Nightblades are breaking PvP

max_only · September 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

The one thing I find that ruins PvP for me are health desyncs. NBs seem to always be a major factor for the times of note.

Typically it's Lethal Arrow/Focused Aim but sometimes it's Incap as well.

It's just about the only thing that makes me question the legitimacy of players. It's likely working as "intended" though.

I only get health desyncs with Dks. So it must be Fossilize that cause it.

hakan · September 2018

TiberX wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

Let me ask you then.... what are your resistances? fully buffed? Then we can compare them my nightblade?

All classes sacrifice dps to go for crit resistance because of NB's, that means they go heavy armor not to get killed in 2 sec.
guess what: NB's dont have to, they can go full damage because of cloak.
How is this fair: all pvp population has to go crit resistant and high resistances just for escaping NB's.
SOOOO what was the question again????

lol what? you think people "sacrifice" 120 weapon damage because of nbs? 1,7k ish resistance is always better than the 120 wep damage. and that is if you are in full golden. ofc people call you noob. cuz you are one!

anyway i needed salt for my breakfast right now so...nice thread.

D0PAMINE · September 2018

BigBadVolk wrote: »

People's inability to learn to play is breaking pvp

Ima quote this because it's true.

Doctordarkspawn · September 2018

PVP will never be balanced or not broken.

By it's very nature there will allways be a dominant strategy.

No more PVP balancing. Stop wasting effort on an unsolvable problem.

TheInfernalRage · September 2018

So, it appears that a LOT if not ALL CLASSES are breaking PVP?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/435438/sorcerers-and-magicka-classes-in-general-are-breaking-pvp#latest

So...

fatmanatcomp · September 2018

Nerf rocks and trees and any other los people use, pvp is more about chasing people nowadays, people have skills because they run away 🤦‍♂️

BalticBlues · September 2018

Having a magNB myself, I must confess:
magNB is by far the easiest class to play because
Cloak ist the most OP skill in PvP.
And this is the reason why Cyrodiil is flooded with NBs.

Cloak is allowing you to start and stop fights at any time.
Cloak for getting close to a fight without anybody noticing...
Being cloaked, seeing someone getting weak from a fight? Gank him.
Feel you are losing a fight? Cloak away.

No other skill is this game is allowing this - not shields, not streaks, not shards, not CCs- but all other skills get constantly nerfed. Shields once lasted 20 secs, now meagre 6secs, and the next shield nerf is incoming. Streaks once also were a counter against cloaking, then received a cost penalty to penalize Sorcs "streaking out of fights". But why is cloaking out of fights any better?

It is time that cloaking gets the same treatment as streaks:
Each time cloak is applied during a fight, it should get more costly - as streaking does.
Fair and equal treatment to ALL classes please.

D0PAMINE · September 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

PVP will never be balanced or not broken.

By it's very nature there will allways be a dominant strategy.

No more PVP balancing. Stop wasting effort on an unsolvable problem.

Well said.

BalticBlues · September 2018

D0PAMINE wrote: »

No more PVP balancing. Stop wasting effort on an unsolvable problem.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Well said.

Ok, but then first undo the former PVP balancing instead of leaving NBs OP:
- give back Sorcs, Templars and Wardens their former CC
- give back Sorcs their former Shields
- give back Sorcs their former Streaks

All former balancing made NBs OP today.
So if you want no more balancing,
first remove the massive nerfs of the other classes.

D0PAMINE · September 2018

BalticBlues wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

No more PVP balancing. Stop wasting effort on an unsolvable problem.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Well said.

Ok, but then first undo the former PVP balancing instead of leaving NBs OP:
- give back Sorcs, Templars and Wardens their former CC
- give back Sorcs their former Rune Cage
- remove the cost penalization of Streaks

All former balancing made NBs OP today.
So if you want no more balancing, first remove the nerfs of the other classes.

I agree with reverting some nerfs, however our community is still far too divided and our only real chance is the Class Rep program instead of these back and forth threads. This game is getting exhausting. I have a magicka and stamina version of each class, and im doing everything I can to ensure they're all viable at any given time for the content I enjoy.

Tommy_The_Gun · September 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

PVP will never be balanced or not broken.

By it's very nature there will allways be a dominant strategy.

No more PVP balancing. Stop wasting effort on an unsolvable problem.

