Is it just me or is the "undaunted" skill line incredibly annoying?

AlnilamE · September 2018

The_Brosteen wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

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Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

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I find it ironic and hypocritical that pve mains are totally against reducing the amount for undaunted but was the most vocal when it came to reducing the requirement to get pvp skills and pvp rank 10.

That’s the problem with people that main one form of gameplay, they’re usually bias and hypocritical. Then to say the grinds are comparable explains why you see players spamming light attacks in pve because so many don’t know what they’re doing or talking about.

Undaunted can take days or weeks, it’s longer if you don’t have a dedicated team. The average pve player barely can pug or beat veteran dungeons as well so it’s funny pve mains are the most vocal. The same guys asking to nerf dlc dungeons. Meanwhile you can play bgs for an hr and go 0-100 but still get caltrops and vigor.

It can take 10 years to paint an average sized house, too, if you only do one brush stroke a day.

25 in game hours if you mildly pursue it. Less if you hardcore, more if you casual.

25 hours to max a line everyone is swearing you can't do without is not unreasonable at all.

The point is they’re not comparable genius. What are you even going on about.

Thanks for proving my point btw , 25 hours isn’t to be compared to 1 hr.

My DK has been in Cyrodiil way more than 1 hour and she's not half way to caltrops. Same with my stamblade.

You can do Undaunted the leisurely way by doing the easy achievements and normal pledges/undaunted daily, in which case it will take you about 20 days (because of pledge/daily limitation). Or you can hard core it and get dungeon achievements and do Vet HM pledges, in which case it will be much faster.

In my experience, PvP players tend to do pretty well in dungeons, whereas PvE players take a lot longer to find their PvP legs in Cyrodiil.

Hit me up in game @br0steen ill get you caltrops if you get me undaunted 9.

I don't really need help for caltrops. I have a PvP guild I run with. But I'm happy to run pledges, so I sent you a friend request in game.

Linaleah · September 2018

Krayl wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Krayl wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Krayl wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

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Short answer:

If undaunted is difficult for you to get then you probably aren't the kind of player who is doing content that needs the passives. The skill line is meant to encourage group play so people learn to play the 'multiplayer' part of the MMO and has one enticing passive.

oh ffs. its not difficult. its tedious and overly long and has too few options for earning it unless you meet specific set if sircumstances

WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR IT TO BE GIVEN FOR FREE. we are asking for more variety of options to EARN it, so that its not as tedious as it is right now. especially since comparable pvp lines have so many and varied options for earning them.

But it's not tedious or overly long if you're running dungeons. As is the intent of the line. And the passive is by no means a requirement for anything in the game.

it IS if you are pugging normal modes. but pug vets, you say? how many fake tanks and fake healer and fake dps threads are we up to at the most recent count? unless you have a group at your back and call that is cable to swashing through all these vet dungeon achievements? it IS tedious and long and gosh darn annoying. and its not just a passive. there are active abilities in undaunted tree that some roles are not merely expected - are required to have.

Don't use the dungeon finder then. There is a forum for finding groups IIRC. There are guild recruitment forums, find a guild that runs dungeons. Find some other folks in the same predicament. I run pledges most days as a well-geared max cp tank, ppl in my guild can join if they want. Ask in zone chat for people who also need undaunted. Ask on the forums. Offer to spec tank or healer while you do it. Makes it go fast.

There are MANY tools to make the process less painful. The game provides them.

and yet. it is STILL far more painful then getting caltrops. etc. or leveling any other skill line. .

which... is the POINT. why are you so against making it less painful for the rest of us?

and I do love it how you are telling me to not you as ACTUAL in game tool, and then turn around and tell me how game provides the tools.

It's not more painful than mages guild or psijic because you can actually earn it while you play the game.

Obviously by "the game" i mean the very existence of the game has created resources to find these things. Don't be condescending and make it sound like i'm an idiot when I also provided you with several examples to illustrate my point.

Sorry that you're bad at the game and can't have your stats, I guess. Undaunted takes a Saturday afternoon to level if the people on this thread whining about it just decided to group up and go do them. No help for the helpless.

oh hey, personal insults! guess what. I leveled my mage guild while... gasp. playing the game. most of the books i found while completing quests, farming etc. imagine that.
meanwhile - when you group up in groupfinder, which is by anyone considered to be grouping up. guess what? undaunted levels as SLOW AS MOLASSES STILL. I leveled my templar almost entirely via grouping. I got lucky and only got maybe 2 dungeon repeats, every other run was new dungeon. guess how high her undaunted was by the time she hit 50? don't even have to guess, I mentioned it earlier in this thread, but if you missed it - it was about 3 and a half. everything else can be leveled far quicker. and yes, that includes mage guild which CAN be leveled in an afternoon if one is so inclined and does NOT require special conditions.

but god forbid we give those filthy FILTHY dirty casuals who comprise majority of the players and pay into the game so that developers have resources to spend on those hard mode dungeons in a first place - god forbid we give them more options as to how they can level a skill line... can't have that, right?