[Video] Desert Rose on Stamden = BiS? New Stamina Warden PvP Build for Wolfshunter Patch

K3ntaaa

Welcome to my Stamina Warden PvP Build. This is what i used in the last few months and in my opinion the new BiS / Meta for Solo and Smallscale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jalhfmR7pew

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Kanar

It's great how jewelry crafting + transmutation allows use light armor sets. Adds a lot of variety because magicka recovery is def needed.

K3ntaaa

yea I totally agree with that. Thx to the new system, i checked all the existing sets multiple times and tried out new combination which weren't possible before. i love it ^^

Lexxypwns

I like the build.

Do you find that the magika is more valuable than just running MOAR DAMAGE?

Stigant

Love it ...the whole idea behind it is great ... just curious if you tried, and to what success, this build in no CP ...
Do you think replacing Fury with 7th in NoCP would work? Also replacing agility 2h with Asylum?
I'm looking for solo alternative build to my small scale Impreg/7th/Balorgh medium one and yours jusy seems so well tought trought and fun to play, but I only PvP in noCP lately.

K3ntaaa

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I like the build.

Do you find that the magika is more valuable than just running MOAR DAMAGE?

I tested 2 dmg sets aswell as bird of prey but its impossible to sustain without sacrificing to much weapon dmg for magika recovery glyphs so i think this is the most dmg possible (sustainable atleast).

K3ntaaa

Stigant wrote: »

Love it ...the whole idea behind it is great ... just curious if you tried, and to what success, this build in no CP ...
Do you think replacing Fury with 7th in NoCP would work? Also replacing agility 2h with Asylum?
I'm looking for solo alternative build to my small scale Impreg/7th/Balorgh medium one and yours jusy seems so well tought trought and fun to play, but I only PvP in noCP lately.

I play the same build in battlegrounds and it works just fine. i didnt try no cp open world so i cant comment on that one. Fury or 7th both do almost the same thing. Fury is just a bit more raw dmg but you can stack it pretty quick when in combat. its more about preference but yes 7th will work in no cp aswell (battleground atleast). When im running Solo i prefer Agility for the bigger Vigor ticks even if im a lot on my backbar. In a small ground Asylum is better since you dont really need the little bit bigger vigor ticks. Next patch, when they add a 1 piece bonus to the asylum weapons (not confirmed) Asylum will be BiS.

Koolio

K3ntaaa wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I like the build.

Do you find that the magika is more valuable than just running MOAR DAMAGE?

I tested 2 dmg sets aswell as bird of prey but its impossible to sustain without sacrificing to much weapon dmg for magika recovery glyphs so i think this is the most dmg possible (sustainable atleast).

Have you tried prisoners as well. Just curious.

Waffennacht

At work do can't watch ATM, whatcha using all that mag for?

Lexxypwns

K3ntaaa wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I like the build.

Do you find that the magika is more valuable than just running MOAR DAMAGE?

I tested 2 dmg sets aswell as bird of prey but its impossible to sustain without sacrificing to much weapon dmg for magika recovery glyphs so i think this is the most dmg possible (sustainable atleast).

I think its a good build

Jjitsuboy98

Cool build. I enjoy warden. Do you have problems when you run into certain classes in a 1v1?

DemonDruaga

Nice one, makes me want to play my dk less and to dust of my warden x)

K3ntaaa

Koolio wrote: »

K3ntaaa wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I like the build.

Do you find that the magika is more valuable than just running MOAR DAMAGE?

I tested 2 dmg sets aswell as bird of prey but its impossible to sustain without sacrificing to much weapon dmg for magika recovery glyphs so i think this is the most dmg possible (sustainable atleast).

Have you tried prisoners as well. Just curious.

yes I did and i found it mediocre. Since this patch they changed the fact that you could generate magika by just pressing shift without actually running but now you cant chees the magika regen anymore. And that you are forced to sprint to be able to sustain feels sometimes unnatural :>

K3ntaaa

Waffennacht wrote: »

At work do can't watch ATM, whatcha using all that mag for?

Most of the wardens have 3 magika utility skills:
Ice fortress, Shimmering shield and either Greenlotus or Leeching vines.

