes added to ESO, since that is a bit of a sore point for me, and most likely quite a few other old hands as well... as I have often stated before, for one reason, because people who have been plasing ESO for a while and may already played a dozend or more characters through all the same familiar content again and again might kinda feel vexed at the thought of having to do it all over once more another couple times to enjoy a new class... and even moreso for another reason, it is -highly- aggrivating to see a new class and think something like "Why the [-censored-] was that [-censored-] class not [-censored-] available back when I started in summer 2014, it would have made soooo much more [-censored-] sense for the backstory I thought up for this main/alt of mine..."
    And making people feel bad in those ways is generally is not a good idea if you want them to enjoy the game and have a good time (and drop some money into the crown store, which I reckon is still ZOS primary mission statement since they probably do not wish to have the suits in charge pull the plugs and sell off the assets as "non-profitable", yes?).

    Thus I always hope for them to someday add some mechanics that allow us to "refit" new classyness options to ALL characters, no matter if newly made or played since launch, like: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/369966/class-morph-idea-mk-ii ;)
    New skill lines (Weapon, Guilds etc) and Spellcrafting.
    Spellcrafting is shelved for the time being, who knows if they ever will dust the concept off again. It might be iffy, considering how it could end up with everyone and their granny running the same "most effective" selfmade skills... personally I would much rather see it done as -scrollcrafting-, to make consumables that mirror class skill spells.
    But I am with you when it comes to weapon skills: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371862/additional-weapon-skill-ideas-mk-ii
    ...or guild skills: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/387560/additional-guild-ideas-mk-ii
    ;)
  • Turelus
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    YES!
    One of the main reasons I don't really play my alts is because of character based achievements.

    I would play them and make a lot more with account wide things.

    Also, Necromancer, we need that class.
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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  • craftycarper73
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    Achievments account wide, yes, things like, completed that dungeon or that trial, but you dont get the skillpoint, if you want the skillpoint you do it again. Skyshards, lore books et al, no, thats part of the game, unlocking area's.

    May aswell just sell fully levelled toons with all the skyshards, skill points and lorebooks in the crown store.

    As for a new class, they cant even get the one's we have now right, why muddy the waters even further.
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  • LukosCreyden
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    Read my flair.

    I do not care if it is a weapon skill line, a world skill line or a class. Just give us Necromancy!

    I have never understood why game developers are afraid of making Necromancy a playable thing. Is it because it is spooky and evil?
    Well, good news! This is Elder Scrolls, everybody is hecking "evil"!

    Now, don't give me any "but the main villians use it and it wouldn't make sense for the Vestige to use it! They are the GOOD guy!" See above.
    I can literally spend my day roaming town, randomly stabbing innocent people in the face, take their stuff, fence it, then wander off and save a village from "evil" Daedra.

    Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.
  • Beardimus
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    NO!
    Stop trashing the ones they already have would be a better first step.
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  • spekdah
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    NO!

    Voted no.

    Can achieve new classes by adding skill lines to existing classes, including passives.
    Examples;
    Mage; add a necromancer line with undead summons, undead spells, lich ultimate. Another spell caster line; illusionist etc
    Warden; could add druid and shaman lines

    And so on....
  • SpiderCultist
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    YES!
    We should have like 2 more classes by now. ZoS releasing DLCs, cosmetics, chapters, etc. and...

    WE WANT MORE DIVERSITY
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  • TiZzA93
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    YES!
    @LukosCreyden MAIN STORY SPOILER: abnur tharn makes us dabble in necromancy during 1 of our main quests so the evil thing wud not really apply like vamp/ww affect nothing, plus why give us a personality then no class lol
  • Tandor
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    I have no problem with a new class, not that it's needed or a sensible time to introduce it, but I disagree totally with account-wide achievements. The topic might have made more sense if the idea of a new class had instead been linked to the offering of a free additional character slot.
  • Sevalaricgirl
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    It really makes me wonder when they kill the sorc class what the heck they are thinking. They should have left well enough alone. People moan and the man changes things to please them without thinking it through. Balance for PvP is idiotic because someone is always going to complain. That is how devs ruin games. If you ask me, there should be no PvP in games that aren't PvP games.

    Now as far as a new class, they can do it without killing other classes.
  • Anhedonie
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    NEVER!
    Wasn't the warden bad enough or you want more broken clases?
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  • LukosCreyden
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    TiZzA93 wrote: »
    @LukosCreyden MAIN STORY SPOILER: abnur tharn makes us dabble in necromancy during 1 of our main quests so the evil thing wud not really apply like vamp/ww affect nothing, plus why give us a personality then no class lol

    @TiZzA93
    "We'll make a necromancer of you yet!"

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  • Jeremy
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    YES!
    TiZzA93 wrote: »
    If they made achievements account wide and it counted the skyshards too :smile: would you like to have a new class and if so comment your class idea.

    New classes are always welcome additions.

    Unfortunately since this game chose to exclude support classes from the roster that limits their options.
  • mocap
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    YES!
    i want class change token :(
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