What criteria do you use to determine skilled healer?

Tasear · September 2018

Just curious what people think is important for Healer?

Rungar · September 2018

10k+ dps and no one dies (one shots excepted)

Royaji · September 2018

How often do I have to reach for GDB. For now I've only met a couple of healers with whom I was able to replace it with another support skill.

LtBottle · September 2018

1-keep players alive
2-keep the more buffs up they can
3-(when on a vocal) lead the dds so they stay in their range

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · September 2018

Royaji wrote: »

How often do I have to reach for GDB. For now I've only met a couple of healers with whom I was able to replace it with another support skill.

I keep gdb up all the time, 20% more healing received, yes please.

Liofa · September 2018

The amount of Orbs, Combat Prayer and good reaction time on flash heals. That's literally all I want from a healer. I don't want Springs, if I see Springs at the top of my Healing Received, it's obvious that the healer is wasting their time overhealing unnecessarily. I wanna see Orbs at the top, followed by Combat Prayer, followed by Mutagen. That's all the healing you need to do as a healer and fast flash heals when necessary.

Royaji · September 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

How often do I have to reach for GDB. For now I've only met a couple of healers with whom I was able to replace it with another support skill.

I keep gdb up all the time, 20% more healing received, yes please.

That's fair enough but I was talking about reaching for GDB as an emergency heal. Overhealing is common enough and I do not feel like I need minor vitality (which is actually 8% and not 20%) for most content.

FrancisCrawford · September 2018

Liofa wrote: »

The amount of Orbs, Combat Prayer and good reaction time on flash heals. That's literally all I want from a healer. I don't want Springs, if I see Springs at the top of my Healing Received, it's obvious that the healer is wasting their time overhealing unnecessarily. I wanna see Orbs at the top, followed by Combat Prayer, followed by Mutagen. That's all the healing you need to do as a healer and fast flash heals when necessary.

I'm a skeptic about Combat Prayer in dungeons.

It gives 8 seconds of Minor Berserk to non-nightblades who are in its path, which is a 5%+ boost to DPS for 8 seconds, which is something less than 1/2 second of DPS. So if it hits the whole team and they're not nightblades, it's reasonably worth the GCD but not necessarily worth the magicka. Are the heals or resistances that important?

Liofa · September 2018

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I'm a skeptic about Combat Prayer in dungeons.

It gives 8 seconds of Minor Berserk to non-nightblades who are in its path, which is a 5%+ boost to DPS for 8 seconds, which is something less than 1/2 second of DPS. So if it hits the whole team and they're not nightblades, it's reasonably worth the GCD but not necessarily worth the magicka. Are the heals or resistances that important?

I use Asylum Resto on my healer so I use it as much as I can. It's also amazing burst heal and gives resistances. It basically allows me to spam anything I want thanks to 30% Cost Reduction. It applies to Orbs as well.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · September 2018

Royaji wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

How often do I have to reach for GDB. For now I've only met a couple of healers with whom I was able to replace it with another support skill.

I keep gdb up all the time, 20% more healing received, yes please.

That's fair enough but I was talking about reaching for GDB as an emergency heal. Overhealing is common enough and I do not feel like I need minor vitality (which is actually 8% and not 20%) for most content.

i dont use Volatile Armor, i use Immovable Brute, so i dont have the passive 12% from Burning Heart. so it is 20% for me.

TheNightflame · September 2018

i wish people could see healer combat metrics on console

Tasear · September 2018

TheNightflame wrote: »

i wish people could see healer combat metrics on console

How would you use it if it existed?

TheNightflame · September 2018

everyone sees orbs, but evaluating a healer's buff uptime, lightning blockade uptime and glyph procs, maybe avg time to burst heal someone who's about to die? where most of their healing is coming from, (springs vs orbs etc) things like that

Reverb · September 2018

Liofa wrote: »

The amount of Orbs, Combat Prayer and good reaction time on flash heals. That's literally all I want from a healer. I don't want Springs, if I see Springs at the top of my Healing Received, it's obvious that the healer is wasting their time overhealing unnecessarily. I wanna see Orbs at the top, followed by Combat Prayer, followed by Mutagen. That's all the healing you need to do as a healer and fast flash heals when necessary.

Agree with this. If I have resorted to slotting Springs, it's because things have gone very, very wrong (or I'm drunk and lazy).

Silver_Strider · September 2018

If they kept me alive, that's all that matters.

Liofa wrote: »

The amount of Orbs, Combat Prayer and good reaction time on flash heals. That's literally all I want from a healer. I don't want Springs, if I see Springs at the top of my Healing Received, it's obvious that the healer is wasting their time overhealing unnecessarily. I wanna see Orbs at the top, followed by Combat Prayer, followed by Mutagen. That's all the healing you need to do as a healer and fast flash heals when necessary.

