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Dawnbreaker & Vigor needs looking at.
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭the AOE effect on dawnbreaker needs to go away. Maybe make it single target. It would balance the stam and Mag classes and not have a stamina zerg going that can't be stopped. There is no negate for stamina. Same with vigor get rid of the aoe. You have over powered stamina with just those 2 abilities.
DBS need some change it hits very harder to Vamps and Vigor + Rally + Troll King = OP
Vigor not need any nerf or stam can not do solo hard pve contents. Problem is when it is used combined with Rally and Troll king.0 -
LukosCreyden✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Can we just ban nerf threads?
Skills and classes do NOT need nerfing. They set an example that other skills and classes need to meet.Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.6 -
StamWhipCultist✭✭✭✭✭DBoS is overpowered.
It can be anim cancel to the point you can't counter it.
Dawnbreaker need to have his DOT REMOVED or at least GROUND based instead of player based.
DBoS is the best ultimate in the game because :- it's a AoE
- Undodgeable
- Cheap
- Stun
- That deal a lot of burst damage
- + 20% vs vamp and WW
- That deal a LOT of dot damage (it's a dot that stay on player so you take at least 1 dot in the burst since u need to breakfree then you take a lot more damage overtime).
- Unpreditable and invisible with cut anim.
This is far too much when you look at other ultimate.
The DoT need to go
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Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭StamWhipCultist wrote: »DBoS is overpowered.
It can be anim cancel to the point you can't counter it.
Dawnbreaker need to have his DOT REMOVED or at least GROUND based instead of player based.
DBoS is the best ultimate in the game because :- it's a AoE
- Undodgeable
- Cheap
- Stun
- That deal a lot of burst damage
- + 20% vs vamp and WW
- That deal a LOT of dot damage (it's a dot that stay on player so you take at least 1 dot in the burst since u need to breakfree then you take a lot more damage overtime).
- Unpreditable and invisible with cut anim.
This is far too much when you look at other ultimate.
The DoT need to go
Wrobel, leaves this body !2 -
NolaArch✭✭✭✭✭Nah, they don’t.Ardat-Yakshii EP Stam NB
36k anchovy club
Mash the buttons, hope for the best!
I have some achievements1 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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I thought incap was the best ultimate in the game what change?DBoS is overpowered.
It can be anim cancel to the point you can't counter it.
Dawnbreaker need to have his DOT REMOVED or at least GROUND based instead of player based.
DBoS is the best ultimate in the game because :- it's a AoE
- Undodgeable
- Cheap
- Stun
- That deal a lot of burst damage
- + 20% vs vamp and WW
- That deal a LOT of dot damage (it's a dot that stay on player so you take at least 1 dot in the burst since u need to breakfree then you take a lot more damage overtime).
- Unpreditable and invisible with cut anim.
This is far too much when you look at other ultimate.
The DoT need to go
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Dawnbreaker is always in my deathcap when fighting a stam person with a brain, but it isn't the only reason I die. Usually it isn't being able to mitigate bursts or perma stunned with cc stacking.
That said...it would be nice to have some sort of negate stamina option and not be singled out for being a magicka purist. Warden's fungal growth becomes a stam heal, the cliff racer could use a muzzle in a bubble...
Because Dawnbreaker is the only way they can kill you!
Oh cool @Aedaryl is here making bad points too lolEdited by Lexxypwns on September 15, 2018 10:41PM6 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭Step one to counter dawnbreaker: Go to a Priest or Priestess of Arkay and cure your vamprism...7 -
KingExecration✭✭✭✭I don’t even play stam, but have you people heard of healing springs? It’s this strong healing aoe that one healer stacking it out does a bunch of vigors imo3
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IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭As much as I deem stam as an abomination in the TES world, this thread is just... lol. If you think current Vigor is strong... you should have seen what it could do back few patches ago. Oh and DBoS was basically on a near spammable level back before increase to 125 cost. You would have loved that meta. Both feel a lot more balanced now than in the past.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel2 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DBoS is overpowered.
It can be anim cancel to the point you can't counter it.
