How are magicka classes supposed to stay alive?

MLGProPlayer · September 2018

Dodging and blocking requires stamina and stamina regen, which magicka classes don't have.

Magicka classes had shields before, which consumed magicka. With shields being effectively removed from the game, we are defenseless.

Aliyavana · September 2018

Magblade have cloak, but I feel bad for mag classes as shield casting can be interrupted. This is a buff to zergs spamming ccs

Kinnahz · September 2018

You can still shield up... There is just a cast time of 1 second and tbh that's really not an issue

Aliyavana · September 2018

Kinnahz wrote: »

You can still shield up... There is just a cast time of 1 second and tbh that's really not an issue

That can apparently be interrupted

Bfish22090 · September 2018

Kinnahz wrote: »

You can still shield up... There is just a cast time of 1 second and tbh that's really not an issue

Press x to doubt

MLGProPlayer · September 2018

Kinnahz wrote: »

You can still shield up... There is just a cast time of 1 second and tbh that's really not an issue

That will result in a huge DPS loss, and many times, you need to cast shields on a whim.

redspecter23 · September 2018

There are ways, but probably not the answer you're looking for.

"Looking for more for norm AA, 11 more tanks needed"

Erraln · September 2018

Resto backbar, at least until they remember to put a channel on Healing Ward too.

Alaztor91 · September 2018

This is a buff if you use iceheart. Seriously.

Bakkagami · September 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Dodging and blocking requires stamina and stamina regen, which magicka classes don't have.

Magicka classes had shields before, which consumed magicka. With shields being effectively removed from the game, we are defenseless.

Sorc - streak into ward (even if they bash the first one u have 6 seconds for the next)

templar - purge + heal, don't use wards much anyway but cc into ward if u want

magblade - cloak or shade both give u separation and time to ward

warden - kinda screwed with this one since they lack a good cc or sure evasion but they have great sustained healing to help
them not get into a bad situation
dragonknight - so many heal options if played well/doesn't have harsh dependency on wards.

All of the above: healing ward doesn't have a cast time so it still makes a great emergency ward.

ps. Wards weren't removed, they just made it so spamming them doesn't all of a sudden turn u into a tank with no need to spec into survivability.

ArchMikem · September 2018

Healing? I've been out-healed many times where Shielding wasn't even necessary. Magic characters get access to all sorts of Heals while Stam gets nothing but Vigor. Rally if you use a 2Handed. And Surge if you're a Sorc.

ruikkarikun · September 2018

Kinnahz wrote: »

You can still shield up... There is just a cast time of 1 second and tbh that's really not an issue

Go to PTS and ty it. In real game it's like 3.5-4s. In EU PC VIVEC at prime with lags it will be 10+s. Instant death. And it's stupid to make defensive option with cast time.

Kinnahz · September 2018

This 'nerf' to shields and the sentiment across the board is very reminiscent of (correct me if im wrong on this one) Thieves guild patch when the time of the shields were dropped to 6s and people cried bloody murder for weeeeeeks only for Sorc to be the top PvE DPS for months there after.

A good player will adapt and overcome, this isn't the end for sorc.

ZarkingFrued · September 2018

By not booting the game up

Xeniph · September 2018

Or block with an ice staff on the back bar.

Seriously, I bet we see more ice staff defensive bars after this.

Minno · September 2018

Alaztor91 wrote: »

This is a buff if you use iceheart. Seriously.

Or any other free shield set lol

Minno · September 2018

Xeniph wrote: »

Or block with an ice staff on the back bar.

Seriously, I bet we see more ice staff defensive bars after this.

Some already were. Ice staff backbar was a nice choice for alot of PvP builds since it was changed to a block weapon. Just no one ran it until recently.

ecru · September 2018

I'm kinda wondering the same thing. It's very difficult to imagine surviving well in vCR+3 or vAS+2 without being able to block+shield. Unless damage is going to come down in these trials, the difficulty will increase substantially, especially for progression groups. My guild ran a few melee in vCR+3 and it just didn't "work" because they weren't able to shield themselves through some of the ridiculous outgoing damage in the trial. Also, with shields being nerfed to this degree, how are dps going to do the portal phase in cloudrest? You've also nerfed magblade's self healing with the nerf to refreshing path, so groups that run 4-6 magblades in that trial are going to have to send a healer through the portal I guess? I don't even know.

It's bad enough that you've designed the last two trials in such a way that makes them next to impossible for melee and with outgoing damage that requires shields, but now shields are being taken away? I'm not really keen on dying in trials over and over again because unavoidable damage instagibs me, so unless damage is nerfed in trials, I might just quit ESO altogether.

You're also creating a situation where sets like Gossamer will be required for trials due to the change to major evasion, as without instant cast shields, the buff from major evasion will be required for most trials.

Xeniph · September 2018

Minno wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Or block with an ice staff on the back bar.

Seriously, I bet we see more ice staff defensive bars after this.

Some already were. Ice staff backbar was a nice choice for alot of PvP builds since it was changed to a block weapon. Just no one ran it until recently.

Yup I agree, it's just not very popular. I think we will see more of them though.

AgaTheGreat · September 2018

Most people do pve more than pvp. You've got more options to stay alive in pvp but if you want to be competitive in pve you have to follow the meta and you can't put heavy armour on and hope for the best.

Solo content, vma for example, is going to be too punishing for new players. It already is frustrating for most players, imagine someone trying to learn it and they can't even shield themselves in time.

I'm glad I cancelled my eso plus subscription a few days ago.

Mayrael · September 2018

Xeniph wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Or block with an ice staff on the back bar.

Seriously, I bet we see more ice staff defensive bars after this.