In this build i tried 5 utility skills:
Ice fortress, Shimmering shield, Greenlotus, Leeching vines and bird of prey (at every offensiv turn)

To be able to sustain all these magika skills i need heavy magika regen and i found Desert rose to be the best magika sustain set/method on a stamina warden

K3ntaaa

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Cool build. I enjoy warden. Do you have problems when you run into certain classes in a 1v1?

Yes it lacks consistant pressure. This build is all about the 1 shot. So in a 1vs1 scenario if your enemy is in heavy with 28k+ health you either pray to RNG to crit every ability in your burst or hope he makes a mistake.

But yes 1vs1 against other good players in rather tanky setups is going to be a draw 90% of the time.
(the good thing is, he cant really kill you aswell, since the healing from green lotus and vines combined is insane)

Some matchups for example:
Magplar: You will need to 1 hit them cleanly else they will breath of life to full again instatly (no defile in the build)
Magdk: A Permablocking Dk is a hardcounter. You cant burst him through block so you have to find a good timing when he drops block (while barswap or player missplay)
Stamblade: Hardest matchup in my opinion. They can pressure you hard enough to force you into a defensive playstyle (almost the only class that can do that) after you get hit by incap but if they dont pay attention, you should be able to 1 shot them.

If you prefer to have more singel target pressure, I would swap out Netch for low slash. The Damage is good, the slow makes it easier to hit your burst and the ult regen really good. But in return, your sustain drops which can be problematic when you try to fight 4+ enemies alone.

Aedaryl

So, this is a build only made to kill potatoes.

So, this is a build that's can't kill a decent good player.

So, this is a build uneffective VS the tanky damage meta.

So, this is a bad build.

Jjitsuboy98

Aedaryl wrote: »

So, this is a build only made to kill potatoes.

So, this is a build that's can't kill a decent good player.

So, this is a build uneffective VS the tanky damage meta.

So, this is a bad build.

That's the issue I have with stamdens. U can kite a group of bad players better than anything. Burst them down better than any class....have good group utility, .but I have a lot of 1v1 action in cyrodil as a solo player show up alot against good players and classes that counter stamden.

My last build with stamden was a dual wield build using blood craze, and bleeds. I even tried vamp for a cc. It was better but anyone with swift or anyone that can block will make a Wardens burst combo ineffective.

K3ntaaa

Aedaryl wrote: »

So, this is a build only made to kill potatoes.

So, this is a build that's can't kill a decent good player.

So, this is a build uneffective VS the tanky damage meta.

So, this is a bad build.

isnt every 1vX build like this?

Stigant

Aedaryl wrote: »

So, this is a build only made to kill potatoes.

So, this is a build that's can't kill a decent good player.

So, this is a build uneffective VS the tanky damage meta.

So, this is a bad build.

Hehe... well obviously there is still enough potatoes to run into to make this build worthwhile and have fun with it

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

So, this is a build only made to kill potatoes.

So, this is a build that's can't kill a decent good player.

So, this is a build uneffective VS the tanky damage meta.

So, this is a bad build.

That's the issue I have with stamdens. U can kite a group of bad players better than anything. Burst them down better than any class....have good group utility, .but I have a lot of 1v1 action in cyrodil as a solo player show up alot against good players and classes that counter stamden.

My last build with stamden was a dual wield build using blood craze, and bleeds. I even tried vamp for a cc. It was better but anyone with swift or anyone that can block will make a Wardens burst combo ineffective.

Warden really shines in small group setups as BGs or small scale group of 4-8 people in Cyrodiil ... that's the times I have most fun playing it...
people claim he's strong in duels but I don't duel im this game, so I can't comment on that

Arthg

Aedaryl wrote: »

So, this is a build only made to kill potatoes.

So, this is a build that's can't kill a decent good player.

So, this is a build uneffective VS the tanky damage meta.

So, this is a bad build.

So, this is harsh.

So, off-meta builds are often fun to play.

So, they're also great sources of inspiration - not to mention achievement.

So, thanks OP!