What if they're using the Master Resto and/or using Olorime and utilize Springs for placing the buff in a more reliable spot for DPS to grab?

TheNightflame · September 2018

personally i only use master resto in content where people need to dodge regilarly and mag users might not be able to keep up with it (or if the tank asks for it), otherwise orbs are more than enough (especially more orbs from the asylum resto). olorime i like controlling the proc from shards on my back bar but that's just me

Silver_Strider · September 2018

TheNightflame wrote: »

personally i only use master resto in content where people need to dodge regilarly and mag users might not be able to keep up with it (or if the tank asks for it), otherwise orbs are more than enough (especially more orbs from the asylum resto). olorime i like controlling the proc from shards on my back bar but that's just me

Let's pretend I'm a Warden Healer and don't have shards for Olorime

lassitershawn · September 2018

Lots of orbs, warhorn as ult, sane olo placement, good uptimes on things like vuln/magickasteal, good cprayer if necessary are what make a good healer imo.

Mister_DMC · September 2018

Agree with Liofa good buff times, preventative healing, knows mechanics.

SienneYviete · September 2018

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If they kept me alive, that's all that ma

Liofa wrote: »

The amount of Orbs, Combat Prayer and good reaction time on flash heals. That's literally all I want from a healer. I don't want Springs, if I see Springs at the top of my Healing Received, it's obvious that the healer is wasting their time overhealing unnecessarily. I wanna see Orbs at the top, followed by Combat Prayer, followed by Mutagen. That's all the healing you need to do as a healer and fast flash heals when necessary.

What if they're using the Master Resto and/or using Olorime and utilize Springs for placing the buff in a more reliable spot for DPS to grab?

Even if they're using springs to proc olireme, which isn't the ideal way of using that set, you're better off with a lightning staff and use luminous shards to keep your resto slot open for an asylum resto, you still wouldn't spam springs to proc it, it's got a cool down. Personally I look at prayer uptime, minor courage uptime, how often they're throwing shards and orbs and ele drain and\or power of the light uptime if they're a templar.

raj72616a · September 2018

if i see earthgore proc then i know the healer is competent.
that means they are skilled enough to complete vet dlc dungeons.

Wing · September 2018

if you don't notice the healer.

what I mean by that is if everyone stays alive, and is healed to the point of not worrying about needing heals and just gets through the dungeon with no fuss or worry, then its a good healer.

how they accomplish this task is up to them, as long as its accomplished.

Tasear · September 2018

Wing wrote: »

if you don't notice the healer.

what I mean by that is if everyone stays alive, and is healed to the point of not worrying about needing heals and just gets through the dungeon with no fuss or worry, then its a good healer.

how they accomplish this task is up to them, as long as its accomplished.

Interesting perspective

Erraln · September 2018

If I can count on my health bar being refilled within three seconds after the most recent unavoidable damage, they're doing alright.

Not an experience I often have.

FrancisCrawford · September 2018

Why the focus on lots and lots of orbs? Doesn't the synergy have a 20-second cooldown for each customer?

Kel · September 2018

Erraln wrote: »

If I can count on my health bar being refilled within three seconds after the most recent unavoidable damage, they're doing alright.

Not an experience I often have.

This is because healers in ESO are told to be a buff machine first and a healer second.
This is why as a console healer, I'm thankful combat metrics are not a thing. Because now I'm thanked for actually doing my job and keeping players alive, where if combat metrics existed on console, I'd be told I'm a crap healer because for me it's heal first, combat prayer second.
No complaints so far. Healed for Despotic and King of Gamez (known PvP ps4 players) when they ran vet dungeons for Undaunted in one of Despotic's streams and was constantly thanked.
Anytime I run vet dungeons, I'm thanked.
I play a healer to heal. As obvious as that sounds, alot of players seem to take issue with that. Buffs do come from me, of course they do. But my playstyle isn't meta. And even though it's working for me, it's looked down upon. Some will even say it's selfish. Only time in gaming as a healer I've been called selfish for healing other people is in ESO.

This game is strange sometimes.

Edit for spelling and clarity

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · September 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

If I can count on my health bar being refilled within three seconds after the most recent unavoidable damage, they're doing alright.

Not an experience I often have.