Dawnbreaker need to have his DOT REMOVED or at least GROUND based instead of player based.
DBoS is the best ultimate in the game because :- it's a AoE
- Undodgeable
- Cheap
- Stun
- That deal a lot of burst damage
- + 20% vs vamp and WW
- That deal a LOT of dot damage (it's a dot that stay on player so you take at least 1 dot in the burst since u need to breakfree then you take a lot more damage overtime).
- Unpreditable and invisible with cut anim.
This is far too much when you look at other ultimate.
The DoT need to go
1. Aoe - As are pretty much all ults.
2. Again as are pretty much all ults, leaps, meteor, destro ult etc..
3. It's not cheap, its more normal ult cost, same cost as leap, more expensive than soul assault etc..
4. Yes most ults stun, leap, meteor, incap.
5. It can get a nice tooltip yeah but other ults have more straight up burst dmg for cost, again leap/ incap.
6. Thats part of the downsides to using vamp/ ww don't go them?
7. Yeah but if you survive the initial burst + dot tick then you're usually fine, dots aren't as threatening when over 5s.
8. What exactly do you mean by unpredictable? Its an ult people aren't physic and you can't know when someones going to ult, though with enough experience its becomes obvious when. I can ani cancel any skill.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...4 -
CyberSkooma✭✭✭✭✭Vigor is definitely not an issue.
Dawnbreaker itself is not either. SWIFT is the issue. When you're running at 100mph, and can dodge roll cast a dawnbreaker into a crowd, and moving onward so fast that nobody has touched you- it's an issue.
Remove Swift.Edited by CyberSkooma on September 16, 2018 3:37AMI play this game a little bit I guess2 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You can nerf DBoS when every stam spec has a class ulti that’s on par with incap.
DBoS is actually superior to Incap now.
With the functional cost increase to Incap, it’s just better to run DB in most situations. You get extra weapon damage, an AoE undodgeable stun > single target dodgeable stun, the DoT and increased dmg to vamps (most people in PvP lately) put it on par with the pressure from Incap’s 20% damage amp.
Incap is decent for sneak-up ganks on one person, but in open combat or even something like BGs, DBoS works way better.4 -
Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »DBoS is overpowered.
It can be anim cancel to the point you can't counter it.
Dawnbreaker need to have his DOT REMOVED or at least GROUND based instead of player based.
DBoS is the best ultimate in the game because :- it's a AoE
- Undodgeable
- Cheap
- Stun
- That deal a lot of burst damage
- + 20% vs vamp and WW
- That deal a LOT of dot damage (it's a dot that stay on player so you take at least 1 dot in the burst since u need to breakfree then you take a lot more damage overtime).
- Unpreditable and invisible with cut anim.
This is far too much when you look at other ultimate.
The DoT need to go
1. Aoe - As are pretty much all ults.
2. Again as are pretty much all ults, leaps, meteor, destro ult etc..
3. It's not cheap, its more normal ult cost, same cost as leap, more expensive than soul assault etc..
4. Yes most ults stun, leap, meteor, incap.
5. It can get a nice tooltip yeah but other ults have more straight up burst dmg for cost, again leap/ incap.
6. Thats part of the downsides to using vamp/ ww don't go them?
7. Yeah but if you survive the initial burst + dot tick then you're usually fine, dots aren't as threatening when over 5s.
8. What exactly do you mean by unpredictable? Its an ult people aren't physic and you can't know when someones going to ult, though with enough experience its becomes obvious when. I can ani cancel any skill.
Here is the perfect exemple of the potatoes using a OP ability and hwo try to find excuse to that with his lack of knowledge.- Not "pretty much all ulti are AoE", Incap, Berserker Strike, Rapid fire, Soul strike, Eternal guardian and overload (AoE is never used because useless). All theze ultimate hit hard, like dawnbreaker, but are single target. Dawnbreaker is the best AoE ultimate in the game, will explain in other points.
- Most hard hitting ultimate are dodgeable, like incap, overload, berzerker strike.
