The long, slow death of Cyrodiil (PC EU VIVEC)

Gandrhulf_Harbard · August 2018

PvP has never really been more than mediocre, and ZOS don't appear to have the ability to think outside the box to fix it.

If you keep doing what you already know isn't working don't be surprised if your target customers start to lose faith.

The best thing that could do is shut PvP down for six months and focus the entirety of that 6 month development cycle on re-imagining and rebuilding PvP, in a from that a) works for players, b) is sustainable and c) above all is fun.

Now, I say that as someone who rarely PvPs in MMORPGS, but an awful lot of customers bought into this game on the the promise of strong, fun PvP. And so far they've barely seen a sniff of that. Those guys deserve some love too.

All The Best

Gnozo · August 2018

PvP is dead in the morning. I am in DC side. AD pushed every Alliance to the gates by capturing empty keeps at 5 am with 20ppl zerg.

If you See lucky you get 5 randoms to siege a keep just to get zerged down by the 20 ppl zerg. All are 60+ years old and in the same Guild. GG.

No point of playing in the morning.

terrannova · August 2018

Pvp performance is the reason i cancelled my sub. No regrets

RouDeR · August 2018

the lag is unbearable - 2-3 seconds for skills to react if they even react...
I usually try to PvP in Cyro at night but quickly change my attention to Battlegrounds and go there.

Knootewoot · August 2018

PvP was the reason i started ESO. Hence now it is te reason i hardly log in anymore and don't pay sub.

If PvP got the same attention as the crownstore i would sub back immediatly.

TheMystid · August 2018

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

The best thing that could do is shut PvP down for six months and focus the entirety of that 6 month development cycle on re-imagining and rebuilding PvP, in a from that a) works for players, b) is sustainable and c) above all is fun.

This.

I can add that at least in PC EU is almost impossible for new players to enjoy the game. I remember when I started playing PvP intensively, after One Tamriel, I was able to separate from the zerg and find good small scale fights against good/average players at any given time. I had tons of fun and I improved a lot thanks to this. What I find now far from the zerg are just always the same small groups of pro o semi-pro players (those who live in Cyro) which are impossible to fight against as a solo player. I know them and just pass by, but doing so I find myself in a horse (cougar in my case) simulator which I don't enjoy very much, and i quit. I gues it is even worse for new/semi new players.

Kel · August 2018

It's bizzare and pretty ridiculous that a game mode touted as "end game" and was the primary selling point (at the beginning) doesn't have a separate developer or even a dedicated rep. It's mind boggling.

Bam_Bam · August 2018

hydrocynus wrote: »

Ah yes. Thanks for the reminder. It has been dying for quite some time now. Kind of at the same rate that all humans are dying. Very very slowly towards a natural old age death.

Here's to the next 5 years of Cyrodiil dying

5 more years? That would indeed be slow and way too painful. There are similar MMOs on the horizon and they are looking very very tasty. I hope that ZOS will actually do some work and give PvP a big boost.

Nermy · August 2018

Ever get the feeling you're talking to yourself and no-one is listening or even cares?

Bam_Bam · August 2018

Nermy wrote: »

Ever get the feeling you're talking to yourself and no-one is listening or even cares?

Oh yes. All the time. It's the story of my li.......

Hmmm, where did he go?

Hammy01 · August 2018

I hate to break it to you but I highly doubt Zos is going to be putting in major time and or money into Cyrodiil! They will throw us a small bone every now and then but nothing major. In the meantime the cyro population will continue to dwindle because doing the exact thing over and over again for years straight gets a little old. The people who do not mind doing the same thing over and over again will eventually quit because the population of cyrodiil is just to low to make such a big zone fun anymore!!
It really does feel like a slow death!!

However ZOS could step in and breathe some major life back into Cyrodiil!! I am actually hopping for the latter!

idk · August 2018

since 4 years ago people have been saying the game was dying yet it has not. Now someone is saying Cydodiil is dying. Should I give this more credence? Probably not.

MerlinPendragon · August 2018

Some ideas:

It's time to eliminate atleast one or two of the existing campaigns so that the remaining campaigns can be as lively as possible.

There should also be some type of monthly PVP event... doesnt need to always be double AP... but there must be other ideas ZoS can incorporate to get people to come to Cyrodil.

There should only be one instance of imperial city. Each campaign does not warrant it's own.

Call out other members of this community when they ask for new campaigns and new PVP areas. Remind them that the community doesn't need to be spread out further.

Bam_Bam · August 2018

idk wrote: »

since 4 years ago people have been saying the game was dying yet it has not. Now someone is saying Cydodiil is dying. Should I give this more credence? Probably not.

So you think its alive and kicking and hasn't gotten worse? Hmmmmmm, OK....

LarsS · August 2018

It’s clear that ZOS Summerset changes to campaign scoring failed; the outcome is still decided by those few who can be online when the servers are empty.
ZOS please consider a new approach, which is easy to implement and which give all players the same influence on the outcome. My proposal requires very little coding and can be tested in an incremental patch.
1. Reduce scroll points to one 1pnt again.
2. Weight the campaign tick score with the number of players in the least populated alliance (or the mean of the two least populated alliances) divided by max pop for an alliance. This is a simple factor to add to the campaign points.
Example; let’s assume that max pop for an alliance is 200 and there is only 10 DC around. This implies 10/200=0.05 to be multiplied to each alliances campaign score. So if an alliance has 100 points we get 100*0.05=5 points.
This would still make night/morning capping interesting from an AP point of view, but the influence on the campaign would be minimal.

