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In PvP spamming roll dodge is broken and needs to be nerfed

coppersly
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When you can roll 7 times in a row to avoid taking LITERALLY ANY DAMAGE AT ALL and abuse it every single time you get into a fight it's straight up broken.
  • SilverWF
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    Yes.
    • PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
    • YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
    • EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
    • Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
  • Aliyavana
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    Lightning staffs, dots
  • qbit
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    SilverWF wrote: »
    Yes.

    L2P while you’re working on that reading comprehension, @SilverWF ;)
  • SilverWF
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    qbit wrote: »
    SilverWF wrote: »
    Yes.

    L2P while you’re working on that reading comprehension, @SilverWF ;)

    Ok.
    • PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
    • YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
    • EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
    • Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
  • Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO
    If you're a DK, you can hit a rollie pollie with fossilize. Undodgeable, unblockable, and makes them hold still. Also drains their stamina, reducing the amount of dodging they can do when they break free.

    But overall, if someone wants to sacrifice all their resources to be more defensive, that's fine by me. The game isn't built in a way that a player can dodge roll indefinitely while also sustaining indefinitely while also dealing massive damage. Something will run out eventually, and that's when you counter.
  • Jhalin
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    If they’re spamming dodge roll then they’re using their combat resource to avoid you. It also gets more expensive each use, so gonna go with it being fine as it.

    You can always Soul Assault them, that usually does the trick
  • zaria
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    If you dodge roll 7 times you can not do any damage.
    Same as lots of PvP tank builds who rely on taunt :)
    Anything who is harmless to you can be ignored, its no issue to spec for survival.

    On the other hand crocodiles in ESO can not swim, think of all their tears.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Valrien
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    Just use Rune Cage...oh...wait...
    Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
    Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
    Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake
  • SilverWF
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    Jhalin wrote: »
    If they’re spamming dodge roll then they’re using their combat resource to avoid you. It also gets more expensive each use, so gonna go with it being fine as it.

    You can always Soul Assault them, that usually does the trick

    Well, with CPs, Medium armor and Well-Fitted... not really
    • PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
    • YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
    • EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
    • Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
  • Chilly-McFreeze
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    Valrien wrote: »
    Just use Rune Cage...oh...wait...

    Darn. Beat me to it.
  • coppersly
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    Yeah they're draining stam to do it but... they will roll to teammate while healing themselves and still have magicka based attacks to turn around and stun me over and over while they wail on me with their teammates.
    Things being undodgable like runecage were annoying but the reverse is just as bad being able to dodge almost all attacks isn't fun.
  • Jhalin
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    SilverWF wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    If they’re spamming dodge roll then they’re using their combat resource to avoid you. It also gets more expensive each use, so gonna go with it being fine as it.

    You can always Soul Assault them, that usually does the trick

    Well, with CPs, Medium armor and Well-Fitted... not really

    No they will definitely still run out of stamina if they’re fighting you and not literally only dodge rolling. If they’re getting in close, NB fear, Sorc mines, Warden permafrost, DK talons, Templar...well Templar is probably boned without any undodgeable cc but every other class has means to deal with it
  • Daedric_NB_187
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    Hmmmmm..... Where have I heard this before? I'm hoping this is an original rant. But I don't think it is. /ponders
  • CeeJonesy
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    or you could just run the current meta and run in a 6-24 man and drop dawnbreaker and then spin to win. play a tanky stamden or tanky stam sorc. ez ap.

    literally the most boring gameplay you can have but if you learn how to group people into easy to burst stacks then you win 9/10 fights. enjoy being a 4 button wonder. vigor. hurricane/sub. dawny. spin.

    just dont let the fact that you can drop 99% of players/groups if you time things right go to your head. this setup is by far unbalanced and broken and needs to be looked at by zos. your still gonna be bad when its nerfed and people have to use more than 1 brain cell. till then however enjoy all that easy ap.
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  • Chilly-McFreeze
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    CeeJonesy wrote: »
    or you could just run the current meta and run in a 6-24 man and drop dawnbreaker and then spin to win. play a tanky stamden or tanky stam sorc. ez ap.

    literally the most boring gameplay you can have but if you learn how to group people into easy to burst stacks then you win 9/10 fights. enjoy being a 4 button wonder. vigor. hurricane/sub. dawny. spin.

    just dont let the fact that you can drop 99% of players/groups if you time things right go to your head. this setup is by far unbalanced and broken and needs to be looked at by zos. your still gonna be bad when its nerfed and people have to use more than 1 brain cell. till then however enjoy all that easy ap.

