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[Video] Desert Rose on Stamden = BiS? New Stamina Warden PvP Build for Wolfshunter Patch
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.
@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute
Do you play on the competitive scene ?
You need pressure to kill people. Major defile OR/AND DoT + Light attack + spammable. You will not be able to kill good/top player with it
Yeah. But competitive PvP and 1vX or even small scale open world aren’t the same thing. They require drastically different builds on Stamden . Also the people in that scene arent getting 1vXed regardless.
You’re only proving my point sir. But I guess you think that taking your dueling build and stopping someone’s 1vX is high level play.
Show me the Stamden build that’s good 1v1 at a high level and also good open world solo.
I have been spending gold on this for a long time to have.
Look, the things you need to be a top level opponent and the things you need to kill 10 pugs just aren’t the same thing. Some classes are better than others at doing both, but Stamden is absolutely at or near the top of the list for specs that need to be drastically different for these two scenarios.0 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.
@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute
Do you play on the competitive scene ?
You need pressure to kill people. Major defile OR/AND DoT + Light attack + spammable. You will not be able to kill good/top player with it
His burst is Shalk + Dawnbreaker + Execute
The issues I see - a build like a healthden that won't die to said burst or 1vX with lack of LoS - a part from that I see him absolutely obliterating : Stam NB, No Front Shield Sorc, timed well it'll blow up a Stam sorc, light armor magplar.
Defensive builds/high mitigation would be the builds antithesis; but there's plenty of glass cannons to break
Edit: OP said as much above, I just missed it
No. It will not kill anyone competitive. Doing damage every 3s likehe does just make skilledplayer stay full HP when the burst come. Also, everyone with a halfbrain just avoid/ block shalk, especially if it's the only damage window.
Also, one of the best defense is offense. By not applying pressure like he does, he create free offensive window for the ennemy, so he will take a lot of damage since he doesn't put the ennemy on the defensive.
Smashing potatoes that cannot gear/play/heal/react proprely isn't something that should be underline, because everyone can do it.
I agree this build will not kill anyone good. Are u saying u have a better stam warden build ? Or are u saying the class is gimped in high level 1v1s?0 -
AlexTheLion✭✭✭I personally would just rather run 2 damage sets on stamden, but I think this build might be extremely nice on stam sorc I might try it.0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭AlexTheLion wrote: »I personally would just rather run 2 damage sets on stamden, but I think this build might be extremely nice on stam sorc I might try it.
2? Why not 3?0 -
AlexTheLion✭✭✭AlexTheLion wrote: »I personally would just rather run 2 damage sets on stamden, but I think this build might be extremely nice on stam sorc I might try it.
2? Why not 3?
I haven’t farmed Balorgh yet
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭AlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »I personally would just rather run 2 damage sets on stamden, but I think this build might be extremely nice on stam sorc I might try it.
2? Why not 3?
I haven’t farmed Balorgh yet
It’s so sick man, you gotta get on that. 6k WD on that burst combo is amazing0 -
AlexTheLion✭✭✭AlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »I personally would just rather run 2 damage sets on stamden, but I think this build might be extremely nice on stam sorc I might try it.
2? Why not 3?
I haven’t farmed Balorgh yet
It’s so sick man, you gotta get on that. 6k WD on that burst combo is amazing
Dungeon pretty easy? Honestly haven’t even watched anyone run it yet.0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭AlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »I personally would just rather run 2 damage sets on stamden, but I think this build might be extremely nice on stam sorc I might try it.
2? Why not 3?
I haven’t farmed Balorgh yet
It’s so sick man, you gotta get on that. 6k WD on that burst combo is amazing
Dungeon pretty easy? Honestly haven’t even watched anyone run it yet.
It’s easy if you follow the mechanics. There’s no outright DPS races(although more DPS obviously means less mechanics). I’ve run it like 8-10 times now and have cleared it with some low CP(200ish) DPS that followed instructions on the mechanics. I’ve also had some really high DPS players struggle and wipe repeatedly because they don’t follow mechanics.