Some already were. Ice staff backbar was a nice choice for alot of PvP builds since it was changed to a block weapon. Just no one ran it until recently.

Yup I agree, it's just not very popular. I think we will see more of them though.

I think you won't, nobody will play AP pinata, they will roll stamina or quit the game. Personally I choose the second option, I won't support this madness and it's sad to see all stam users cheering because of that proposed change, you simply want easy kills, but what this change really kills is the game. Look at the forums, it's the first day and hundreds of people already unsubed, if this goes alive you will regret that change to.

I love this game I really do, but when something like this happens I won't smash my head over the wall, I'll just move on somewhere else, where devs have at least some concept of balance

Diora · September 2018

AgaTheGreat wrote: »

Solo content, vma for example, is going to be too punishing for new players. It already is frustrating for most players, imagine someone trying to learn it and they can't even shield themselves in time.

Yeah, I was just thinking, it's time to farm the crap out of vMA. I mean, i just beat it for the first time last week, and i know for a fact that the 1-second cast time is plenty of time for those mobs to destroy me. and having a resto staff on my back bar would mean i lose so much DPS as to make the content impossible.

in groups, i think it will still be manageable. but solo? RIP mag classes

Minno · September 2018

Mayrael wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Or block with an ice staff on the back bar.

Seriously, I bet we see more ice staff defensive bars after this.

Some already were. Ice staff backbar was a nice choice for alot of PvP builds since it was changed to a block weapon. Just no one ran it until recently.

Yup I agree, it's just not very popular. I think we will see more of them though.

I think you won't, nobody will play AP pinata, they will roll stamina or quit the game. Personally I choose the second option, I won't support this madness and it's sad to see all stam users cheering because of that proposed change, you simply want easy kills, but what this change really kills is the game. Look at the forums, it's the first day and hundreds of people already unsubed, if this goes alive you will regret that change to.

I love this game I really do, but when something like this happens I won't smash my head over the wall, I'll just move on somewhere else, where devs have at least some concept of balance

LA can survive but it's a little bit akin to mobilty based MA.

Some of us LA classes can't sustain both a burst heal and an expensive shield. Therefore found solice in the fact resists/% DMG mitigation offered lots of cushion. You'll likely find most shield based mag builds follow suit.

James-Wayne · September 2018

Welcome to Magplars world

katorga · September 2018

With a 1 second cast time you can't keep pets alive in pve.

Disturbed125 · September 2018

Just echoing the sentiment of most people here, this shield cast time is a bad idea.

I spent much of the day today running vet Blackrose Prison on the PTS and you can really feel the change. While attempting it I actually took my shield off of my bar because i would attempt to shield up like normal and end up getting caught in a 2-3s channel which killed me. My shield was actually an active detriment to my survive-ability instead of a help, even in the event that i remembered to use it early the shield was so small and took so long to recast it often didnt save me from the high incoming damage. Before its mentioned we ran the typical 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 dps set up and I was being actively healed. Most of the content in the game was designed with mag dps having access to those instant shield casts which allow them to survive constant incoming damage. Without it its quite a struggle, on magnb couple it with the loss of passive healing and its really just not fun to try and survive.

Xeniph · September 2018

Mayrael wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Or block with an ice staff on the back bar.

Seriously, I bet we see more ice staff defensive bars after this.

Some already were. Ice staff backbar was a nice choice for alot of PvP builds since it was changed to a block weapon. Just no one ran it until recently.

Yup I agree, it's just not very popular. I think we will see more of them though.

I think you won't, nobody will play AP pinata, they will roll stamina or quit the game. Personally I choose the second option, I won't support this madness and it's sad to see all stam users cheering because of that proposed change, you simply want easy kills, but what this change really kills is the game. Look at the forums, it's the first day and hundreds of people already unsubed, if this goes alive you will regret that change to.

I love this game I really do, but when something like this happens I won't smash my head over the wall, I'll just move on somewhere else, where devs have at least some concept of balance

I play magicka and stamina specs equally. I just don't use shields on any of my builds because I found them too tedious and cheesy. I didn't enjoy the playstyle. So I figured out builds that didn't rely on shields aside from healing ward, which this patch didn't get much ajustment.

So while I can appreciate where you are coming from ( I did the whole unsub protest in Morrowind) People will adapt or leave and I am fine with that. But to think I am some "evil stam user" cheering the demise of shields is just plain wrong. I haven't liked shields since the game was all magicka

Didgerion · September 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

How are magicka classes supposed to stay alive?

How about not engaging in a fight?

Minno · September 2018

Didgerion wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

How are magicka classes supposed to stay alive?

How about not engaging in a fight?

Elder Standing Online lol

JarlUlfric · September 2018

Bakkagami wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Dodging and blocking requires stamina and stamina regen, which magicka classes don't have.

Magicka classes had shields before, which consumed magicka. With shields being effectively removed from the game, we are defenseless.

Sorc - streak into ward (even if they bash the first one u have 6 seconds for the next)

templar - purge + heal, don't use wards much anyway but cc into ward if u want

magblade - cloak or shade both give u separation and time to ward

warden - kinda screwed with this one since they lack a good cc or sure evasion but they have great sustained healing to help
them not get into a bad situation
dragonknight - so many heal options if played well/doesn't have harsh dependency on wards.

All of the above: healing ward doesn't have a cast time so it still makes a great emergency ward.

ps. Wards weren't removed, they just made it so spamming them doesn't all of a sudden turn u into a tank with no need to spec into survivability.

Except that Healing Ward does diddly poo now that you can crit it. I've tested it, it's gone before you can even line something up offensively. Light Armor pvp builds are dead my dude.

Narvuntien · September 2018

Having a healer..