Jamdarius · August 2018

I quit Cyro due to lags killing me there 2 many times... want more pop for Cyro? Fix the servers...

Nermy · August 2018

LarsS wrote: »

It’s clear that ZOS Summerset changes to campaign scoring failed; the outcome is still decided by those few who can be online when the servers are empty.
ZOS please consider a new approach, which is easy to implement and which give all players the same influence on the outcome. My proposal requires very little coding and can be tested in an incremental patch.
1. Reduce scroll points to one 1pnt again.
2. Weight the campaign tick score with the number of players in the least populated alliance (or the mean of the two least populated alliances) divided by max pop for an alliance. This is a simple factor to add to the campaign points.
Example; let’s assume that max pop for an alliance is 200 and there is only 10 DC around. This implies 10/200=0.05 to be multiplied to each alliances campaign score. So if an alliance has 100 points we get 100*0.05=5 points.
This would still make night/morning capping interesting from an AP point of view, but the influence on the campaign would be minimal.

You'd think that would be easy...

LarsS · August 2018

Nermy wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

It’s clear that ZOS Summerset changes to campaign scoring failed; the outcome is still decided by those few who can be online when the servers are empty.
ZOS please consider a new approach, which is easy to implement and which give all players the same influence on the outcome. My proposal requires very little coding and can be tested in an incremental patch.
1. Reduce scroll points to one 1pnt again.
2. Weight the campaign tick score with the number of players in the least populated alliance (or the mean of the two least populated alliances) divided by max pop for an alliance. This is a simple factor to add to the campaign points.
Example; let’s assume that max pop for an alliance is 200 and there is only 10 DC around. This implies 10/200=0.05 to be multiplied to each alliances campaign score. So if an alliance has 100 points we get 100*0.05=5 points.
This would still make night/morning capping interesting from an AP point of view, but the influence on the campaign would be minimal.

You'd think that would be easy...

Yes it is have done enough coding. Want solve all Cyro problem but worth a test.

xeNNNNN · August 2018

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

I have to work, cant be in Cyrodiil most of the non weekend days. Clearly, some folk do not have to work and they live in Cyro.

Yup there is that, this is why the running "joke" is that most people who aren't ONLY ep are just unemployed lol I do stress this is supposed to be a joke.

I always thought that AD players who morning cap on EU Vivec are just some NA players who simply play in their "prime time" - but they log in to EU server. They also have a tendency to disappear close to EU prime time...

Yeah there is that, I did have a talk with someone who was apparently whispering a morning capper on AD and apparently the person they talked to was from austrailia lol (according to the response they got) - totally possible its NA players though. I really dont know how to deal with that though tbh regardless. How could they actually prevent that kind of annoyance? lol

Like I said though, as far as I am aware the unemployed part is just a running joke (at least I consider it a joke - I know some actually believe it though which too be fair considering the pain EP has had for the past few years in vivec its understandable).

xeNNNNN · August 2018

visionality wrote: »

Bam_Bam wrote: »

What is happening with Cyrodiiil, ZOS?

I'm referring in particular to Vivec on the PC, EU Megaserver. It's not long after lunchtime - mid-afternoon in Europe and the campaign looks utterly shocking.

One Alliance is pop-locked (AD, as usual, no surprise there (they disappear when the other 2 Alliances are locked and/or if they don't have Emp), the other two are almost flat-lining.

EP and DC players dont find that prospect enticing, so they dont login to Cyro anymore during daytime.

Partially true a majority of the usual EP players dont get off work till around 5-6 GMT+1 and even then they need to spend time with family and such (and eat and so fourth) so its usually around 8pm GMT+1 that we have any sort of decent defense though I will admit generally speaking we're alright from 5pm - 12am after that small window its just yellow yellow yellow. On the odd day it will be all blue but then its yellow yellow. Im actually wondering if its the same people just faction jumping to farm AP with other characters.

Note: The few that do come on after work are still far too few. At one point we were popcapped but there was virtually nobody in cyrodil. not sure if thats a bug or if a ton of people wanting to farm telvar came on. (They should really split that instance off remove the doors and make a seperate queue seriously its messing with pop numbers for cyrodil).

JumpmanLane · August 2018

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Should I bring my SS from hours around 23:00-01:00 when DC is pop locked and AD and EP are not? aaand last month EP won the campaign.

Thats because a bunch of people jumped faction to EP + the influx of Pvers for the event. The event is the only reason EP won, the screenshot in the OP is exactly what its like when the event is not on. I rarely see EP pop locked properly till 8pm and that is only due to the fact that half of EPs pop is either AFK or usually farming telvar i.e not pvpers.

We win once in a year and that means it invalidates everything else right? lol in fact that was the first time we won in probably two years to be honest.

Roll EP on PC NA. We win every time (just about). We solo, 1vX, small man and Zerg only by accident. (There are no major Ball Zerglings to deal with).

AD sucks and DC TRYS hard but...well...they TRY. LOL.

heng14rwb17_ESO · August 2018

DO NOT ABANDONED AD.
WE NEED PURPLE FOR FUN AND ENTERTAINMENT !