Saw some PTS footage and the shield cast time makes sense to me.

Casul · September 2018

The only shields that got the cast time were conjured ward and annulment. Steadfast Ward didn't receive this cast time. Why you might ask?

I think that they are trying to fix two complaints with shields in one go.

1st complaint is that shield stacking is too strong. Well now you have 1-2 preemptive shields to activate before damage hits, and 1 panics shield through steadfast ward.

2nd complain is that because you damage shields in the order they were applied; people would cast hardened ward -> dampen magicka -> healing ward and you wouldn't be able to stop the heal from healing ward because of the previous two.

I think that they left healing ward as an instant cast to force it to be used 1st, which means people are more likely to prevent its healing.

This would also explain why the new blackrose healing staff has a 3 second major vitality on a 6 second shield. They wanted to make the non-healing morph more appealing.

Not trying to argue about the balance of the new patch, just trying to suggest what might be there line of thinking.

Jinchuu · September 2018

You do realize Healing Ward is going to be removed pretty much instantly right? Then if you make the mistake of trying to cast a shield with a 1 second cast time (which is actually 2 seconds and most likely will take even longer thanks to their bad servers) you're going to get interrupted and bodybagged right?

Apache_Kid · September 2018

BuildMan wrote: »

The only shields that got the cast time were conjured ward and annulment. Steadfast Ward didn't receive this cast time. Why you might ask?

I think that they are trying to fix two complaints with shields in one go.

1st complaint is that shield stacking is too strong. Well now you have 1-2 preemptive shields to activate before damage hits, and 1 panics shield through steadfast ward.

2nd complain is that because you damage shields in the order they were applied; people would cast hardened ward -> dampen magicka -> healing ward and you wouldn't be able to stop the heal from healing ward because of the previous two.

I think that they left healing ward as an instant cast to force it to be used 1st, which means people are more likely to prevent its healing.

This would also explain why the new blackrose healing staff has a 3 second major vitality on a 6 second shield. They wanted to make the non-healing morph more appealing.

Not trying to argue about the balance of the new patch, just trying to suggest what might be there line of thinking.

Their suggested line of thinking sucks. Whatever the reasoning behind it the results are ****.

Casul · September 2018

Jinchuu wrote: »

You do realize Healing Ward is going to be removed pretty much instantly right? Then if you make the mistake of trying to cast a shield with a 1 second cast time (which is actually 2 seconds and most likely will take even longer thanks to their bad servers) you're going to get interrupted and bodybagged right?

Like I said, not trying to argue. Just giving what I thought there thinking was.

@Apache_Kid

Fair enough, I feel like they should be uninterruptible, similar to soul assault.

ExcaliburESO · September 2018

Problem is most sorcs wont accept this they want ez pz skills with 100% guarantee heal at the end L2P is not for them

Apache_Kid · September 2018

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Problem is most sorcs wont accept this they want ez pz skills with 100% guarantee heal at the end L2P is not for them

I want to duel you so badly please tell me you are on xbox NA

Casul · September 2018

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Problem is most sorcs wont accept this they want ez pz skills with 100% guarantee heal at the end L2P is not for them

They could still technically do it. would just have to do a 4 shield rotation. Also I wonder if this goes live if iceheart and hardening glyph will be more appealing.

MaleAmazon · September 2018

Not trying to argue about the balance of the new patch, just trying to suggest what might be there line of thinking.

This does make sense. (I am not either saying it is a great change).

However it is a funny instinct some people have to instantly (before they even test things) write a post that their class has been 'destroyed'.

Shield stacking was always an annoyance because you could stack very large amounts of uncritable HP using the same resource pool you use for DPS. Shortening their duration didn´t kill shields (which ppl claimed it would), I don´t think this will. Shields are also not straight up nerfed, since you can make use of armor when using them now.

It does mean that a sorc will have to defend differently. And maybe consider that jumping into melee combat in full light armor wasn´t really the intention to begin with.

Sorcerers have resto staff skills, ultis, enchantments like hardening, dark exchange, blood magic passive, pet, power surge, psijic... there are options, some people just insist on not even trying them before posting 10 forum threads...

Or, the seven heavens forbid, put some points / set bonuses into defense...

Casul · September 2018

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Not trying to argue about the balance of the new patch, just trying to suggest what might be there line of thinking.

This does make sense. (I am not either saying it is a great change).

However it is a funny instinct some people have to instantly (before they even test things) write a post that their class has been 'destroyed'.