Adenoma

Warden struggles a lot with targeting in the swift meta. It’s super fun for potato mashing in small group or solo as a pseudo bomber with swift, fury, veiled heritance, and balorgh where you just kite, keep proccing shimmering shield and light attack ult gen, and then drop it with a spin2win, but I’ve found it unsatisfactory against good players, especially stamina (and somewhat weak against stamblade). That said, it’s super easy to not die against a lot of players where you just rely on superb heals and chain tree ults while rolling vigor.

I’ve swapped to playing a stamblade with bleeds and it’s still been hard to take down wardens that are dedicated to explicitly not dying. All it takes is swift and some LOS to recharge resources, get off some heavies, and build to another tree ult.

Aedaryl

Arthg wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

So, this is a build only made to kill potatoes.

So, this is a build that's can't kill a decent good player.

So, this is a build uneffective VS the tanky damage meta.

So, this is a bad build.

So, this is harsh.

So, off-meta builds are often fun to play.

So, they're also great sources of inspiration - not to mention achievement.

So, thanks OP!

You can make, off meta build works, but there is things you need to take in count. Ressource managment, PRESSURE, burst, enough defense OR escape, ...


A off meta build isn't a meta build where you remove your spammable. A off-meta build is something completly different but that work, because you still have the essentials, not working like usual, but still working.

Avnr

Remove dawnbreaker and most stam classes useless
That thing hit so hard

Lexxypwns

@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.

@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute

Aedaryl

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.

@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute

Do you play on the competitive scene ?

You need pressure to kill people. Major defile OR/AND DoT + Light attack + spammable. You will not be able to kill good/top player with it

Waffennacht

Aedaryl wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.

@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute

Do you play on the competitive scene ?

You need pressure to kill people. Major defile OR/AND DoT + Light attack + spammable. You will not be able to kill good/top player with it

His burst is Shalk + Dawnbreaker + Execute

The issues I see - a build like a healthden that won't die to said burst or 1vX with lack of LoS - a part from that I see him absolutely obliterating : Stam NB, No Front Shield Sorc, timed well it'll blow up a Stam sorc, light armor magplar.

Defensive builds/high mitigation would be the builds antithesis; but there's plenty of glass cannons to break

Edit: OP said as much above, I just missed it

Aedaryl

Waffennacht wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.

@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute

Do you play on the competitive scene ?

You need pressure to kill people. Major defile OR/AND DoT + Light attack + spammable. You will not be able to kill good/top player with it

His burst is Shalk + Dawnbreaker + Execute

The issues I see - a build like a healthden that won't die to said burst or 1vX with lack of LoS - a part from that I see him absolutely obliterating : Stam NB, No Front Shield Sorc, timed well it'll blow up a Stam sorc, light armor magplar.

Defensive builds/high mitigation would be the builds antithesis; but there's plenty of glass cannons to break

Edit: OP said as much above, I just missed it

No. It will not kill anyone competitive. Doing damage every 3s likehe does just make skilledplayer stay full HP when the burst come. Also, everyone with a halfbrain just avoid/ block shalk, especially if it's the only damage window.

Also, one of the best defense is offense. By not applying pressure like he does, he create free offensive window for the ennemy, so he will take a lot of damage since he doesn't put the ennemy on the defensive.

Smashing potatoes that cannot gear/play/heal/react proprely isn't something that should be underline, because everyone can do it.

Waffennacht

Aedaryl wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.

@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute

Do you play on the competitive scene ?

You need pressure to kill people. Major defile OR/AND DoT + Light attack + spammable. You will not be able to kill good/top player with it

His burst is Shalk + Dawnbreaker + Execute

The issues I see - a build like a healthden that won't die to said burst or 1vX with lack of LoS - a part from that I see him absolutely obliterating : Stam NB, No Front Shield Sorc, timed well it'll blow up a Stam sorc, light armor magplar.

Defensive builds/high mitigation would be the builds antithesis; but there's plenty of glass cannons to break

Edit: OP said as much above, I just missed it

No. It will not kill anyone competitive. Doing damage every 3s likehe does just make skilledplayer stay full HP when the burst come. Also, everyone with a halfbrain just avoid/ block shalk, especially if it's the only damage window.

