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Is it time to disband the class rep system?
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Matthew_Galvanus✭✭✭✭✭
✭personally i think so. They've shown they simply don't feel like listening to any class rep except NB players.54 -
Lyss1991✭✭✭✭Whats the point of it when we get crap like this current pts patch?PS4 NA EST June 2016 | GM of Tamriel’s Outkasts Social Guild | Main - Assylah - Max CP Breton Mag Sorc - Master Angler - Mageslayer - Shehai Shatterer - Ophidian Overlord | Best Thief in Tamriel - Khajiit NB Purrfecta Meowna | Aspiring Master Crafter | Achievement Hunter | Recipe/Blueprint Enthusiast | Costume Junkie | Primary Residence - Princely Dawnlight Palace47 -
getemshauna✭✭✭✭✭They created the Class Reps group only to let them take hits for terrible patch notes. ZOS doesn't listen to Reps and nothing can help game balance at this point, untill Zenimax completly rebuilds the team responsible for combat balance in their game.Founder of Call of the Undaunted
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JamieAubrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I feel sorry for @ZOS_GinaBruno when she wrote out the patch notes and had to press submit she was like, "This is going to backlash so bad"37 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Its time to accept that ZOS is going to do what ZOS wants to do, and rhe class reps are purely advisory. Their main function is to provide community reactions and advice, but ultimately, we all know ZOS does what they want.15 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well, if ZOS wants to ruin the fun in their game for a sizable portion of the playerbase, their sales are going to tank.25 -
Ruinhorn✭✭✭✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »personally i think so. They've shown they simply don't feel like listening to any class rep except NB players.
Heard the same 2+ years ago about others when NB was the weakest and the most unrewarding class
It seems ZOS really balance everything in rotation. Since beta they can't focus on balancing everything together.9 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Well, if ZOS wants to ruin the fun in their game for a sizable portion of the playerbase, their sales are going to tank.
No, for the same reason that the sustain changes in Morrowind didn't change the game's overall trajectory, the same reason the block changes in Dragon Bones didn't cause every tank to leave the game, and the same reason that the sorc changes with Wolf Hunter didn't kill the game.
Because new players don't know. They won't notice. No matter how much a handful of veteran players, with a myopic view of their own performance in isolation of the rest of the game, whine and cry, this is good for the game. New players won't have to deal with the same bull**** we did to get here. That's good.
It may not seem like it, especially as content is getting more difficult, but here we are. Plan ahead, shield before he hit. You have more time to use your shield before you need another one. That hurt your DPS? So what?16 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Well, if ZOS wants to ruin the fun in their game for a sizable portion of the playerbase, their sales are going to tank.
No, for the same reason that the sustain changes in Morrowind didn't change the game's overall trajectory, the same reason the block changes in Dragon Bones didn't cause every tank to leave the game, and the same reason that the sorc changes with Wolf Hunter didn't kill the game.
Because new players don't know. They won't notice. No matter how much a handful of veteran players, with a myopic view of their own performance in isolation of the rest of the game, whine and cry, this is good for the game. New players won't have to deal with the same bull**** we did to get here. That's good.
It may not seem like it, especially as content is getting more difficult, but here we are. Plan ahead, shield before he hit. You have more time to use your shield before you need another one. That hurt your DPS? So what?
I don’t know what game you’re playing, but many good players left after the Morrowind changes and did not come back. To some extent the raiding community is still recovering from this. I can only imagine how many more will leave if some of these changes go live.
And as for tanks, they are a scarcity. A problem that was definitely worsened every time their role was made more difficult through sustain changes.13 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Well, if ZOS wants to ruin the fun in their game for a sizable portion of the playerbase, their sales are going to tank.
What sales? People already bought the game. The way most people on the forum react they don't buy much anyway on the crown store. So what sales will be lost? Just curious what I am not seeing.Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"5 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The Class Rep program was a failure from the start.
There are many other channels of providing feedback other than submitting notes to the Reps.
There are a number of possible reasons why the program didn't work.
The Reps either promoted their own agenda and/or ignored player feedback or ZOS ignored the Reps and the players feedback altogether.
Any one of the above possible reasons may be the case, but either way it is clear that the Class Rep program is pointless and isn't needed.Edited by Universe on September 18, 2018 12:01AMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭Class reps aren't game designers. Nor do they have the power to approve, disapprove code changes.
This is like mob rule here cause some folks aren't happy with the changes.7 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So, I don't have a lot to offer, being so new - except that I will do as I did in other games.
