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Zerg vs Skirmish...learn the difference
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✭MetalHead4x4 wrote: »I get a lot of funny tells from these ball zerg groups, basically denying that they are a "zerg". Yet they'll take a group of say 14 people, and attack me by myself. To me, thats a zerg. So when I send them a tell like "Hey here's an idea, take your whole force and attack one guy" and get a reply like "pick your fights". Ok? Other times I hear "You have more people than us, and WE'RE the zerg?" YES. YES YOU ARE. Why? Your tactics. When your whole group charges into a bunch of uncoordinated pugs dropping all your ults, it's a zerg tactic. When you are coordinated and have designated roles for certain people, you're a zerg if you use said tactics. Pugs are not zergs, pugs are not coordinating, pugs skirmish.
When you have a bunch of individual, uncoordinated guys/gals surrounding a zerg ball (using zerg tactics) trying to pick off one or two from the back etc. thats called skirmishing.
skir·mish
noun
1.an episode of irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying parts of armies or fleets.
zerg
1. Zerg is a slang term for a group of low-level gamers who depend on overwhelming numbers to achieve victory, rather than relying on technique or strategy. The term is most often used in the context of online role-playing and strategy games, but it also applies to multiplayer first-person shooters. Gamers essentially team up and agree to attack a specific opponent at the same time. By forming a zerg, the gamers can usually kill an enemy while taking general – but not fatal – damage as a group. This strategy itself is known as zerging.
There's a difference. Don't deny what you are, and don't think because you're surrounded by greater numbers trying to pick off individual guys/gals in your group makes us a zerg. It doesn't. Now, if we gather, coordinate, and zerg you, then yes we are a zerg. But wiping you with a well placed Negate and then killing you individually is not the same as what you do.
You're a ZERG. :P
No its called dont fight a huge group when your outnumbered, let alone you should know better by now people will Ult dump you, regardless if it's two or three of you. I agree with what you're saying but this rant wont change the the playstyle of many.0 -
MetalHead4x4 wrote: »Well my explanations are always going to be open to interpretation by people who disagree, especially those who disagree just on principle cause they don't like me for one reason or another. That's fine though, this is probably gonna be my last campaign. With the lag, class imbalance, ball groups I've just grown kind of bored with ESO PvP in general so peeps can say what they want. It's all good with me.
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✭✭✭✭✭Pretty sure Zergs are little green alien things that fight a lot of zealots and marines0 -
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✭If you played Starcraft from day one, you would know a zerg is a rapid attack sending as many available units as possible
Zergs are common with zergs, protoss and terran. Easiest with zergs the noun, but anyone can zerg(verb). If you die you die, zerged down or not. Resurrect and try again. This game has the least punishing deaths of any MMO I've ever played. Difficult to understand why people are so afraid of dying. Unless you're with your team and far away from a respawn point, it doesn't matter much at all. Unless you're cheating in godmode, you should die fairly often in group pvp. 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Why does OP send them tells anyhow. Obviously if he’s getting tells from them that claim their not zergs he’s sending them tells to start with.
I’ve never understood playing PvP via whispers back and forth.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MetalHead4x4 wrote: »So what your saying is... if 6 experienced players wipe a group of 30 pugs over and over with careful coordination and ult timings, the 6 man group is zerging? Huh... being a zergling never sounded so good
I'd like to see a 6 v 30 win in any real scenario first. I don't see it happening. Zerg implies an overwhelming force, 6 v 30 doesn't imply a zerg. Now if those 30 team up and smash the 6, then they zerged.
6 is a team, if they coordinate and defeat 30, thats fine. If they 6v2 some guys, then they zerged. Key being superior numbers + coordination. Or even inferior numbers plus coordination against random pugs. But not 6.
I've done 8 v 30/40 loads of times.
Just lead them into a narrow area and time ult drops right and push with the momentum.