Also, one of the best defense is offense. By not applying pressure like he does, he create free offensive window for the ennemy, so he will take a lot of damage since he doesn't put the ennemy on the defensive.

Smashing potatoes that cannot gear/play/heal/react proprely isn't something that should be underline, because everyone can do it

Well the damage from shalk is unblockable last time I checked.

I do agree a build that doesn't die to the burst shouldn't die to the build - I said as much.

I do not believe that our interpretation of success is the same. You don't need to be able to kill everyone/everything to be successful imo.

Lexxypwns

Aedaryl wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.

@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute

Do you play on the competitive scene ?

You need pressure to kill people. Major defile OR/AND DoT + Light attack + spammable. You will not be able to kill good/top player with it

Yeah. But competitive PvP and 1vX or even small scale open world aren’t the same thing. They require drastically different builds on Stamden . Also the people in that scene arent getting 1vXed regardless.

You’re only proving my point sir. But I guess you think that taking your dueling build and stopping someone’s 1vX is high level play.

Show me the Stamden build that’s good 1v1 at a high level and also good open world solo.

Jjitsuboy98

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.

@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute

Do you play on the competitive scene ?

You need pressure to kill people. Major defile OR/AND DoT + Light attack + spammable. You will not be able to kill good/top player with it

Yeah. But competitive PvP and 1vX or even small scale open world aren’t the same thing. They require drastically different builds on Stamden . Also the people in that scene arent getting 1vXed regardless.

You’re only proving my point sir. But I guess you think that taking your dueling build and stopping someone’s 1vX is high level play.

Show me the Stamden build that’s good 1v1 at a high level and also good open world solo.

I have been spending gold on this for a long time to have.

Jjitsuboy98

Waffennacht wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Aedaryl have you played stam warden 1vX much? You actually don’t build for pressure at all, at most you’ve got Rending+axe bleed for pressure.

@K3ntaaa have you tried using Crushing Weapons as a spammable? You can time it to hit with Sub+DB and give you a bit more ST. Depending how the fights I’m getting are I sometimes sub it in for Evil Hunter on my front bar(I use the same setup as you but slot evil hunter front bar and BoP back bar with 3x damage sets). It’s not perfect but you catch a lot of people with it and can also hold it until after the Burst and time it Reverse Slice to drop an opponent that has a bit too much health to execute

Do you play on the competitive scene ?

You need pressure to kill people. Major defile OR/AND DoT + Light attack + spammable. You will not be able to kill good/top player with it

His burst is Shalk + Dawnbreaker + Execute

The issues I see - a build like a healthden that won't die to said burst or 1vX with lack of LoS - a part from that I see him absolutely obliterating : Stam NB, No Front Shield Sorc, timed well it'll blow up a Stam sorc, light armor magplar.

Defensive builds/high mitigation would be the builds antithesis; but there's plenty of glass cannons to break

Edit: OP said as much above, I just missed it

No. It will not kill anyone competitive. Doing damage every 3s likehe does just make skilledplayer stay full HP when the burst come. Also, everyone with a halfbrain just avoid/ block shalk, especially if it's the only damage window.

Also, one of the best defense is offense. By not applying pressure like he does, he create free offensive window for the ennemy, so he will take a lot of damage since he doesn't put the ennemy on the defensive.

Smashing potatoes that cannot gear/play/heal/react proprely isn't something that should be underline, because everyone can do it

Well the damage from shalk is unblockable last time I checked.

I do agree a build that doesn't die to the burst shouldn't die to the build - I said as much.

I do not believe that our interpretation of success is the same. You don't need to be able to kill everyone/everything to be successful imo.

Interesting is what u just said. I feel like I need to kill everyone on a 1v1 personally. I feel most comfortable doing that on Magicka DK or Stam DK. However lately I have been playing a Stam sorcerer build with fury and hulking. Absolutely dropping noobs with steel tornado and Dawn breaker. But I come across more 1v1 good players and stalemate with him. I feel like PC players can get more clips vs newbies. Console I'm not even pop locked on my server on a Saturday night. Same old names.