In PvP spamming roll dodge is broken and needs to be nerfed

Strider__Roshin · September 2018

ESO_GOD wrote: »

It is wild that you can avoid taking damge so effortlessly. Maybe a slight nerf to roll dodge is in order.

Slightly reduce the number of frames in which player can't take damage?

The only gripe I have is that there are lingering i-frames after the roll. I'm all for tightening it up, but there needs to be more dodge-able abilities. Also get rid of Evasion.

Valrien · September 2018

Daus wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

It is wild that you can avoid taking damge so effortlessly. Maybe a slight nerf to roll dodge is in order.

Slightly reduce the number of frames in which player can't take damage?

The only gripe I have is that there are lingering i-frames after the roll. I'm all for tightening it up, but there needs to be more dodge-able abilities. Also get rid of Evasion.

I think dodge is pretty good as is. Projectiles should always be able to be dodged. Non-projectile abilities such as beams (Soul Assault), direct-target abilities like Petrify, Rune Cage, Curse, Whip, etc, and AoE like Whirlwind and Impulse shouldn't be able to be dodged (unless you dodge out of range of them, obviously)...just because all of that makes sense.

The lingering I-frames do definitely need to be tightened up though. It feels like there's no such thing as recovery-frames like there would be in any other game that features dodge rolling.

Drakkdjinn · September 2018

Try a no-CP campaign if the cheese pointer dodgespam has gotten too much for ya.

CatchMeTrolling · September 2018

No one is roll dodging 7 times in a row without consequences. That’s how you end up with no resources. The only class capable of doing so with little penalty is medium armor stam sorc.

Waffennacht · September 2018

I told you the new meta would be this

I told you making everything dodgeable after 7m would do this

I told you

NyassaV · September 2018

After around CWC we obtained the sustain needed to dodge roll this much on a medium armor build that the match between a; (and this is just an example) magicka sorc and stamblade, is no longer fair.

Having skills like Soul Harvest and Burning Embers be undodgable helped keep dodging in line and wasn't totally overpowered but they were bugs and they were fixed.

Welcome to S-Stammerset

JumpmanLane · September 2018

That passive that sets an enemy off balance in the cp tree makes dodge rolling effective. Slot something undodgeable. I’m a Magdk. Fossilize. Plus if all they are doing is rolling they aren’t attacking. Ignore them. Like tanks.

coppersly · September 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

After around CWC we obtained the sustain needed to dodge roll this much on a medium armor build that the match between a; (and this is just an example) magicka sorc and stamblade, is no longer fair.

Having skills like Soul Harvest and Burning Embers be undodgable helped keep dodging in line and wasn't totally overpowered but they were bugs and they were fixed.

Welcome to S-Stammerset

I normally just play MagSorc in PvP so I only have like 2 skills that can't be dodge and both are terrible for someone dodge rolling away. Definetly making more skills undodgeable would be a great change and seriously cut down on this reallllllllllllllly cheap tactic.

JumpmanLane wrote: »

That passive that sets an enemy off balance in the cp tree makes dodge rolling effective. Slot something undodgeable. I’m a Magdk. Fossilize. Plus if all they are doing is rolling they aren’t attacking. Ignore them. Like tanks.

Normally anything that crosses my path must die but after losing to this *** like 9/10 I'm just going to ignore them from now on. Too much cancer I don't need chemo.

Valrien · September 2018

coppersly wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

After around CWC we obtained the sustain needed to dodge roll this much on a medium armor build that the match between a; (and this is just an example) magicka sorc and stamblade, is no longer fair.

Having skills like Soul Harvest and Burning Embers be undodgable helped keep dodging in line and wasn't totally overpowered but they were bugs and they were fixed.

Welcome to S-Stammerset

I normally just play MagSorc in PvP so I only have like 2 skills that can't be dodge and both are terrible for someone dodge rolling away. Definetly making more skills undodgeable would be a great change and seriously cut down on this reallllllllllllllly cheap tactic.

JumpmanLane wrote: »

That passive that sets an enemy off balance in the cp tree makes dodge rolling effective. Slot something undodgeable. I’m a Magdk. Fossilize. Plus if all they are doing is rolling they aren’t attacking. Ignore them. Like tanks.

Normally anything that crosses my path must die but after losing to this *** like 9/10 I'm just going to ignore them from now on. Too much cancer I don't need chemo.

2 skills? I only know of Curse, since they just changed Mages' and Rune in Wolfhunter

coppersly · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

coppersly wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

After around CWC we obtained the sustain needed to dodge roll this much on a medium armor build that the match between a; (and this is just an example) magicka sorc and stamblade, is no longer fair.

Having skills like Soul Harvest and Burning Embers be undodgable helped keep dodging in line and wasn't totally overpowered but they were bugs and they were fixed.

Welcome to S-Stammerset

I normally just play MagSorc in PvP so I only have like 2 skills that can't be dodge and both are terrible for someone dodge rolling away. Definetly making more skills undodgeable would be a great change and seriously cut down on this reallllllllllllllly cheap tactic.

JumpmanLane wrote: »

That passive that sets an enemy off balance in the cp tree makes dodge rolling effective. Slot something undodgeable. I’m a Magdk. Fossilize. Plus if all they are doing is rolling they aren’t attacking. Ignore them. Like tanks.

Normally anything that crosses my path must die but after losing to this *** like 9/10 I'm just going to ignore them from now on. Too much cancer I don't need chemo.