Shield stacking was always an annoyance because you could stack very large amounts of uncritable HP using the same resource pool you use for DPS. Shortening their duration didn´t kill shields, I don´t think this will. Shields are also not straight up nerfed, since you can make use of armor when using them now.

It does mean that a sorc will have to defend differently. And maybe consider that jumping into melee combat in full light armor wasn´t really the intention to begin with.

Sorcerers have resto staff skills, ultis, enchantments like hardening, dark exchange, blood magic passive, pet, power surge, psijic... there are options, some people just insist on not even trying them before posting 10 forum threads...

Or, the seven heavens forbid, put some points / set bonuses into defense...

Honestly I am more worried about the people who run blackrose healing staff with Ward Ally and then use Light's Champion. 0-100 not to mention the new set that gives minor vitality and mending when you activate a damage shield. I think people can adapt, just going to need healing in there kit. Would also explain the cost reduction for twilight matriarch.

Tan9oSuccka · September 2018

An insightful for you Op.

Finally, someone is looking at these changes objectively and not carrying a torch and pitchfork.

Runschei · September 2018

Ofc it doesn't affect healing ward. The black rose restoration staff needs SOME purpose

Casul · September 2018

Runschei wrote: »

Ofc it doesn't affect healing ward. The black rose restoration staff needs SOME purpose

Well currently black rose wouldn't effect healing ward. So I think it is trying to make the Ward Ally morph more appealing.

Cadbury · September 2018

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

An insightful for you Op.

Finally, someone is looking at these changes objectively and not carrying a torch and pitchfork.

Sadly, this won't stop certain people on the forum from tarring and feathering him just because they only read the title

Mannix1958 · September 2018

BuildMan wrote: »

The only shields that got the cast time were conjured ward and annulment. Steadfast Ward didn't receive this cast time. Why you might ask?

I think that they are trying to fix two complaints with shields in one go.

1st complaint is that shield stacking is too strong. Well now you have 1-2 preemptive shields to activate before damage hits, and 1 panics shield through steadfast ward.

2nd complain is that because you damage shields in the order they were applied; people would cast hardened ward -> dampen magicka -> healing ward and you wouldn't be able to stop the heal from healing ward because of the previous two.

I think that they left healing ward as an instant cast to force it to be used 1st, which means people are more likely to prevent its healing.

This would also explain why the new blackrose healing staff has a 3 second major vitality on a 6 second shield. They wanted to make the non-healing morph more appealing.

Not trying to argue about the balance of the new patch, just trying to suggest what might be there line of thinking.

I carry 2 destro staves...I can carry a res but this was an unnecessary change. I am sick of the needless nerfs...

AuraNebula · September 2018

I guess next up is for Nightblades to have a 1 second cast time before they cloak. Making a cast time is not counterplay it is just making it ridiculously easy to kill a sorc. The crit was enough.

Haashhtaag · September 2018

I can assure you the only rreason healing ward didn’t get a cast time is because the black rose restoration staff introduced with this DLC.

Bakkagami · September 2018

Jinchuu wrote: »

You do realize Healing Ward is going to be removed pretty much instantly right? Then if you make the mistake of trying to cast a shield with a 1 second cast time (which is actually 2 seconds and most likely will take even longer thanks to their bad servers) you're going to get interrupted and bodybagged right?

People keep mentioning that healing ward is going to get nuked. Healing ward is going to be an emergency buffer so that u have that extra 2 seconds to move away via streak/cloak/shade/ or time to pop a burst heal. The idea is to get LA away from face tanking with wards to using wards as a buffer and relocating to avoid/get out of range of damage. Your normal caster approach to mmo's basically. The shield stacking and soaking up damage more effectively than normal armor thing has always been odd from a design perspective.

Casul · September 2018

Cadbury wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

An insightful for you Op.

Finally, someone is looking at these changes objectively and not carrying a torch and pitchfork.

Sadly, this won't stop certain people on the forum from tarring and feathering him just because they only read the title

Someone has to start a constructive dialogue. Or else nothing gets done. I mean heck no one cares about all the other wonderful thing with this patch. I mean hell impulse got a buff and a new fancy staff that does 10k dot over 9 seconds BEFORE CP.

Mannix1958 wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

The only shields that got the cast time were conjured ward and annulment. Steadfast Ward didn't receive this cast time. Why you might ask?

I think that they are trying to fix two complaints with shields in one go.