- Dawnbreaker is the the cheapiest uncounterable AoE stun hard hitting ultimate. Soul assault, incap, feral guardian and overload are single target and easely counterable or telegraphed and Secluded grove is a heal. There is 20 ultimate in the game that cost more than dawnbreaker, and 3 that have the same cost (there is 29 ultimate in the game). You can't say dawnbreaker isn't cheap. This is not an opinion, this is fact.
- Meteor and leap are telegraphed and so counterble, incap is dodgeable and single target, Atro deal low AoE damage and is more expensive and soul theter is also more expensive. Dawnbreaker is the best stun ultimate.
- Incap deal less damage than dawnbreaker because of the first DoT tick being in the burst. Leap deal sligtly more burst damage but is outclassed by DBoS because it's telegraphed. Meteor on magicka build can have better tooltip but it cost far more and is telegraphed. Berzerker strike cost more and is single target. This make DBoS the best burst damage ultimate.
- DBoS is one the 4rd ulti able to deal 20% more damage to some people. It make it even better for damage.
- The DoT is powerfull, near 3k tooltip per second, it add strong pressure that keep you in execute range while you heal/shield yourself vs execute spamming. that dot also make DBoS BiS for group play because if 3 of people use it, you add 10k+ tooltip per second dot for 4s after the burst, and it's AoE huge pressure.
- DBoS can be cut anim so well you can't even see the animation, the audio cue is also very bad. A good player bait other good players, he don't use ulti when it's super obvious. No one with a half brain can die to a stamden turing around a rock and casting shalks for suddently turn with DBoS + execute. Leap, meteor, other AoE stun ultimate are telegraphed and can be very easely countered.
If every stamplayer is using DBoS it's because it's the best overall offensive ultimate in the game.
There is no ultimate in the game that deal as much damage in AoE with a stun. The damage is so good it's prefered over single target ultimate, and it's deal the best AoE damage in the game.
Dawnbreaker of Smiting is overpowered and just kills similar abilities like Leap or meteor or crescent sweep.
The versatility of the ultimate make it BiS for all stamina player and magsorc/magplar/magden hwo want unpredictable burst.3 -
Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »DBoS is overpowered.
It can be anim cancel to the point you can't counter it.
Dawnbreaker need to have his DOT REMOVED or at least GROUND based instead of player based.
DBoS is the best ultimate in the game because :- it's a AoE
- Undodgeable
- Cheap
- Stun
- That deal a lot of burst damage
- + 20% vs vamp and WW
- That deal a LOT of dot damage (it's a dot that stay on player so you take at least 1 dot in the burst since u need to breakfree then you take a lot more damage overtime).
- Unpreditable and invisible with cut anim.
This is far too much when you look at other ultimate.
The DoT need to go
1. Aoe - As are pretty much all ults.
2. Again as are pretty much all ults, leaps, meteor, destro ult etc..
3. It's not cheap, its more normal ult cost, same cost as leap, more expensive than soul assault etc..
4. Yes most ults stun, leap, meteor, incap.
5. It can get a nice tooltip yeah but other ults have more straight up burst dmg for cost, again leap/ incap.
6. Thats part of the downsides to using vamp/ ww don't go them?
7. Yeah but if you survive the initial burst + dot tick then you're usually fine, dots aren't as threatening when over 5s.
8. What exactly do you mean by unpredictable? Its an ult people aren't physic and you can't know when someones going to ult, though with enough experience its becomes obvious when. I can ani cancel any skill.
@leepalmer95
While I do think DBoS is fine- I don't think that an ultimate should be animation cancelled. As for the bolded part of your quote: Please teach me how to animation cancel Ferocious Leap. I would love to learn that.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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mav1234✭✭✭✭✭DBoS seems overtuned now with the change to Incap especially. DBoS is the best ult in the game - so good that many magika use it in no CP, and most stam use it over their class ults (maybe some DKs are using leap still, but many nbs have even moved over to db, at least in no cp). I'm not sure a good solution there because I don't think just nerfing it is a good idea.
Vigor is not OP. However, hots are incredibly strong when you can move as fast as you can right now. So vigor + swift + major expedition + snare immunity = stamina is overpowered.