This is because healers in ESO are told to be a buff machine first and a healer second.
This is why as a console healer, I'm thankful combat metrics are not a thing. Because now I'm thanked for actually doing my job and keeping players alive, where if combat metrics existed on console, I'd be told I'm a crap healer because for me it's heal first, combat prayer second.
No complaints so far. Healed for Despotic and King of Gamez (known PvP ps4 players) when they ran vet dungeons for Undaunted in one of Despotic's streams and was constantly thanked.
Anytime I run vet dungeons, I'm thanked.
I play a healer to heal. As obvious as that sounds, alot of players seem to take issue with that. Buffs do come from me, of course they do. But my playstyle isn't meta. And even though it's working for me, it's looked down upon. Some will even say it's selfish. Only time in gaming as a healer I've been called selfish for healing other people is in ESO.

This game is strange sometimes.

Edit for spelling and clarity

What does your build look like if you think hitting people with combat prayer is not healing them?

Kel · September 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

If I can count on my health bar being refilled within three seconds after the most recent unavoidable damage, they're doing alright.

Not an experience I often have.

This is because healers in ESO are told to be a buff machine first and a healer second.
This is why as a console healer, I'm thankful combat metrics are not a thing. Because now I'm thanked for actually doing my job and keeping players alive, where if combat metrics existed on console, I'd be told I'm a crap healer because for me it's heal first, combat prayer second.
No complaints so far. Healed for Despotic and King of Gamez (known PvP ps4 players) when they ran vet dungeons for Undaunted in one of Despotic's streams and was constantly thanked.
Anytime I run vet dungeons, I'm thanked.
I play a healer to heal. As obvious as that sounds, alot of players seem to take issue with that. Buffs do come from me, of course they do. But my playstyle isn't meta. And even though it's working for me, it's looked down upon. Some will even say it's selfish. Only time in gaming as a healer I've been called selfish for healing other people is in ESO.

This game is strange sometimes.

Edit for spelling and clarity

What does your build look like if you think hitting people with combat prayer is not healing them?

^
See.
Yes, I know combat prayer heals. If you think that would keep someone alive solely I'd question that. The reference was to seeing it before other heals, I'm guessing because of the buff attached. Ive seen healers only run orbs and prayer, and had nothing else when things got dicey, because damage/buffs/heal is looked at as the correct way to heal in this game. Up in this thread, it's used as the go to buff, so i used that as an example, and it goes back to the conversation in the healers discord about how to make healing relevant. There, the healers were talking about how buffing was more important than healing.
But thank you for proving how quick players are to jump on any idea that they think isn't what it should be.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · September 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

If I can count on my health bar being refilled within three seconds after the most recent unavoidable damage, they're doing alright.o

Not an experience I often have.

This is because healers in ESO are told to be a buff machine first and a healer second.
This is why as a console healer, I'm thankful combat metrics are not a thing. Because now I'm thanked for actually doing my job and keeping players alive, where if combat metrics existed on console, I'd be told I'm a crap healer because for me it's heal first, combat prayer second.
No complaints so far. Healed for Despotic and King of Gamez (known PvP ps4 players) when they ran vet dungeons for Undaunted in one of Despotic's streams and was constantly thanked.
Anytime I run vet dungeons, I'm thanked.
I play a healer to heal. As obvious as that sounds, alot of players seem to take issue with that. Buffs do come from me, of course they do. But my playstyle isn't meta. And even though it's working for me, it's looked down upon. Some will even say it's selfish. Only time in gaming as a healer I've been called selfish for healing other people is in ESO.

This game is strange sometimes.

Edit for spelling and clarity

What does your build look like if you think hitting people with combat prayer is not healing them?

^
See.
Yes, I know combat prayer heals. If you think that would keep someone alive solely I'd question that. The reference was to seeing it before other heals, I'm guessing because of the buff attached. Ive seen healers only run orbs and prayer, and had nothing else when things got dicey, because damage/buffs/heal is looked at as the correct way to heal in this game. Up in this thread, it's used as the go to buff, so i used that as an example, and it goes back to the conversation in the healers discord about how to make healing relevant. There, the healers were talking about how buffing was more important than healing.
But thank you for proving how quick players are to jump on any idea that they think isn't what it should be.

You are a funny guy. I was seriously asking. Yes, you can heal with just combat prayer. My combat prayer heals for 10k, non crits, more then enough for a burst heal. It just takes a little situational awareness. I main a templar healer, I have 75 played days on him, I have honor the dead on my bar and if I have to use it at all, something is terribly wrong with the run. if you dont think using combat prayer counts as healing, the way your op implys, you need to explain what "healing" is. I asked for your build. You have a long post not explaining anything related to what I was asking.

raj72616a · September 2018

on PC we even have an addon that display whether combat prayer is up (for yourself and for the rest of the group) at real time, so we don't have to check combat metrics after the fight.

tho i only enable that addon on my healer. on my other characters, that does not concern me.

Soris · September 2018

[Pvp-wise] being the light beacon of your group, rushing in fight, taking all the aggro, staying alive and keeping everyone alive while looking like a badass motherfucher.