It’s pretty pug friendly imo, only one of my clears was a full guild group and only one of the pugs really took a long time to get through the dungeon.Edited by Lexxypwns on September 16, 2018 2:17AM0 -
AlexTheLion✭✭✭@K3ntaaa have you considered slotting Race against time in place of Vines? It’s even more damage you can add.
I’ve honestly thought about trying deep thoughts instead of NetchAlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »I personally would just rather run 2 damage sets on stamden, but I think this build might be extremely nice on stam sorc I might try it.
2? Why not 3?
I haven’t farmed Balorgh yet
It’s so sick man, you gotta get on that. 6k WD on that burst combo is amazing
Dungeon pretty easy? Honestly haven’t even watched anyone run it yet.
It’s easy if you follow the mechanics. There’s no outright DPS races(although more DPS obviously means less mechanics). I’ve run it like 8-10 times now and have cleared it with some low CP(200ish) DPS that followed instructions on the mechanics. I’ve also had some really high DPS players struggle and wipe repeatedly because they don’t follow mechanics.
It’s pretty pug friendly imo, only one of my clears was a full guild group and only one of the pugs really took a long time to get through the dungeon.
I’ll definitely have to run it soon then0 -
Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.
@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute
Do you play on the competitive scene ?
You need pressure to kill people. Major defile OR/AND DoT + Light attack + spammable. You will not be able to kill good/top player with it
Yeah. But competitive PvP and 1vX or even small scale open world aren’t the same thing. They require drastically different builds on Stamden . Also the people in that scene arent getting 1vXed regardless.
You’re only proving my point sir. But I guess you think that taking your dueling build and stopping someone’s 1vX is high level play.
Show me the Stamden build that’s good 1v1 at a high level and also good open world solo.
A good 1vX stamden build able to solo is the offensive S&B with heroic slash + bash and reverb. Add 2h for FM and you have a build that does high damage with strong pressure with high defensive capabilities.
Dawnbreaker + Shalk + execute one shot doesn't need something special. Noobs will always die to it.
Also, I don't run a duel build
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K3ntaaa✭✭@K3ntaaa have you considered slotting Race against time in place of Vines? It’s even more damage you can add.
Sure it can be good for more damage, but dropping vines is a huge hit in your healing, sustain.
Everytime you get under 40% you get major mending instantly because he reviece a small heal everytime you take damage.
Without vines you need to continue light attack weaving to proc the Accelerated Growth passiv, which can be pretty difficult while kiting.
The same thing applies to the Nature's Gif passiv.
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weedgenius✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.
@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute
Do you play on the competitive scene ?
You need pressure to kill people. Major defile OR/AND DoT + Light attack + spammable. You will not be able to kill good/top player with it
Yeah. But competitive PvP and 1vX or even small scale open world aren’t the same thing. They require drastically different builds on Stamden . Also the people in that scene arent getting 1vXed regardless.
You’re only proving my point sir. But I guess you think that taking your dueling build and stopping someone’s 1vX is high level play.
Show me the Stamden build that’s good 1v1 at a high level and also good open world solo.
A good 1vX stamden build able to solo is the offensive S&B with heroic slash + bash and reverb. Add 2h for FM and you have a build that does high damage with strong pressure with high defensive capabilities.
Dawnbreaker + Shalk + execute one shot doesn't need something special. Noobs will always die to it.
Also, I don't run a duel build
How is that a stamden build? Those are just basic stam weapon skills.
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »I personally would just rather run 2 damage sets on stamden, but I think this build might be extremely nice on stam sorc I might try it.
2? Why not 3?
I haven’t farmed Balorgh yet
It’s so sick man, you gotta get on that. 6k WD on that burst combo is amazing
Dungeon pretty easy? Honestly haven’t even watched anyone run it yet.
