FIX LETHAL ARROW IN PVP OR REMOVE IT

ZarkingFrued · September 2018

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

Solariken · September 2018

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

Lethal Arrow is fine, it's Nightblades that need to be fixed or removed.

KingExecration · September 2018

As someone once said, if you cant beat them then join them. I created a sniper and having an amazing time honestly. Its laughable how easy it is. Still cant seem to get good players with it, I can insta-gib good players with my gankplar though.

Kanar · September 2018

I assume you're talking about that thing where out of nowhere you get hit with 3 snipes at the same time, from the same person. That is annoying.

But there are non-gankers who use snipe too and it's fine there.

Priyasekarssk · September 2018

Solariken wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

Lethal Arrow is fine, it's Nightblades that need to be fixed or removed.

What ? NB is example class. Other classes existed only serve NB. Just play as NB or DK. Thats only solution.

Kadoin · September 2018

Solariken wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

Lethal Arrow is fine, it's Nightblades that need to be fixed or removed.

ZarkingFrued · September 2018

Solariken wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

Lethal Arrow is fine, it's Nightblades that need to be fixed

I was unaware there was someone who didn't know what the snipe glitch was where your health desyncs and you get hit by 2-3 lethal arrows instantly rather than consecutively. It's literally almost impossible to survive 3 lethal arrows hitting you at the exact same moment on any realistic build. No sound effect warning, no animation for you to have time to counter the next, just bam, nearly 30k damage one hit. Snipe is not fine

ZarkingFrued · September 2018

KingExecration wrote: »

As someone once said, if you cant beat them then join them. I created a sniper and having an amazing time honestly. Its laughable how easy it is. Still cant seem to get good players with it, I can insta-gib good players with my gankplar though.

I see no honor, value, or skill to any snipe build. If this is what players want then why play eso? Obviously ranged sneak combat must be better in any shooter game on the market. This is just trolling gameplay in Eso where someone hangs out and hides while you 1v1 his buddy and he snipe glitches you. Trolling, with no honor or chance of ever being good at the game.

ZarkingFrued · September 2018

Kanar wrote: »

I assume you're talking about that thing where out of nowhere you get hit with 3 snipes at the same time, from the same person. That is annoying.

But there are non-gankers who use snipe too and it's fine there.

I am. And I agree,
"But there are non-gankers who use snipe too and it's fine there" and these non exploiting players deserve for ZOS to fix their ability so it works correctly. If you wanna be good at a game, and have honor and value your gaming skills, then you do not want to use a skill that you know is glitched and nets you free kills.

Minalan · September 2018

Solariken wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

Lethal Arrow is fine, it's Nightblades that need to be fixed or removed.

https://youtu.be/qHBQ0c5f-Zo

This says it all....

Siohwenoeht · September 2018

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

Lethal Arrow is fine, it's Nightblades that need to be fixed or removed.

What ? NB is example class. Other classes existed only serve NB. Just play as NB or DK. Thats only solution.

Xsorus · September 2018

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

KingExecration wrote: »

As someone once said, if you cant beat them then join them. I created a sniper and having an amazing time honestly. Its laughable how easy it is. Still cant seem to get good players with it, I can insta-gib good players with my gankplar though.

I see no honor, value, or skill to any snipe build. If this is what players want then why play eso? Obviously ranged sneak combat must be better in any shooter game on the market. This is just trolling gameplay in Eso where someone hangs out and hides while you 1v1 his buddy and he snipe glitches you. Trolling, with no honor or chance of ever being good at the game.

Good thing is no one cares how you view a Snipe Build

*grin*

Beardimus · September 2018

We all know something's up with snipe, yet nothing.
We all know fear has a break free bug, yet nothing.

Rune Cage has a break free bug, it gets 5 nerfs a patch later.

And folks say ZOS has a sorc sweet spot lol

SquareSausage · September 2018

I really hate in BGs where the nightblades sneak up to the high levels and fire off 3 lethal arrows in 1 shot then simply cloak straight after and u have no idea what just happened or where they are. Oh and you are also dead.

robpr · September 2018

People spam snipe until some random DK decide to bounce them back. I agree it's cheesy, but useless if you close the gap. Chain/Silver leash the mofo and he will stop.

Datolite · September 2018

My stamblade sniper brings all the boys to the yard.

I could teach you...

Cuthceol · September 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

We all know something's up with snipe, yet nothing.
We all know fear has a break free bug, yet nothing.

Rune Cage has a break free bug, it gets 5 nerfs a patch later.

And folks say ZOS has a sorc sweet spot lol

sorc ultimate bugged - hotfix 24 hours later
WW ultimate bugged - fix scheduled for 2 1/2 months later (hopefully it'll work)
WW ultimate morph bugged - fix TWO YEARS later

Beardimus · September 2018

WasteOfTime wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

We all know something's up with snipe, yet nothing.
We all know fear has a break free bug, yet nothing.

