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It's too easy..TOO EASY TO THROW UP EFFECTIVE HEALTH WITH A FEW BUTTONS.

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Micah_Bayer
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Oh too easy to throw up effective health is it? Wow hmm..How interesting, i can avoid 100% DMG with the click of one button...Which button was that again? Oh yeah roll dodge. I mean I can roll to infinity and beyond even with the stacking of roll dodge. At least with shields they cost around 9k for every 3 wards. So every 4 seconds maybe less than that you're wasting 9k magicka on shields. That is a bit too easy considering there is a choice. You can maximize dmg and be out of magicka in less than a minute in pvp or focus on sustain and do crap dmg but be able to survive. Yep too easy, sorc jack of all trades. 6000 spell dmg and 60k magicka with 5000 regen. Dev has no idea what he's talking about easy lol. This entire game is easy bro. Not just magicka users.
  • Bouldercleave
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    Spectacular grouping of random thoughts. I applaud you.
  • RebornV3x
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    so what your saying is you want a cast time on roll dodging?
    Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
    I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.
  • Micah_Bayer
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    RebornV3x wrote: »
    so what your saying is you want a cast time on roll dodging?

    I am saying that the dev who made the comment about how shields are too easy has no idea what he is talking about.
  • Micah_Bayer
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    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Spectacular grouping of random thoughts. I applaud you.

    Thanks
  • Bouldercleave
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    Micah_Bayer wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Spectacular grouping of random thoughts. I applaud you.

    Thanks

    It was worth at least the awesome that you got!
  • Micah_Bayer
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    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Micah_Bayer wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Spectacular grouping of random thoughts. I applaud you.

    Thanks

    It was worth at least the awesome that you got!

    What can I say? I am a prodigy
  • Bouldercleave
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    Micah_Bayer wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Micah_Bayer wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Spectacular grouping of random thoughts. I applaud you.

    Thanks

    It was worth at least the awesome that you got!

    What can I say? I am a prodigy

    Not the description I would use.... By the way, I agree 100%
  • Savos_Saren
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    Micah_Bayer wrote: »
    RebornV3x wrote: »
    so what your saying is you want a cast time on roll dodging?

    I am saying that the dev who made the comment about how shields are too easy has no idea what he is talking about.

    I'd imagine that a game developer does know what they're talking about. And, currently, in order to cast a shield you ::click:: a button... or two.. or three depending on how many shields you want to stack. That's easy, right?
    Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.

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  • Micah_Bayer
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    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Micah_Bayer wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Micah_Bayer wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Spectacular grouping of random thoughts. I applaud you.

    Thanks

    It was worth at least the awesome that you got!

    What can I say? I am a prodigy

    Not the description I would use.... By the way, I agree 100%

    That is good that you agree. It means you are sensible.
  • therift
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    Sounds like OP is saying Nerf Sorc
  • Micah_Bayer
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    Savos_Saren wrote: »
    Micah_Bayer wrote: »
    RebornV3x wrote: »
    so what your saying is you want a cast time on roll dodging?

    I am saying that the dev who made the comment about how shields are too easy has no idea what he is talking about.

    I'd imagine that a game developer does know what they're talking about. And, currently, in order to cast a shield you ::click:: a button... or two.. or three depending on how many shields you want to stack. That's easy, right?

    I also click another button to roll dodge 100% of dmg Minus dots of course but that would be the same as oblivion dmg to magicka users
    Edited by Micah_Bayer on September 22, 2018 4:35PM
  • VaranisArano
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    Some people just want to watch the world burn everyone get nerfed.
  • Micah_Bayer
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    therift wrote: »
    Sounds like OP is saying Nerf Sorc

    They need more nerfs. Still too strong. I died from one yesterday
  • Micah_Bayer
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    VaranisArano wrote: »
    Some people just want to watch the world burn everyone get nerfed.

    True
  • Recremen
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    Yeah buddy hold on let me just roll-dodge that sorc execute, mines, and force shock spam. :D
    Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
    Grand High Illustrious Mid-Tier PvP/PvE Bussmunster
  • nemvar
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    Comparison of shields and dodge roll pre-doomsday-patch:

    Shields
    1. Protects against AOE
    2. Protect against DOTs
    3. Protect against crits
    4. Synergies well with HOTs
    5. Good against decent burst
    6. Vulnerable against execution effects if on low life
    7. Consumes the GCD

    Dodge roll
    1. Doesn't protect against AOE at all
    2. Doesn't protect against DOTs at all
    3. Gives complete mitgation of most single target abilites, some still apply secondary effects.
    4. Gives snare and root immunity
    5. Is on a seperate cooldown from the GCD
    6. Has stacking costs

    Conclusion: In PVE Shields are almost always better than dodgeroll due to the sheer amount of ground AOEs and otherwise undodgeable mechanics. Because magicka characters don't really use stamina for anything unless a mechanic dictates it, dodgeroll should almost always be available for them, essentially giving them a huge edge on stam characters.