    So you complain about specific classes for 6-24 man group ulti dumping? Very insightful.
  • Casul
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    If someone is capable of rolling repeatedly with no sustain issues they have already dedicated a fair amount of armor traits and CP to get to that level, as such there defenses will suffer. Thus the balance is created, now while rolling may be aggravating seeing "miss, miss, miss" repeatedly you must understand that they have made sacrifices in order to get to that point. Same idea when people still say magsorcs can streak forever, its just nonsense at this point.
    PvP needs more love.
  • CeeJonesy
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    CeeJonesy wrote: »
    or you could just run the current meta and run in a 6-24 man and drop dawnbreaker and then spin to win. play a tanky stamden or tanky stam sorc. ez ap.

    literally the most boring gameplay you can have but if you learn how to group people into easy to burst stacks then you win 9/10 fights. enjoy being a 4 button wonder. vigor. hurricane/sub. dawny. spin.

    just dont let the fact that you can drop 99% of players/groups if you time things right go to your head. this setup is by far unbalanced and broken and needs to be looked at by zos. your still gonna be bad when its nerfed and people have to use more than 1 brain cell. till then however enjoy all that easy ap.

    So you complain about specific classes for 6-24 man group ulti dumping? Very insightful.

    not complaining. its the strongest setup. everyone should do it. most run smaller but i have seen 20+ players running it before and its devistating. I use the stamden version myself in a 8 man and its the easiest most braindead ap farming you can do. just get a group to follow you into a tower and drop ults and spin.

    my group doesnt use earthgore but i know a few that do. troll king also works well but for the most part bloodspawn or 2 pieces to increase stats works well.
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  • coppersly
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    BuildMan wrote: »
    If someone is capable of rolling repeatedly with no sustain issues they have already dedicated a fair amount of armor traits and CP to get to that level, as such there defenses will suffer. Thus the balance is created, now while rolling may be aggravating seeing "miss, miss, miss" repeatedly you must understand that they have made sacrifices in order to get to that point. Same idea when people still say magsorcs can streak forever, its just nonsense at this point.

    I've not had an experience where a roll spam character isn't anything but perfect. They have VERY strong self heals (according to combat metrics sustaining 5,000dps without any trouble) and don't seem to be weak either as they drop be usually 1~3 seconds after they stun me.

    I have personally built the strongest class cannon I possibly can and I still can't punch through some of these people who abuse stam characters(which are decidely stronger than mag characters for PvP) mechanics which are broken because ZOS either doesn't care or don't think it's possible to achieve this kind of aggrivating build.
  • synnerman
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    But when Sorcs used their combat resource to get away with streak it was nerfed :wink:
  • Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO
    coppersly wrote: »
    Yeah they're draining stam to do it but... they will roll to teammate while healing themselves and still have magicka based attacks to turn around and stun me over and over while they wail on me with their teammates.
    Things being undodgable like runecage were annoying but the reverse is just as bad being able to dodge almost all attacks isn't fun.

    It sounds like your problem isn't with roll dodgers, it's with Xv1ers. That's a different subject.
  • Enkil
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    Nerf nerd nerf... geez, not everyone spams it.

    These 1vX builds that rely on a specific strategy can be countered. Learn what this is in game. Try various counters. Nerfing affects all including you... :|
  • sly007
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    synnerman wrote: »
    But when Sorcs used their combat resource to get away with streak it was nerfed :wink:

    Lol, rolling received the same nerf as streak. Let's give the same treatment to cloak.
  • Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO
    sly007 wrote: »
    synnerman wrote: »
    But when Sorcs used their combat resource to get away with streak it was nerfed :wink:

    Lol, rolling received the same nerf as streak. Let's give the same treatment to cloak.