Rune Cage has a break free bug, it gets 5 nerfs a patch later.

And folks say ZOS has a sorc sweet spot lol

sorc ultimate bugged - hotfix 24 hours later
WW ultimate bugged - fix scheduled for 2 1/2 months later (hopefully it'll work)
WW ultimate morph bugged - fix TWO YEARS later

What were these bugs?

So StamBlade WW is uber OP for bugs fixes then right

Tommy_The_Gun · September 2018

From your post OP it sounds like you had a lag spike & 2 - 3 lethal arrows in 1 - 2 sec. It happens rarely.... but when it does happen it really hurts

. No one likes this...

As long as PvP "servers" will run like that with insane lags and 999+ lag spikes it will keep happening.
It has more to do with poor servers rather than snipe. It affects all skills that have a cast time. Snipe is just most noticeable as it also has range.

WildWilbur · September 2018

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

KingExecration wrote: »

As someone once said, if you cant beat them then join them. I created a sniper and having an amazing time honestly. Its laughable how easy it is. Still cant seem to get good players with it, I can insta-gib good players with my gankplar though.

I see no honor, value, or skill to any snipe build. If this is what players want then why play eso? Obviously ranged sneak combat must be better in any shooter game on the market. This is just trolling gameplay in Eso where someone hangs out and hides while you 1v1 his buddy and he snipe glitches you. Trolling, with no honor or chance of ever being good at the game.

Priceless! Oh, and my sig, you know...

frostz417 · September 2018

I agree with you there. The snipe desync issue is the most infuriating thing ever. Every time I go in Bg’s I’m always and I mean ALWAYS dropping from 100% to 0% health only to see 3-5 lethal arrows all hitting me at the same time. This is an expliot and must be addressed. I’m so sick of noobs taking advantage of this crap.

Pastas · September 2018

I used to be able to hear the audio hint bound to this skill with enough time to do something (block, roll, cloak...). Now it seems that you hear it with no time to reaction, or you can't even hear it if you are figthing somone else at closer range.

kathandira · September 2018

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

The sooner people realize that rocks/paper/scissors PvP games will never be balanced, the sooner people will stop insisting for their to be PvP in class based games.

If the game has classes that are strong vs some, and weak vs others, it will never be a fair and balanced game. These sorts of games are best for PvE as that is where they came from in the first place.

I like balanced games, where everyone plays as the same faceless person, and everyone has the same availability to the same ways to perform in combat. That is where skilled players can flourish, and have fair games. Outside of those sorts of games, all you ever hear is things such as "Nerf XX Class" or "Nerf XX Ability" from players in class based games. It is tiring, and not because of hearing the complaints at face value, but instead understanding that the complaints will never cease due to the nature of the game.

IAVITNI · September 2018

kathandira wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

The sooner people realize that rocks/paper/scissors PvP games will never be balanced, the sooner people will stop insisting for their to be PvP in class based games.

If the game has classes that are strong vs some, and weak vs others, it will never be a fair and balanced game. These sorts of games are best for PvE as that is where they came from in the first place.

I like balanced games, where everyone plays as the same faceless person, and everyone has the same availability to the same ways to perform in combat. That is where skilled players can flourish, and have fair games. Outside of those sorts of games, all you ever hear is things such as "Nerf XX Class" or "Nerf XX Ability" from players in class based games. It is tiring, and not because of hearing the complaints at face value, but instead understanding that the complaints will never cease due to the nature of the game.

Ever heard of Super Smash Bros?

Rock, paper, scissors is fine so long as the advantage isn't so overbearing. All classes diminish some strengths of the other. that's how we get combat diversity.

The rock, paper, scissors issue you refer to is more descriptive of hard counters such as Shield Breaker, Mark, Detect Pots etc. Classes themselves are fine, certain sets and hard counters are the issue.

What ESO has is more like a Air, Earth, Fire, Water cycle. Air can extinguish a Fire quickly but needs to whittle down Earth. As a trade off, Fire just needs to be where the Air is not and while Earth doesn't feel a lot of pressure from Air, it can't exactly smash the Air into non-existence, but rather needs to contain it until the Air gets winded. (I'm sorry I can do better but I won't)

As for Snipe, the desynch is a clear bug and should be fixed. I have my own issues with Major Defile on a high hitting skill but since 90% of players are zerglings, I'm of the minority.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2018

Happened to me last night. Riding along on my horse and I simply fell over. There was no warning, only the sound of the first hit. Death recap was 3 snipes and an enchant proc. I typically chalk this sort of thing up to lag and move on, but if there is a way people are forcing this bug, it's pretty bad. This skill definitely needs looked at one way or another.