    In PVP its a different story. Most AOEs can be relatively easily avoided and generally deal way less damage than their single target counterpart. Because of this dodgeroll is a much better option there.
    Due to the nature of the two defensive mechanics shield have a slight advantage in 1v1 and Xv1 situations while in 1vX dodgeroll vastly outperforms anything else until the stacking costs make it unviable to use.

    Post-patch comparison:

    Lol, still using shields in 2k18. Git gud scrub. Rekt.
  • Micah_Bayer
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    Recremen wrote: »
    Yeah buddy hold on let me just roll-dodge that sorc execute, mines, and force shock spam. :D

    You can. New changes last patch make sorc execute dodgable and you can dodge force shock spam. Idk why you would run into mines tho..That is a player error
  • Micah_Bayer
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    nemvar wrote: »
    Comparison of shields and dodge roll pre-doomsday-patch:

    Shields
    1. Protects against AOE
    2. Protect against DOTs
    3. Protect against crits
    4. Synergies well with HOTs
    5. Good against decent burst
    6. Vulnerable against execution effects if on low life
    7. Consumes the GCD

    Dodge roll
    1. Doesn't protect against AOE at all
    2. Doesn't protect against DOTs at all
    3. Gives complete mitgation of most single target abilites, some still apply secondary effects.
    4. Gives snare and root immunity
    5. Is on a seperate cooldown from the GCD
    6. Has stacking costs

    Conclusion: In PVE Shields are almost always better than dodgeroll due to the sheer amount of ground AOEs and otherwise undodgeable mechanics. Because magicka characters don't really use stamina for anything unless a mechanic dictates it, dodgeroll should almost always be available for them, essentially giving them a huge edge on stam characters.

    In PVP its a different story. Most AOEs can be relatively easily avoided and generally deal way less damage than their single target counterpart. Because of this dodgeroll is a much better option there.
    Due to the nature of the two defensive mechanics shield have a slight advantage in 1v1 and Xv1 situations while in 1vX dodgeroll vastly outperforms anything else until the stacking costs make it unviable to use.

    Post-patch comparison:

    Lol, still using shields in 2k18. Git gud scrub. Rekt.

    Good side by side comparison. This is a pvp post so your pvp remarks are spot on.
  • StamWhipCultist
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    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Spectacular grouping of random thoughts. I applaud you.

    yet another salty sorc. Nothing to see here, move on.
  • Solariken
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    Roll dodge is being nerfed too my man calm down lol.
    @Solariken - PC/NA & XB1/NA 59,000+ Achievement Points
  • Bouldercleave
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    StamWhipCultist wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Spectacular grouping of random thoughts. I applaud you.

    yet another salty sorc. Nothing to see here, move on.

    Interesting that you would say that to a long time Stamblade.
  • nemvar
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    Solariken wrote: »
    Roll dodge is being nerfed too my man calm down lol.

    Purely qualitatively speaking, you are correct. But the magnitude of the changes is not the same.
  • _Ahala_
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    Raced changed my Magden to an Argonian and dropped shields completely as they will be useless next patch... the game is moving towards mages surviving off heals and mobility alone instead of heals... if zos is not prepared to improve the healing and mobility options available to Magsorc next patch they will suffer greatly and unnecessarily
  • Red_Feather
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    I would love if dodge rolling made me the man of steel for 6 seconds.
  • Micah_Bayer
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    StamWhipCultist wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Spectacular grouping of random thoughts. I applaud you.

    yet another salty sorc. Nothing to see here, move on.

    I'm a stamblade boi
  • ssewallb14_ESO
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    Also my heavy Stamden pulls 2-3k HPS outnumbered in Cyrodiil with 26k health and 44% mitigation, just by keeping my buffs up. That's literally like a shield every second without casting anything, and not including active defense like Crystal shield and spores. And I can 1-bang a small group of players with cone AOE when Fury is fully charged.

    But no, it's magicka shields that are OP.
    Edited by ssewallb14_ESO on September 22, 2018 5:56PM
  • nryerson1025
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    The default control for roll dodging on pc actually requires you to press two buttons. 2x as difficult as casting a shield
  • StamWhipCultist
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    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    StamWhipCultist wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Spectacular grouping of random thoughts. I applaud you.

    yet another salty sorc. Nothing to see here, move on.

    Interesting that you would say that to a long time Stamblade.

    Was talking about OP. Seems rather obvious, rlly.
  • nemvar
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    nryerson1025 wrote: »
    The default control for roll dodging on pc actually requires you to press two buttons. 2x as difficult as casting a shield

    If somebody uses the default option I don't care what they think about balance. Same with first person.

    Like seriously, double tap for rolldodge? It's 2018 and not the damn middle ages.

    EDIT: whooosh
    Edited by nemvar on September 22, 2018 7:22PM
  • Zatox
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    del
    Edited by Zatox on September 22, 2018 7:22PM
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