It does not matter what they will change. Nerf this/that topics will always be there. They would have to remove like literally every skill & passive from this game - but even then some one would be like OMG lights attack OP ! Nerf it !

The point is - you will always have to fight against "something". If you can't adapt - you will lose. it is as simple as that.

If NB were not a class in this game then you would have to fight against something else - overload ganking sorcs, stam DKs with invisibility pots etc. The point is - it is a play style.

I for example had a incredible problem with fighting sorcs... until I tweaked my build a little & sloted purge - to break the delayed dmg combo. You should do the same if you have problems with NBs - find something that works for you.

JumpmanLane · September 2018

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

I unno, if nightblades don’t burst you down immediately out of stealth they usually end up cloaking and running and depending on my mood I’ll run them in the ground.

Sure I’ve been ganked but I’ve also 1v1ed some max cp NB’s that didn’t have the sense to disengage or just weren’t running cloak.

Ilithyania · September 2018

"Nightblades, been breaking PvP since 2014"

NBs have had their stealth nerfed already. there is many ways to counter NBs.

Vahrokh · September 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

PVP will never be balanced or not broken.

By it's very nature there will allways be a dominant strategy.

No more PVP balancing. Stop wasting effort on an unsolvable problem.

That's why decent games separate PvE skills from PvP skills.

ESO has the technical support for that (look at the abilities labels, some tell their stuff and then add "Does not work against players" and similar).
All it'd take is in example to make Crystal Frags stun and have back their damage in PvE and a different (if any) effect in PvP. Ad so on.

heng14rwb17_ESO · September 2018

NERF NB BUFF DK

Juhasow · September 2018

Problem with cloak is problem with stamblades. Magblade cannot come even close to utilize cloak in combat the way stamblades are doing it.

MajBludd · September 2018

Use detect pots, I don't get what the problem is?
As somebody else stated if you are being killed by something, you need to make some adaptations.

I play almost all classes, except magsorc, and have no problem with nbs. Sure they kill me but I'm not gonna cry and demand something is nerfed. Learn to lose, you can't win all the time and you won't in pvp.

Did you know stealth has been nerfed? Did you know stealth used to cleanse dots?
Do you know a crap ton of skills pull nbs out of stealth?

Frags got the WB treatment. WB lost the knockdown because having that with empower was too much, so they gave dizzy the knockdown and WB kept the empower.

That was a reasonable nerf. But just to change a skill to make your game play easier because you can't cope with a nb is a bit stupid.

Ask for things that are broken to be fixed. Don't whine about things to be nerfed because you seem to have a problem overcoming it.

Mage light, detect pots, run with a nb bud so he can mark them, aoes, and I'm sure a lot more unexpected or unintended skills will do it as well.

Shraar · September 2018

I am an Apprentice in Alteration Magic so don't ask me, ask @Salvas_Aren

But I think the area that is under the effect and control of Magelight should be buffed to 10 meat errs...

That also means since Radiant Magelight raid i us is doubled over Magelight, it will be 20 meat errs

Up from the number 12 to 20

That will be better, now it can do what it says it does

GreenhaloX · September 2018

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

Ha ha.. sure, NB can be a menace in the right hands, but hardly are NBs the cause. There are plethora of ways to break a NB's cloak. Any other toons can also be a menace in the right hands.. like bunny hopping ass sorcs or DK spamming wings or some of those questionable players/toons rolling around knocking out 10-15 or more others group and doing it sololy. No.. what are breaking PvP is the continuous lags, crashes, weapon skills misfiring or delays.. amongst other cheating/exploiting, bugs and glitches.

Gargath · September 2018

Just nerf a single skill of nightblade, not entire class.

Or restore the toggle for magelight for all classes but not for nightblade, plus increase radius for defensive purpose.

Or increase the Revealing Flare's "cannot return to stealth or invisibility for 3 seconds" from 3 to 10 or even 20 secs.

MajBludd · September 2018

@Gargath it's been nerfed. It used to cleanse dots. Was broken as hell for a long time and is just getting back to being useful or less unpredictable.

xxxxx !!! USE DETECT POTS !!! xxxxx

ZOS_JesC · September 2018

Greetings, we've removed a few comments that were baiting. Since this thread has derailed a few times, we have decided to close it. Thank you.