FM should last 2 seconds and magika should get an accessible snare immunity for that duration. Maybe a Swift nerf while we're at it...
Edited by mav1234 on September 16, 2018 4:50PM1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »Against mobility: Gapcloser
Against forward momentum: CCs
against bleeds: cloak, HoT, shields
Theres a counter 4 everything
gapcloaser are suicidal in this gameI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »Against mobility: Gapcloser
Against forward momentum: CCs
against bleeds: cloak, HoT, shields
Theres a counter 4 everything
gapcloaser are suicidal in this game
Yeah gap closers are suicidal but ironically because immediately after gap closing 4 invisible Dawnbreakers rain down and delete you lol.0 -
sly007✭✭✭✭im all for taking away the aoe from vigor, dawnbreaker is too good compared to a plethura of the other stamulties, but pls dont nerf it..id rather see a buff to the other ulties
I agree. While we are at it, breath of life, healing springs, regenaration, and healing ward can only be applied to the caster.0 -
Pulque✭✭✭DBoS is overpowered.
It can be anim cancel to the point you can't counter it.
Dawnbreaker need to have his DOT REMOVED or at least GROUND based instead of player based.
DBoS is the best ultimate in the game because :- it's a AoE
- Undodgeable
- Cheap
- Stun
- That deal a lot of burst damage
- + 20% vs vamp and WW
- That deal a LOT of dot damage (it's a dot that stay on player so you take at least 1 dot in the burst since u need to breakfree then you take a lot more damage overtime).
- Unpreditable and invisible with cut anim.
This is far too much when you look at other ultimate.
The DoT need to go
Meteor is the best ultimate in the game because :- it's a AoE
- Undodgeable
- Cheap
- Knockback
- That deal a lot of burst damage
- Snare
- YOU CAN THROW A METEOR 28M AWAY!!!!!!!!! WTF NERF THIS PLS!!!!!!!!!! THINK ABOUT 30MAN ZERF THROWING 30 METEORS TO YOU!!!! NO COUNTER PLAY!!!!!!!
The distance needs to go.Edited by Pulque on September 16, 2018 6:42PM2 -
Datthaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dnot think dbos needs a nerf, there just needs to be more variety.
If every stam spec and even a few mag run dbos, it is a problem. It shows there are no other viable choices.0 -
Pulque✭✭✭OK, situations most people die to DB:
1. zerg. Look, you die to zerg not DB.
2. heavy armor burst build, e.g. seventh legion + fury. You chase after these guys who keep running around a rock or a resource fort, and you think you are so good, they fear you so much, you can kill these people spamming your light attacks, until simultaneous db smash you into ash. NERF legion pls!!!! Oh it was nerfed already. NERF small group pvp pls!!!
About vigor. Forward momentum or rally has less obvious animation. When you find you can't kill a stam, you see vigor and you blame vigor for all the healing. Look at these builds. With troll king + hot pot + golden food + heavy armor, they got like 6k-8k health regen. In small group pvp, troll king + vigor offer great group healing, not vigor alone.
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prototypefb✭✭✭✭make retreating maneuver self buff only(with hefty cost reduction)and zergballs will be easier to deal with.
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StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Also vigor is overpowered because it stack with your other stam player making stamina smallscales > all because they get 10k+ heal per second just by being stacked togever.
Magicka player can't have 10k+ HoT per second just by playing normaly and it's make a difference.
Nerf vigor by diminushing the AoE HoT that give you to ally.
" it stack with your other stam player making stamina smallscales > all because they get 10k+ heal per second just by being stacked togever." You just proved yourself wrong in your own comment.
Let's do the math.
A teammate will receive around 800-1000 hp/s per vigor. Therefore you need at least 10 stamina players ALL STACKED UP to get 10k HoTs.
A magplar/magden can heal 7k-10k per cast. You only need 2-3 to heal a group of 10 players.
10 stamina players are needed to heal as much as 2-3 magplars/magden.
Tell me why vigor is overpowered.Edited by StaticWave on September 16, 2018 10:48PM2 -
VarisVaris✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »DBoS is overpowered.