2 skills? I only know of Curse, since they just changed Mages' and Rune in Wolfhunter

I think mines can't be dodged just the immobilze part since rolling gives immunity. If it didn't I could ruin everyone doing it

Recremen · September 2018

They already nerfed constant roll dodge by adding a cost multiplier for successive uses too quickly in a row. If someone's doing 7 roll dodges in a row then they're going to be super strapped for stamina after that. That's going to force them to drink a pot or use Dark Deal or some such, or just leave the fight entirely (if they even can) to regen resources, all of which have a pretty hefty opportunity cost. I'm really not sure what more needs to be done to balance this.

Malmai · September 2018

coppersly wrote: »

When you can roll 7 times in a row to avoid taking LITERALLY ANY DAMAGE AT ALL and abuse it every single time you get into a fight it's straight up broken.

Yes yes yes spam 20 shields and get no damage cmon this tears lol...

Malmai · September 2018

Nabs destroyed the game.

Itzmichi · September 2018

nerfwill definitely be among the top 3 words for 2018.

Reinhard72 · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Just use Rune Cage...oh...wait...

Next Nerf........Soul Attack

kessik221 · September 2018

coppersly wrote: »

Yeah they're draining stam to do it but... they will roll to teammate while healing themselves and still have magicka based attacks to turn around and stun me over and over while they wail on me with their teammates.
Things being undodgable like runecage were annoying but the reverse is just as bad being able to dodge almost all attacks isn't fun.

So knowing they can't be damaged while doderolling, why did you let yourself be kited into their team? You can make any excuse you want, there are already counters in place it's 100% l2p.

Vizikul · September 2018

coppersly wrote: »

Yeah they're draining stam to do it but... they will roll to teammate while healing themselves and still have magicka based attacks to turn around and stun me over and over while they wail on me with their teammates.
Things being undodgable like runecage were annoying but the reverse is just as bad being able to dodge almost all attacks isn't fun.

Most ultimates are undodgeable. This is also the case for some common abilities like spin to win tornado and reverse slash.

TheUndeadAmulet · September 2018

This is main only a problem on CP campaign because of CP passives that reduce roll dodge cost. On battlegrounds and No-CP you can really feel the cost of using roll dodge.

crazy_catman21 · September 2018

If only you could rune cage them from 42m away, darn

Heimpai · September 2018

If they do it 7 times and you still can’t kill them then that’s on you..i don’t think healers should be able to heal more than 7 times

bpmachete · September 2018

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

sly007 wrote: »

synnerman wrote: »

But when Sorcs used their combat resource to get away with streak it was nerfed

Lol, rolling received the same nerf as streak. Let's give the same treatment to cloak.

Now we're talking

And shields.

bpmachete · September 2018

Daus wrote: »

sly007 wrote: »

synnerman wrote: »

But when Sorcs used their combat resource to get away with streak it was nerfed

Lol, rolling received the same nerf as streak. Let's give the same treatment to cloak.

Due to the fact that cloak can instantly break I'd rather have it so magicka regen stops while invisible via Cloak.

Also when shielding

bpmachete · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Without procing Lich I can spam Hardened Ward 32 times in a row. Dodge rolling needs a buff.

Hardened Ward is also comparatively weak

Your hardened ward is weak

D0PAMINE · September 2018

Nerfs need to be nerfed

bpmachete · September 2018

Malmai wrote: »

coppersly wrote: »

When you can roll 7 times in a row to avoid taking LITERALLY ANY DAMAGE AT ALL and abuse it every single time you get into a fight it's straight up broken.

Yes yes yes spam 20 shields and get no damage cmon this tears lol...

No let them hang themselves, when it turns around and bites them in the behind... Shield fatigue like streak fatigue will be fun to watch if they keep going on about nerfs... all this game needs is for it to actually work, for the coders to complete the job and people not find glitches after live... they talking about this, they not solo want the guys to just get crushed out there

SHADOW2KK · September 2018

When are scrub players gonna be nerfed?

Instead of whining on forums about nerfs to all future noobs, how about a bit of l2p, and adapting.

Mr_Walker · September 2018

Every skill that's useful needs to be nerfed. Then we can move on to nerfing the fun ones. Finally, we'll have every class/play style be so comprehensively gutted, PvP will be so enormously dull and vanilla every campaign will have 2 people in it, and get turned off.

Have some foresight, chaps.

Finviuswe · September 2018

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

When are scrub players gonna be nerfed?

Instead of whining on forums about nerfs to all future noobs, how about a bit of l2p, and adapting.

I have said before you do not want to balance the game solely around the lowest common denominator. Continually doing so over time will make the game so incredibly bad, that no one will be playing anymore. Good or bad.

SHADOW2KK · September 2018

ESO_GOD wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

When are scrub players gonna be nerfed?

Instead of whining on forums about nerfs to all future noobs, how about a bit of l2p, and adapting.

I have said before you do not want to balance the game solely around the lowest common denominator. Continually doing so over time will make the game so incredibly bad, that no one will be playing anymore. Good or bad.

Said so too, a number of times.

I get the game has to be attractive enough for newbies to pick up, but like anything else, to get good, put in the time and reap the rewards, not like players like the OP.

coppersly · September 2018

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

When are scrub players gonna be nerfed?

Instead of whining on forums about nerfs to all future noobs, how about a bit of l2p, and adapting.

How about not being dependant on spamming a single mechanic to win games?
You have 5 melee characters you're biased as hell. Personally stam chars are incredibly broken and much more built towards PvP than mag is. Especially DKs they were made purely for PvP, they have some of the most broken skills in game for it. I don't want to hear from someone with 3 of them to "git gud"