It’s easy if you follow the mechanics. There’s no outright DPS races(although more DPS obviously means less mechanics). I’ve run it like 8-10 times now and have cleared it with some low CP(200ish) DPS that followed instructions on the mechanics. I’ve also had some really high DPS players struggle and wipe repeatedly because they don’t follow mechanics.
It’s pretty pug friendly imo, only one of my clears was a full guild group and only one of the pugs really took a long time to get through the dungeon.
The group I was a part of...
Totally can't blame me... I done tanked fine....
Damn it @Lexxypwns
Also gonna pop Bal on my storc0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »I personally would just rather run 2 damage sets on stamden, but I think this build might be extremely nice on stam sorc I might try it.
2? Why not 3?
I haven’t farmed Balorgh yet
It’s so sick man, you gotta get on that. 6k WD on that burst combo is amazing
Dungeon pretty easy? Honestly haven’t even watched anyone run it yet.
It’s easy if you follow the mechanics. There’s no outright DPS races(although more DPS obviously means less mechanics). I’ve run it like 8-10 times now and have cleared it with some low CP(200ish) DPS that followed instructions on the mechanics. I’ve also had some really high DPS players struggle and wipe repeatedly because they don’t follow mechanics.
It’s pretty pug friendly imo, only one of my clears was a full guild group and only one of the pugs really took a long time to get through the dungeon.
The group I was a part of...
Totally can't blame me... I done tanked fine....
Damn it @Lexxypwns
Also gonna pop Bal on my storc
I mean, we got our clear with one of our Mag DPS not running WoE, pretty certain he was in a PvP build1 -
AlexTheLion✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »AlexTheLion wrote: »I personally would just rather run 2 damage sets on stamden, but I think this build might be extremely nice on stam sorc I might try it.
2? Why not 3?
I haven’t farmed Balorgh yet
It’s so sick man, you gotta get on that. 6k WD on that burst combo is amazing
Dungeon pretty easy? Honestly haven’t even watched anyone run it yet.
It’s easy if you follow the mechanics. There’s no outright DPS races(although more DPS obviously means less mechanics). I’ve run it like 8-10 times now and have cleared it with some low CP(200ish) DPS that followed instructions on the mechanics. I’ve also had some really high DPS players struggle and wipe repeatedly because they don’t follow mechanics.
It’s pretty pug friendly imo, only one of my clears was a full guild group and only one of the pugs really took a long time to get through the dungeon.
The group I was a part of...
Totally can't blame me... I done tanked fine....
Damn it @Lexxypwns
Also gonna pop Bal on my storc
I mean, we got our clear with one of our Mag DPS not running WoE, pretty certain he was in a PvP build
Got a medium impen drop last night! Now just gotta decide what set I want to pair with it and fury0 -
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✭✭✭I'm confused as to why you would use Desert Rose?
I'm not finding it particularily useful in the build here since your only real consumption is Bird of Prey or whatever. You're better off going with 3pc Endurance and Asylum 2H/Asylum S&B.0331
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K3ntaaa✭✭I'm not finding it particularily useful in the build here since your only real consumption is Bird of Prey or whatever. You're better off going with 3pc Endurance and Asylum 2H/Asylum S&B.[/quote]
Because you if you run no magika sustain, you cant sustain 4 magika utility skills.
You cant keep up Icefortress, Green lotus, leeching vines and shimmering all the time (shimmering casted every 10s).
So either you drop leeching vines/green lotus or you invest in magika regen glyphs therefore you lose your weapon dmg glyphs.
So i made the math and you more worth to run either only ice fortress, green lotus and shimmering shield or you go desert rose and run ice fortress, green lotus, shimmering shield and bird of prey. (Im uploading the in depth guide to desert rose on stamina warden atm)
around 6% more dmg on 2 dmg sets setup vs a lot of healing and tankiness from Desert Rose setup.Edited by K3ntaaa on September 16, 2018 7:19PM0 -
HackTheMinotaur✭✭✭✭I’d love some suggestions on a stam den build. I can’t find any set up that I like to play. I think the problem is that most experienced players at this point are smart enough to avoid sub assault. That, and the fact that there are too many buffs to maintain for a stam class.