1st complaint is that shield stacking is too strong. Well now you have 1-2 preemptive shields to activate before damage hits, and 1 panics shield through steadfast ward.

2nd complain is that because you damage shields in the order they were applied; people would cast hardened ward -> dampen magicka -> healing ward and you wouldn't be able to stop the heal from healing ward because of the previous two.

I think that they left healing ward as an instant cast to force it to be used 1st, which means people are more likely to prevent its healing.

This would also explain why the new blackrose healing staff has a 3 second major vitality on a 6 second shield. They wanted to make the non-healing morph more appealing.

Not trying to argue about the balance of the new patch, just trying to suggest what might be there line of thinking.

I carry 2 destro staves...I can carry a res but this was an unnecessary change. I am sick of the needless nerfs...

Makes sense though, in your case they want to add incentive to run resto because now it has the only instant cast shield.

Jinchuu · September 2018

Bakkagami wrote: »

People keep mentioning that healing ward is going to get nuked. Healing ward is going to be an emergency buffer so that u have that extra 2 seconds to move away via streak/cloak/shade/ or time to pop a burst heal. The idea is to get LA away from face tanking with wards to using wards as a buffer and relocating to avoid/get out of range of damage. Your normal caster approach to mmo's basically. The shield stacking and soaking up damage more effectively than normal armor thing has always been odd from a design perspective.

Painfully obvious you either don't pvp or if you do you just roll in a blob.

VaranisArano · September 2018

Healing Ward didn't get nerfed because healers provide it.

ZOS was pretty clear in the last class rep meeting they wanted to nerf damage shields because they make healers useless.

Lo and behold, the only major damage shield used by Magicka DDs that doesn't get nerfed is the one that Healers provide...

Tan9oSuccka · September 2018

Cadbury wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

An insightful for you Op.

Finally, someone is looking at these changes objectively and not carrying a torch and pitchfork.

Sadly, this won't stop certain people on the forum from tarring and feathering him just because they only read the title

They’ll be coming for sure.

The overriding theme has been “these changes are baseless”. Zenimax is just being mean.

Asardes · September 2018

I actually only use the latter on my Sorcerer

ExcaliburESO · September 2018

Apache_Kid wrote: »

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Problem is most sorcs wont accept this they want ez pz skills with 100% guarantee heal at the end L2P is not for them

I want to duel you so badly please tell me you are on xbox NA

master dk grand overlord pc eu nerfed since durok bleed build nerfed

Biro123 · September 2018

Bakkagami wrote: »

Jinchuu wrote: »

You do realize Healing Ward is going to be removed pretty much instantly right? Then if you make the mistake of trying to cast a shield with a 1 second cast time (which is actually 2 seconds and most likely will take even longer thanks to their bad servers) you're going to get interrupted and bodybagged right?

People keep mentioning that healing ward is going to get nuked. Healing ward is going to be an emergency buffer so that u have that extra 2 seconds to move away via streak/cloak/shade/ or time to pop a burst heal. The idea is to get LA away from face tanking with wards to using wards as a buffer and relocating to avoid/get out of range of damage. Your normal caster approach to mmo's basically. The shield stacking and soaking up damage more effectively than normal armor thing has always been odd from a design perspective.

If they want to do that, then they also need to:
1. Remove Swift
2. Make streak have a longer range than all gap-closers
3. Remove ranged interrupts.

Sorcs have been saying for a long time that they'd love to move away from shields - but the class needs an alternative..

Its like when its raining they want everyone to use a coat to keep dry..
Sorcs instead are holding an umberella.
So instead of swapping their umberella with nice, warm waterproof coat(like everyone else has), they instead take away their umberella, leaving them with a draughty t-shirt, throw a bucket of water over them (crit dmg), and kick em in the nuts (sustain nerf)

Kikke · September 2018

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Problem is most sorcs wont accept this they want ez pz skills with 100% guarantee heal at the end L2P is not for them

I want to duel you so badly please tell me you are on xbox NA

master dk grand overlord pc eu nerfed since durok bleed build nerfed

lol...

Merlin13KAGL · September 2018

First, no one was stacking three shields in the first place, and if they were, they weren't killing anything anyway.

The pro-Healing Ward/Ward Ally argument is equally asinine, as you shouldn't have to forfeit other weapon lines to get what should be available in class.

This goes for the heal, and the shield.