But grouping 6-8 people is the only way to get anything done in this game now, 6-8 heavy armour builds is the only way tot survive the dmg and actually have enough dmg to take out the majority of the zerg because if you don't kill over 50% then they just battle revive everyone and it's literally pointless.PS4 EU DC
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kpittsniperb14_ESO✭✭✭✭MetalHead4x4 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »MetalHead4x4 wrote: »WhenMister_DMC wrote: »Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.
The OP started his conversation with me saying: "You're a p***y." So I agree completely.
When you attack me 14v1, you ARE a p****. You still don't get the difference, its not always about numbers. A bunch of uncoordinated pugs even with larger numbers are not a zerg if they're not balling up, dropping ults an charging at you all at the same time. What they are doing is skirmishing. A non-organized random mass trying to take down a slightly smaller force that is using zerg tactic. It's the tactics that matter. Say you are 14 strong, if you are dropping all 14 of your ults and smashing through an unorganized scattering of pugs, thats a zerg tactic.
"A zergling denying he's a zergling" when you're in a open field spread out fighting a similar sized forced you're not a zergling, you're a skirmisher. That's open warfare, the only tactic is looking out for yourself. I'm not dependent on a healer, or anyone else to complete the task of killing people. That's not a zergling. You just want to call it that out of ignorance of what "zerging" is.
So 60 disorganized players "skirmishing" at the same place against the same 14 opponents are not a zerg? But their 14 organized opponents are?
Oh, that's hilarious.
Its like I say about DC. DC never zergs! Those are all 4-man groups. All 20 of them. At the same keep.
If that's what you discerned out of what I described, then reading comprehension not zerging should be your main focus. When do you see 60 people ganging up on a 14 man ball zerg? Plus, if it takes 60 people to take out a small group like that its BECAUSE you are using zerg tactics. Charging into unorganized random skirmishers, that don't know how to combat you is still a form of zerging because of the tactics you're using. CONTEXT, as someone said. If they are surrounding you spamming light attacks or trying to pick off guys in the back of your zerg, no thats not zerging. A large group of people don't = a zerg if they are not using zerg tactics. The key is the context of the engagement. A 60 man group sieging a keep full of 60 people isn't a zerg.
I didn't say DC doesn't zerg, we have some groups that use those tactics, they are zergs or zerg balls etc call them what you will. But a large force doesn't automatically = a zerg. Take gate fights for example. Say you have Drac running around the gate in a 14 man, while 25 DC are running around chasing them unorganized, thats not DC zerging a smaller force. Take that same 25 people, organize them in Discord chat, start dropping negates and charging into the smaller 14 man group, thats zerging.
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montjie✭✭✭Zerging depends on the situation.
I cant recall how many times I get swarmed by resource camping 'small scalers' running in groups of 4-6 when im completely by myself trying to retake it. I then return (cause idrgaf) to find them in combat with others of my faction, i join the fight nd the small scalers eventually die.. I bag them (naturally) nd then I'm the zergling.
Its weird how those guys simply forget how they ran down a player on its own with their whole group just minutes ago.
OT: I've been saying for years that ballgroups are basically just glorified zergs. The only difference between them nd the more traditional zerg is ballgroups use TS/Discord.- easy farmable saltbucket -
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ZeneSoul ShrivenMetalHead4x4 wrote: »I get a lot of funny tells from these ball zerg groups, basically denying that they are a "zerg". Yet they'll take a group of say 14 people, and attack me by myself. To me, thats a zerg. So when I send them a tell like "Hey here's an idea, take your whole force and attack one guy" and get a reply like "pick your fights".
If you died unaware that a zerg is in your way, that's fine. You'd die to 1 person if you're unaware anyway and it's your fault. But, if you see a zerg and you're the only person around you don't want to mess with them, just run. Don't be a pug who doesn't know how to pick fights. If you actually engaged the zerg alone then we all know what that means and it's also your fault.
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✭✭I think the unbridled, bloodthirsty, zeal at which 10-15 players will attack and kill just one guy, and then teabag him, is pretty funny...in a pathetic kind of way. 0