I actually like timing sub assault with invasion from 1h skill line since I can time it with the stun + gap close, then heroic slash/LA (weapon dam glyph). But the total damage output seems too low.0 -
K3ntaaa✭✭HackTheMinotaur wrote: »I’d love some suggestions on a stam den build. I can’t find any set up that I like to play. I think the problem is that most experienced players at this point are smart enough to avoid sub assault. That, and the fact that there are too many buffs to maintain for a stam class.
I actually like timing sub assault with invasion from 1h skill line since I can time it with the stun + gap close, then heroic slash/LA (weapon dam glyph). But the total damage output seems too low.
so the most common S Tier Setups are:
- Uppercut setup 2h mainbar and S&B backbar (you probably know that one)
- Low Slash + reverb S&B frontbar and 2h backbar
- Spin to win setup (Steeltornado) dualwield mainbar and 2h backbar (most squishy but most damage aswell)
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-no spammable with Bird of Prey 2h frontbar + S&B backbar.
If you try one of the non meta setups its hard to make it viable (you will need a lot of experience to know whats best for your playstyle)
Assuming you are trying to min max. If not then i cant help you since i dont know what playstyle you like :>
Edited by K3ntaaa on September 16, 2018 7:34PM0 -
The_Brosteen✭✭✭✭✭Do vines alone provide better healing than spores burst heal or is it really the vines + lotus that makes dropping spores feasible?0
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The_Brosteen wrote: »Do vines alone provide better healing than spores burst heal or is it really the vines + lotus that makes dropping spores feasible?
You only need spores to proc major mending on vigor. It’s a totally superfluous heal in most situations and it’s very very expensive. It’s ok for a burst heal for group play, but again, it’s expensive. By using Lotus and Vines he’s basically got 100% major mending uptime when he needs it as anytime he drops below 40% health one of the green balance skills will proc it almost immediately. He also gets Nature’s Gift proced more oftenEdited by Lexxypwns on September 17, 2018 1:04AM0 -
K3ntaaa✭✭Interesting idea.
I want to see more footage of it in action
check out my channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLk4pslZg9bCWQQYTJt3AbQ?view_as=subscriber
I have PvP highlight videos uploaded where you can see the desert rose setup. (if its a IC clip check my health first because i ran imperial physique sometimes so i dropped desert rose there.)0 -
Finviuswe✭✭✭✭Interesting idea.
I want to see more footage of it in action
check out my channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLk4pslZg9bCWQQYTJt3AbQ?view_as=subscriber
I have PvP highlight videos uploaded where you can see the desert rose setup. (if its a IC clip check my health first because i ran imperial physique sometimes so i dropped desert rose there.)
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mursie✭✭✭✭✭my stamden build is not typical but i find it pretty effective for bg's non-cp.
Brawler build. Thurvoken 2pc for minor maim and minor defile when u fight someone.
prisoners snb and jewels. Use bird of prey to rush in, shalks to debuff armor and reverb to apply major defile. shimmering on the bar for defense and icy fortress for resists/minor protection. thicket for ult heal
masters dw backbar. lotus for crit, spin2win for execute, netch for brutality, rend for bleed, vigor for heal, dbos for aoe execute.
body is five piece bone pirate for sustain.
you'll be able to zip around pretty clean on snb bar with 50% sprint reduction cost and restore magicka to pop bird of prey and keep your magicka buffs up. landing shalk/reverb into your target and flipping to rend / spin is alot pressure. if they stay to fight..they are also sitting in a minor defile pool.
the only issue is a susceptibility to snares. but it is a brawler build so you can just stay and fight..turtle up snb if needed and drop thicket.
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