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Dawnbreaker & Vigor needs looking at.

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Moosey27
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the AOE effect on dawnbreaker needs to go away. Maybe make it single target. It would balance the stam and Mag classes and not have a stamina zerg going that can't be stopped. There is no negate for stamina. Same with vigor get rid of the aoe. You have over powered stamina with just those 2 abilities.
  • Apoxsee
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    Negate doesn’t allow ultimates soooo...
  • MashmalloMan
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    This game should not be balanced around zerg's as it's primary concern. Anytime you get 30 people together with aoe skills they're op. The skills are fine. They removed aoe cap's for a reason.
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  • leepalmer95
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    Yes nerfs most stamina builds only dmg ult.

    1 Magplar heal bot is worse than 6 guys keeping vigor up.

    Any zerg dropping ults = dead.
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  • ak_pvp
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    Oh no.
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  • Lexxypwns
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    Stam is a bit strong, but it’s the mobility that makes it so not these two abilities
    Edited by Lexxypwns on September 14, 2018 7:54PM
  • Koolio
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    They did look at vigor during morrowind and increased the cost by 30%
  • Drakkdjinn
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Stam is a bit strong, but it’s the mobility that makes it so not these two abilities

    This^. This is actually what you’re thread shoulda been titled OP.
  • Ragnarock41
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    Stamina is a bit too strong right now, but not for vigor/dbos, but because of swift+FM, and bleeds in general.
    Edited by Ragnarock41 on September 14, 2018 8:42PM
  • crazy_catman21
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  • Asmael
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    Vigor OP? That's a joke? It's at most 30% of my healing if I am focusing solely on defense, between 10 and 20% for most fights.

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  • _Ahala_
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    No, nerfing the only good stam aoe ult and on demand heal will not fix zergs... that will just push more people into zergs
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  • Solariken
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    I think Vigor is in a good spot since they increased the cost, I don't see any issues there currently.

    Dawnbreaker of Smiting is too strong IMO, I've been saying for a long time that it should lose the stun which is what makes it so over-the-top nasty. Then it would be in a good place - you have Flawless for more passive dmg boost and Smiting for more on-demand burst dmg.
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  • Jjitsuboy98
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    Moosey27 wrote: »
    the AOE effect on dawnbreaker needs to go away. Maybe make it single target. It would balance the stam and Mag classes and not have a stamina zerg going that can't be stopped. There is no negate for stamina. Same with vigor get rid of the aoe. You have over powered stamina with just those 2 abilities.

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  • MajBludd
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    I was killed by DB so nerf it thread
  • FloppyTouch
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    I got rid of vamp now DB tickles me. Best change I made to my dk
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    Against mobility: Gapcloser
    Against forward momentum: CCs
    against bleeds: cloak, HoT, shields

    Theres a counter 4 everything
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  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    The only thing which is op is DBoS which needs a cost increase or something, the rest is fine as it is..
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  • CyrusArya
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    You can nerf DBoS when every stam spec has a class ulti that’s on par with incap.
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  • Finviuswe
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    Mangeli200194 wrote: »
    Against mobility: Gapcloser
    Against forward momentum: CCs
    against bleeds: cloak, HoT, shields

    Theres a counter 4 everything

    Against DBoS: Block

    That's it. That's all you have to do. You block it. You just don't let it hit you straight on without blocking or dodging. And it's already a very expensive ulti.

    If it killing you were unavoidable, other ultis would have killed you as well.

    So, in sum, "Me die from it" ≠ Must be nerfed.
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    @ESO_GOD Agreed..... Shure Dbos is nasty if stacked but so are other ults: deestro ult, soul teather, meteor, permafrost, etc
    By themselves non of them r op.....
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  • Joy_Division
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    Moosey27 wrote: »
    the AOE effect on dawnbreaker needs to go away. Maybe make it single target. It would balance the stam and Mag classes and not have a stamina zerg going that can't be stopped. There is no negate for stamina. Same with vigor get rid of the aoe. You have over powered stamina with just those 2 abilities.

    I suppose you'd be totally cool when ZOS feels it has to nerf your magicka class to counterbalance gutting two key stam abilities.
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  • Lasinagol
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    Dawnbreaker is always in my deathcap when fighting a stam person with a brain, but it isn't the only reason I die. Usually it isn't being able to mitigate bursts or perma stunned with cc stacking.

    That said...it would be nice to have some sort of negate stamina option and not be singled out for being a magicka purist. Warden's fungal growth becomes a stam heal, the cliff racer could use a muzzle in a bubble...
    Edited by Lasinagol on September 15, 2018 9:40AM
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  • olsborg
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    im all for taking away the aoe from vigor, dawnbreaker is too good compared to a plethura of the other stamulties, but pls dont nerf it..id rather see a buff to the other ulties

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  • Kel
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    Can we stop with the #nerfeverythingtotheground movement in these forums.
    Seriously, what's going to be left of this game? It's going the route where everything will be unkillable because everyone wants damage reduced.

    FFS
  • Feanor
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    The only issue Dawnbreaker has is that it can be animation canceled to the point you almost don’t see it at all. Especially when it’s laggy.
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  • Lasinagol
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    What about absorption feild negating stamina instead of healing and leavinh magicka alone, and making suppression feild target magicka, with both disabling ulti's? OFC, reduce how long they are up...
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  • Aedaryl
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    DBoS is overpowered.

    It can be anim cancel to the point you can't counter it.

    Dawnbreaker need to have his DOT REMOVED or at least GROUND based instead of player based.

    DBoS is the best ultimate in the game because :
    1. it's a AoE
    2. Undodgeable
    3. Cheap
    4. Stun
    5. That deal a lot of burst damage
    6. + 20% vs vamp and WW
    7. That deal a LOT of dot damage (it's a dot that stay on player so you take at least 1 dot in the burst since u need to breakfree then you take a lot more damage overtime).
    8. Unpreditable and invisible with cut anim.

    This is far too much when you look at other ultimate.

    The DoT need to go :neutral:
  • Aedaryl
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    Also vigor is overpowered because it stack with your other stam player making stamina smallscales > all because they get 10k+ heal per second just by being stacked togever.

    Magicka player can't have 10k+ HoT per second just by playing normaly and it's make a difference.

    Nerf vigor by diminushing the AoE HoT that give you to ally.
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