It can be anim cancel to the point you can't counter it.
Dawnbreaker need to have his DOT REMOVED or at least GROUND based instead of player based.
DBoS is the best ultimate in the game because :- it's a AoE
- Undodgeable
- Cheap
- Stun
- That deal a lot of burst damage
- + 20% vs vamp and WW
- That deal a LOT of dot damage (it's a dot that stay on player so you take at least 1 dot in the burst since u need to breakfree then you take a lot more damage overtime).
- Unpreditable and invisible with cut anim.
This is far too much when you look at other ultimate.
The DoT need to go
1. Aoe - As are pretty much all ults.
2. Again as are pretty much all ults, leaps, meteor, destro ult etc..
3. It's not cheap, its more normal ult cost, same cost as leap, more expensive than soul assault etc..
4. Yes most ults stun, leap, meteor, incap.
5. It can get a nice tooltip yeah but other ults have more straight up burst dmg for cost, again leap/ incap.
6. Thats part of the downsides to using vamp/ ww don't go them?
7. Yeah but if you survive the initial burst + dot tick then you're usually fine, dots aren't as threatening when over 5s.
8. What exactly do you mean by unpredictable? Its an ult people aren't physic and you can't know when someones going to ult, though with enough experience its becomes obvious when. I can ani cancel any skill.
Here is the perfect exemple of the potatoes using a OP ability and hwo try to find excuse to that with his lack of knowledge.- Not "pretty much all ulti are AoE", Incap, Berserker Strike, Rapid fire, Soul strike, Eternal guardian and overload (AoE is never used because useless). All theze ultimate hit hard, like dawnbreaker, but are single target. Dawnbreaker is the best AoE ultimate in the game, will explain in other points.
- Most hard hitting ultimate are dodgeable, like incap, overload, berzerker strike.
- Dawnbreaker is the the cheapiest uncounterable AoE stun hard hitting ultimate. Soul assault, incap, feral guardian and overload are single target and easely counterable or telegraphed and Secluded grove is a heal. There is 20 ultimate in the game that cost more than dawnbreaker, and 3 that have the same cost (there is 29 ultimate in the game). You can't say dawnbreaker isn't cheap. This is not an opinion, this is fact.
- Meteor and leap are telegraphed and so counterble, incap is dodgeable and single target, Atro deal low AoE damage and is more expensive and soul theter is also more expensive. Dawnbreaker is the best stun ultimate.
- Incap deal less damage than dawnbreaker because of the first DoT tick being in the burst. Leap deal sligtly more burst damage but is outclassed by DBoS because it's telegraphed. Meteor on magicka build can have better tooltip but it cost far more and is telegraphed. Berzerker strike cost more and is single target. This make DBoS the best burst damage ultimate.
- DBoS is one the 4rd ulti able to deal 20% more damage to some people. It make it even better for damage.
- The DoT is powerfull, near 3k tooltip per second, it add strong pressure that keep you in execute range while you heal/shield yourself vs execute spamming. that dot also make DBoS BiS for group play because if 3 of people use it, you add 10k+ tooltip per second dot for 4s after the burst, and it's AoE huge pressure.
- DBoS can be cut anim so well you can't even see the animation, the audio cue is also very bad. A good player bait other good players, he don't use ulti when it's super obvious. No one with a half brain can die to a stamden turing around a rock and casting shalks for suddently turn with DBoS + execute. Leap, meteor, other AoE stun ultimate are telegraphed and can be very easely countered.
If every stamplayer is using DBoS it's because it's the best overall offensive ultimate in the game.
There is no ultimate in the game that deal as much damage in AoE with a stun. The damage is so good it's prefered over single target ultimate, and it's deal the best AoE damage in the game.
Dawnbreaker of Smiting is overpowered and just kills similar abilities like Leap or meteor or crescent sweep.
The versatility of the ultimate make it BiS for all stamina player and magsorc/magplar/magden hwo want unpredictable burst.
how about some of you mag classes put on a defensive set instead of running around glass cannnon damage builds and you will see the skills your complaining about will hit alot less harder0