Arkangeloski · September 2018

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

How about after the ability is casted the player can't use cloak or re enter stealth for 3 secs. That way it would still be useful for defending keep walls and counter siege and at the same time making it useless for bad gankers giving you 3 secs of counterplay, given the fact they have distance at their advantage risk reward scenario lol, and also a slight rework with that whole health desync it's annoying.

kathandira · September 2018

IAVITNI wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

The sooner people realize that rocks/paper/scissors PvP games will never be balanced, the sooner people will stop insisting for their to be PvP in class based games.

If the game has classes that are strong vs some, and weak vs others, it will never be a fair and balanced game. These sorts of games are best for PvE as that is where they came from in the first place.

I like balanced games, where everyone plays as the same faceless person, and everyone has the same availability to the same ways to perform in combat. That is where skilled players can flourish, and have fair games. Outside of those sorts of games, all you ever hear is things such as "Nerf XX Class" or "Nerf XX Ability" from players in class based games. It is tiring, and not because of hearing the complaints at face value, but instead understanding that the complaints will never cease due to the nature of the game.

Ever heard of Super Smash Bros?

Rock, paper, scissors is fine so long as the advantage isn't so overbearing. All classes diminish some strengths of the other. that's how we get combat diversity.

The rock, paper, scissors issue you refer to is more descriptive of hard counters such as Shield Breaker, Mark, Detect Pots etc. Classes themselves are fine, certain sets and hard counters are the issue.

What ESO has is more like a Air, Earth, Fire, Water cycle. Air can extinguish a Fire quickly but needs to whittle down Earth. As a trade off, Fire just needs to be where the Air is not and while Earth doesn't feel a lot of pressure from Air, it can't exactly smash the Air into non-existence, but rather needs to contain it until the Air gets winded. (I'm sorry I can do better but I won't)

As for Snipe, the desynch is a clear bug and should be fixed. I have my own issues with Major Defile on a high hitting skill but since 90% of players are zerglings, I'm of the minority.

The point I was aiming at, was that such diversity will always incite complaints, now matter how good of a job the dev's do at trying to balance it all. Even smash brothers has people screaming Nerf at whatever meta people are using.

The game I use as an example of player fairness was Halo 2. I know it has it's problems as well, but mechanics wise, it was fair. Everyone's the same guy, so they all have the same speed and defense. Everyone has access to the same weapons, so no one is automatically more powerful than others. There were issues with Maps and their design favoring one side or the other pending on starting location, but that is a different thing all together.

Anytime you have a game where there is this diversity, the forums all look exactly the same in the end. Nerf this, Nerf that. It is all too repetitive across gaming.

**And don't apologize for your explanation, it was honestly really good and makes a ton of sense**

SugaComa · September 2018

I'm not going g to name names not because it's forum rules ...but cos it was a friend ...

But last night in BGs he killed me four times and all four times I knew I was dead 3 seconds before I died ... Why

Cos my character locked up couldn't moved couldn't use skills, I was taking no damage then I died ... As I hit the floor the green streak across the sky came visible and that when I knew I'd been lag sniped, checked my death recap and sure enough snipe snipe snipe plus two other skills can't Renee which

But the surprising thing was he had zero deaths... Now I know this player ... N he's slightly above average at best in PvP yet he was getting kills and assists in the high double Didgets and zero kills.

So yes ... When I see a someone I know perform at this level which is outside of his normal abilities you know it's bug that needs to be fixed cos in the hands of decent players it's infuriating to the point that it's making players quit

End of days the game has to be fun for the majority not the minority

swirve · September 2018

More PvP crying. Hopefully this will not indirectly lead to the PvE being messed up.

leepalmer95 · September 2018

swirve wrote: »

More PvP crying. Hopefully this will not indirectly lead to the PvE being messed up.

Who uses snipe in pve?

Anyway this works both ways, beam was buffed for magplar in pve. So i'm getting zerged down with a lot more beams now.

Hateanthem · September 2018

kathandira wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Were all tired of it, you know what is wrong with it. There have been lengthy threads, probably thousands of support tickets, and it's all in all promoting a trash playstyle where someone hides and exploits the glitch. They should all be banned, and the skill needs fixed or removed. Anyone who discredits this post is obviously an exploiter who can't pvp, but instead hides and spams lethal arrow. It is breaking your game. Done.

The sooner people realize that rocks/paper/scissors PvP games will never be balanced, the sooner people will stop insisting for their to be PvP in class based games.

If the game has classes that are strong vs some, and weak vs others, it will never be a fair and balanced game. These sorts of games are best for PvE as that is where they came from in the first place.

I like balanced games, where everyone plays as the same faceless person, and everyone has the same availability to the same ways to perform in combat. That is where skilled players can flourish, and have fair games. Outside of those sorts of games, all you ever hear is things such as "Nerf XX Class" or "Nerf XX Ability" from players in class based games. It is tiring, and not because of hearing the complaints at face value, but instead understanding that the complaints will never cease due to the nature of the game.

So you're really into those digital checkers games eh? Maybe get a little wild on the weekends and move over to the online chess areas.

You wild thing you...