    Now we're talking
  • Koolio
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    coppersly wrote: »
    BuildMan wrote: »
    If someone is capable of rolling repeatedly with no sustain issues they have already dedicated a fair amount of armor traits and CP to get to that level, as such there defenses will suffer. Thus the balance is created, now while rolling may be aggravating seeing "miss, miss, miss" repeatedly you must understand that they have made sacrifices in order to get to that point. Same idea when people still say magsorcs can streak forever, its just nonsense at this point.

    I've not had an experience where a roll spam character isn't anything but perfect. They have VERY strong self heals (according to combat metrics sustaining 5,000dps without any trouble) and don't seem to be weak either as they drop be usually 1~3 seconds after they stun me.

    I have personally built the strongest class cannon I possibly can and I still can't punch through some of these people who abuse stam characters(which are decidely stronger than mag characters for PvP) mechanics which are broken because ZOS either doesn't care or don't think it's possible to achieve this kind of aggrivating build.

    I’ll try and be nice but still blunt. There are 3 tiers of players in this game

    Mr. Anderson
    Neo
    And The One

    Mr. Anderson is Keanu knowing that there is something going on but can’t put their finger on what it is and not knowing the Matrix at all

    Neo is that you know the Games contents and programming but still dont know exactly what’s going on

    The One is you know exactly how everything works in conjunction with each other and have done lots of training both combat and non combat.


    The way the post is written means that you are in the Mr. Anderson tier transitioning to Neo. Youve taken the Red pill and are looking for answers.

    Being able to dodge roll like you are saying means a few different things. Sacrifice was made. Whether it be survival damage or sustain. Somewhere that persons build is lacking somewhere. It could be very low magic sustain. It could be damage. I would have to either see his stats or video to tell exactly.

    Building a full damage build won’t kill everyone especially if you are Me. Anderson and they are The One. You just don’t see the code. If they wear impreg well fitted then they are either running a sustain set(most likely if open world) or a damage set (most likely if dueling) and the other department is lacking.

    If they are dodge rolling constantly then make them dodge more than they want. It will add up. Considering your a glass cannon means that you can’t sustain like they can and your mistakes will be more punishing.


    I would suggest running two sustain sets and dueling a friend all day everyday. Don’t attack for 10 mins and just survive/sustain. Most people in the higher tiers won’t die unless they are attacking and make mistakes. Take a magic sorc for example (this may now become a nerd sorc thread lol)

    If they are on their defense bar just stacking it will be extremely difficult to burst all the shields and health in the timing needed. But the moment the sorc combo starts the opening show. I kill more Sorcs when they drop a meteor then when I drop my ultimate. They are just open normally with no shield.

    But keep asking questions all the time. The forums can be a great place for insight and knowledge if you approach it the right way so you don’t get trolled.
  • Strider__Roshin
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    Without procing Lich I can spam Hardened Ward 32 times in a row. Dodge rolling needs a buff.
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    sly007 wrote: »
    synnerman wrote: »
    But when Sorcs used their combat resource to get away with streak it was nerfed :wink:

    Lol, rolling received the same nerf as streak. Let's give the same treatment to cloak.

    Due to the fact that cloak can instantly break I'd rather have it so magicka regen stops while invisible via Cloak.
  • Lord_Eomer
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    coppersly wrote: »
    When you can roll 7 times in a row to avoid taking LITERALLY ANY DAMAGE AT ALL and abuse it every single time you get into a fight it's straight up broken.

    and do you think that ZOS care?
  • Finviuswe
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    It is wild that you can avoid taking damge so effortlessly. Maybe a slight nerf to roll dodge is in order.

    Slightly reduce the number of frames in which player can't take damage?
  • Valrien
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    Daus wrote: »
    Without procing Lich I can spam Hardened Ward 32 times in a row. Dodge rolling needs a buff.

    Hardened Ward is also comparatively weak
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    Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
    Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake
  • ccmedaddy
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    I don't know how I feel about nerfing roll dodge yet but ZOS has been consistently removing/nerfing counters to roll dodge for several patches so I'm not surprised that this discussion is happening.

    Meanwhile, there's always Soul Assult. :trollface:
    Edited by ccmedaddy on September 6, 2018 6:54PM
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