Wait and see how it shakes out.3 -
ccmedaddy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You're letting ZOS get away with *** balancing decisions if you choose to direct your ire at the class reps.5 -
Lyss1991✭✭✭✭Class REPS are supposed to REPresent the players and the classes they play on. If ZOS isnt gonna listen to them anyway, Why do they have a job? Theyre literally unnecessary.PS4 NA EST June 2016 | GM of Tamriel’s Outkasts Social Guild | Main - Assylah - Max CP Breton Mag Sorc - Master Angler - Mageslayer - Shehai Shatterer - Ophidian Overlord | Best Thief in Tamriel - Khajiit NB Purrfecta Meowna | Aspiring Master Crafter | Achievement Hunter | Recipe/Blueprint Enthusiast | Costume Junkie | Primary Residence - Princely Dawnlight Palace3
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Jinchuu✭✭✭✭Class reps are about as useful as shields will be with these changes so yeah get rid of them.Unless you are willing to be a mindless sycophant and/or coddle others due to their insecurities prepare to be harrased by the Orwellian enforcers on these forums. You should also try to refrain from using any words more complex than those used by a small child due to the fact that said enforcers have made it clear that their vocabulary pool is aenemic.4
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Ragged_Claw✭✭✭✭✭
✭We cannot blame the class reps for this, they can only pass our concerns along, they can't force ZoS to listen to them. Having said that, it makes me wonder why ZoS bothered with the scheme if they are not going to listen to them. I'm wondering if ZoS are just using the reps as meat-shields to take all the flak for their questionable decisions.PC EU & NA4 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've never really commented on the class rep system because I don't know where the idea originated or what the long-term objectives for it really are.
It's kind of like a fantasy sports league. You can have a lot of knowledgeable people join up but there are so many variables involved that even a roster with a high probability of success can be upset. ZOS, superficially, seems more interested in those upsets. Perhaps they feel it provides more entertainment value when watching the game being played? Maybe they've been led to believe that faster, burst-attack play styles are more exciting to see than slower, more defensive ones - especially among potential new players?
I don't know. Sometimes it seems like for every time somebody wonders how exactly ESO fits into Elder Scrolls continuity overall, ZOS wonders how exactly their game is perceived by the gaming public.signing off0 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Shields have been over-performing for ages. When the only necessary advice to mag builds is, "keep your shields up," you should have known, "wait, something's not right here." But, no, addressing that, so that Mag and Stam players both need to deal with mechanics, is clearly going to kill the game. Where saying, "yeah, you got to endgame, now go **** yourself and roll a mag build, because we won't let you into vAS+2 on a stam," is so much healthier for the community.
Shields are idiomatic defense for magicka. They can't be spammed all the time, they're reactive defense, so advice to shield up is same as telling stamina to roll out of red. That's how they survive - stamina rolls out of incoming hit, magicka brings up the shields. It's just different ways of reacting to mechanics.
Also, nerfing shields won't make stamina any more welcome in vAS. Trial design ensures melee isn't performing well there. Nerf magicka hard enough and there won't be anyone around to go to Asylum. How that is much healthier for the community is a mystery to me.8 -
crazy_catman21✭✭✭Lmao I can’t be the only one that’s happy w the changes, zos just earned my sub back.
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Numerikuu✭✭✭✭✭
✭gethemshauna wrote: »They created the Class Reps group only to let them take hits for terrible patch notes. ZOS doesn't listen to Reps and nothing can help game balance at this point, untill Zenimax completly rebuilds the team responsible for combat balance in their game.
Pretty much. That and to give the illusion of caring about feedback. Nothing will change if the core remains rotten. We saw what happened to last years reps. It's Morrowind all over again... Imagine my shock 0 -
craigr02✭✭✭Why this is bad, one guy said its not bad and eso has an upward trajectory on new sales. I highly doubt that. We have what Zos has told us, we dont see what they show in the board room or to their share holders, for all we know they arent making a profit, and yes there may have been 8 milion players, but how many play at one time, is that 8 million since the game started?
If veteran players leave and never come back, because it happened after the resource nerf, it takes a valuable resource away from the game. Games need veterans not just noobs. Eventually noobs are going to want to do vet trials and stuff above average, and if zos keeps running people off their wont be anyone to teach people. The game might survive, but you wont be making as much money as you can. Unless the environment for gaming is different than other business, its cheaper and better to keep customers than to have to get new ones. Eventually you will run out of new customers to recruit, and you will have to deel with the negative comments and reviews.
When those chapters come out who's going to buy them? Maybe some new customers, but most will be veteran players.
I kind of started rambling, but you may get the idea. When so many people leave there wont be groups for people to join and the game will start to suck worse and worse.
Im going to wait and see what happens with this pts. I mainly play magika, so this effects me quite a bit, and shield come crucial when doing challenging content.1 -
Pink_Violinz✭✭✭✭✭The reps aren't the issue, it's how Zeni goes about fixing the issues they bring up.
Healers said they felt like they weren't needed, the rep repeated this, and this is how Zeni responded. No one suggested they nerf shields, and it's been getting major backlash.
Don't blame the reps when it's Zeni's implementation that's the actual issue. They're trying their best, and no class is going to advocate for their skills to be nerfed.1 -
TheStealthDude✭✭✭✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »personally i think so. They've shown they simply don't feel like listening to any class rep except NB players.
Not even all NB players. NB healing and tanking took a huge hit.1 -
Ohtimbar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Its only goal is to provide the illusion of player input, and it hasn't even succeeded in that limited capacity.forever stuck in combat4