Vicarra · September 2018

If anything, they just made healers even more useless. By making resto shield the only instant cast one, LA wearers will now have to backbar resto staff for survivability. And if all the DPS in your party have resto backbar, what need is there for a dedicated healer?

GrigorijMalahevich · September 2018

BuildMan wrote: »

The only shields that got the cast time were conjured ward and annulment. Steadfast Ward didn't receive this cast time. Why you might ask?

I think that they are trying to fix two complaints with shields in one go.

1st complaint is that shield stacking is too strong. Well now you have 1-2 preemptive shields to activate before damage hits, and 1 panics shield through steadfast ward.

2nd complain is that because you damage shields in the order they were applied; people would cast hardened ward -> dampen magicka -> healing ward and you wouldn't be able to stop the heal from healing ward because of the previous two.

I think that they left healing ward as an instant cast to force it to be used 1st, which means people are more likely to prevent its healing.

This would also explain why the new blackrose healing staff has a 3 second major vitality on a 6 second shield. They wanted to make the non-healing morph more appealing.

Not trying to argue about the balance of the new patch, just trying to suggest what might be there line of thinking.

mate, you first cast healing ward and then you protect it with other wards to get the heal, not the other way around... #Gitgud

Sergykid · September 2018

the absorb shield isn't affected by the cast time? this is excellent info. Now you need actually a resto staff equipped to benefit from instant absorb. This is an excellent adjustment.

Micah_Bayer · September 2018

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Not trying to argue about the balance of the new patch, just trying to suggest what might be there line of thinking.

This does make sense. (I am not either saying it is a great change).

However it is a funny instinct some people have to instantly (before they even test things) write a post that their class has been 'destroyed'.

Shield stacking was always an annoyance because you could stack very large amounts of uncritable HP using the same resource pool you use for DPS. Shortening their duration didn´t kill shields (which ppl claimed it would), I don´t think this will. Shields are also not straight up nerfed, since you can make use of armor when using them now.

It does mean that a sorc will have to defend differently. And maybe consider that jumping into melee combat in full light armor wasn´t really the intention to begin with.

Sorcerers have resto staff skills, ultis, enchantments like hardening, dark exchange, blood magic passive, pet, power surge, psijic... there are options, some people just insist on not even trying them before posting 10 forum threads...

Or, the seven heavens forbid, put some points / set bonuses into defense...

I use double destro what about me?

Casul · September 2018

Also no one has even mentioned the awesome buffs to minor

Biro123 wrote: »

Bakkagami wrote: »

Jinchuu wrote: »

You do realize Healing Ward is going to be removed pretty much instantly right? Then if you make the mistake of trying to cast a shield with a 1 second cast time (which is actually 2 seconds and most likely will take even longer thanks to their bad servers) you're going to get interrupted and bodybagged right?

People keep mentioning that healing ward is going to get nuked. Healing ward is going to be an emergency buffer so that u have that extra 2 seconds to move away via streak/cloak/shade/ or time to pop a burst heal. The idea is to get LA away from face tanking with wards to using wards as a buffer and relocating to avoid/get out of range of damage. Your normal caster approach to mmo's basically. The shield stacking and soaking up damage more effectively than normal armor thing has always been odd from a design perspective.

If they want to do that, then they also need to:
1. Remove Swift
2. Make streak have a longer range than all gap-closers
3. Remove ranged interrupts.

Sorcs have been saying for a long time that they'd love to move away from shields - but the class needs an alternative..

Its like when its raining they want everyone to use a coat to keep dry..
Sorcs instead are holding an umberella.
So instead of swapping their umberella with nice, warm waterproof coat(like everyone else has), they instead take away their umberella, leaving them with a draughty t-shirt, throw a bucket of water over them (crit dmg), and kick em in the nuts (sustain nerf)

How about they change the physical defense/magical defense mundus stone to provide crit resistance? This could be an alternative.

Also the only ranged taunt people use is crushing shock, I haventseen anyone use venom arrow, please inform me if anyone does becuase generally PI is much more appealing.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

First, no one was stacking three shields in the first place, and if they were, they weren't killing anything anyway.

The pro-Healing Ward/Ward Ally argument is equally asinine, as you shouldn't have to forfeit other weapon lines to get what should be available in class.

This goes for the heal, and the shield.

This doesn't line up with the game though. stamina templars (kinda) , wardens, and dragonknights have to go into 2h (DW for steel tornado, but thats worse now with AoE reduction changes)to have an execute. Why not you go into resto for a shield?