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Lets talk about the dungeon queue..

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BeefyMrTips
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Where should we begin..

1. People were upset at those who were queueing as tanks when they were DPS, making dungeons horrible.
2. The fix was to only give one choice in role now..
3. Have you all lost your minds?

Nothing is fixed, but may be more broken now. The people who were queueing up as tanks before at least also queued up as DPS..

Now there is 0% chance of them getting pulled as a DPS now.. lmao which might have potentially saved an unsuspecting group before :D:D:D

GG
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  • DMuehlhausen
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    Again, not sure why people are really complaining. I've only ever had 1 true fake tank. When I called him out on it they left.

    But hey I gotta go, my queue just pop instantly as a healer.
  • VaranisArano
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    I think the idea was that by forcing these fake tanks who refuse to even slot a taunt to pick only one role, it removed even the plausible deniability of "Sorry, I though it put me in the DPS role" and thus makes it easier for groups to identify fake tanks and kick them if they wish.

    Now, that's not an effective solution as long as ZOS isn't prepared to mandate role requirements, but its probably the best we'll get for a while.
  • VaranisArano
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    DMuehlhausen wrote: »
    Again, not sure why people are really complaining. I've only ever had 1 true fake tank. When I called him out on it they left.

    But hey I gotta go, my queue just pop instantly as a healer.

    I complain, because I find it annoying to get a tank who expects that my healer will happily take boss aggro while healing the whole group.

    Unlike you, Ive never been lucky enough to have the fake tank leave or even slot a taunt when asked.
  • BeefyMrTips
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    DMuehlhausen wrote: »
    Again, not sure why people are really complaining. I've only ever had 1 true fake tank. When I called him out on it they left.

    But hey I gotta go, my queue just pop instantly as a healer.

    I agree completely, and I am not complaining about fake tanks, Im complaining about long queue times as a tank and a DPS now lol

    I leave if its something I cant do, but I am a DPS sorc who can tank a lot of Vet Dungeons with Inner Fire, I have a list that I don't do because I know it wont be possible. I do feel like garbage for having to do that but Id like to see people create instances to request certain roles and people be allowed to search for that type of run.

    Ex. You can choose to do the traditional run, 1 tank 1 hlr, 2 dps
    You can choose 3 DPS and 1 Hlr
    Heck you can even choose 4 tanks lmao why not?
    so on and so forth type of setup
    Edited by BeefyMrTips on August 29, 2018 8:59PM
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  • BeefyMrTips
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    Its 2018, stop forcing these labels on us!

    #leavebrittanyalone #blessed
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  • Starlock
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    I'm not sure I understand why the system was changed. Many players can dual role (or triple role) and the inability to select more than one role could lengthen queue times. We'll have to see if it does in practice.
  • Artim_X
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    Having the ability to queue up for multiple roles was mostly pointless, since the tank role would almost always be the role a person is chosen for, while the DPS role was the least likely role one would be selected for. This is why I stopped queuing for multiple roles long before the recent change, since I like to DPS and heal every now and then. Although the process of kicking people has not changed it feels a whole lot easier at least for me to justify initiating a kick.
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    • Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
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    • Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
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    • Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
    • Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
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    • Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
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    • Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
    • Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
    • Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
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    • Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
    • Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
    • PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
    • PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
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    • Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
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  • Finviuswe
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    VaranisArano wrote: »
    I think the idea was that by forcing these fake tanks who refuse to even slot a taunt to pick only one role, it removed even the plausible deniability of "Sorry, I though it put me in the DPS role" and thus makes it easier for groups to identify fake tanks and kick them if they wish.

    Now, that's not an effective solution as long as ZOS isn't prepared to mandate role requirements, but its probably the best we'll get for a while.

    Solid reasoning.

    I don't really want them to mandate role requirements and start making things feel stricter than they need to be.

    Fake tank queues in, group finds out, kick him. It's that simple. Reque and have a new tank within minutes.
  • BeefyMrTips
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    ESO_GOD wrote: »
    VaranisArano wrote: »
    I think the idea was that by forcing these fake tanks who refuse to even slot a taunt to pick only one role, it removed even the plausible deniability of "Sorry, I though it put me in the DPS role" and thus makes it easier for groups to identify fake tanks and kick them if they wish.

    Now, that's not an effective solution as long as ZOS isn't prepared to mandate role requirements, but its probably the best we'll get for a while.

    Solid reasoning.

    I don't really want them to mandate role requirements and start making things feel stricter than they need to be.

    Fake tank queues in, group finds out, kick him. It's that simple. Reque and have a new tank within minutes.

    But that's the problem, this doesn't fix anything, it just makes it stricter and bottlenecking every role, except healer. Leave it to the people to kick who they need to kick whether they are a dps being horrible at being a tank or a tank being a horrible tank, both should be kicked because they arent fulfilling the groups needs.

    The idea that this is justified because it takes away an excuse for an individual means nothing. If someone is bringing down the whole group, kick them if you want.
    Edited by BeefyMrTips on August 29, 2018 9:17PM
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  • Agenericname
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    VaranisArano wrote: »
    I think the idea was that by forcing these fake tanks who refuse to even slot a taunt to pick only one role, it removed even the plausible deniability of "Sorry, I though it put me in the DPS role" and thus makes it easier for groups to identify fake tanks and kick them if they wish.

    Now, that's not an effective solution as long as ZOS isn't prepared to mandate role requirements, but its probably the best we'll get for a while.

    Perhaps ZOS wanted to go the laissez faire route with this. They've given players the tools they need to identify and remove the fake roles if they wish and the choice to keep them while removing the ambiguity.

    I've got about 40 minutes to ponder this before my queue is up.

    Edited by Agenericname on August 29, 2018 9:19PM
  • Guppet
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    If your going to fake anything, fake heal. Almost the same queue as tanks, but less harmful to your group.

    Most genuine tanks who pug build for survival without a healer. They are used to it.
  • Jinchuu
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    Guppet wrote: »
    If your going to fake anything, fake heal. Almost the same queue as tanks, but less harmful to your group.

    No, just no.

    Unless you are willing to be a mindless sycophant and/or coddle others due to their insecurities prepare to be harrased by the Orwellian enforcers on these forums. You should also try to refrain from using any words more complex than those used by a small child due to the fact that said enforcers have made it clear that their vocabulary pool is aenemic.
  • Salvas_Aren
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    Fakepug as a tank with a real healer or damage healer.

    So you won't get kicked by all the kids who do it just because fake. Neither will your healer complain.

    Try to kick a noob below 160 while farming, all you hear is *we can do it*. Where goes *we can do it* when a faketank steps in?
  • Finviuswe
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    BeefyMrTips wrote: »
    ESO_GOD wrote: »
    VaranisArano wrote: »
    I think the idea was that by forcing these fake tanks who refuse to even slot a taunt to pick only one role, it removed even the plausible deniability of "Sorry, I though it put me in the DPS role" and thus makes it easier for groups to identify fake tanks and kick them if they wish.

    Now, that's not an effective solution as long as ZOS isn't prepared to mandate role requirements, but its probably the best we'll get for a while.

    Solid reasoning.

    I don't really want them to mandate role requirements and start making things feel stricter than they need to be.

    Fake tank queues in, group finds out, kick him. It's that simple. Reque and have a new tank within minutes.

    But that's the problem, this doesn't fix anything, it just makes it stricter and bottlenecking every role, except healer. Leave it to the people to kick who they need to kick whether they are a dps being horrible at being a tank or a tank being a horrible tank, both should be kicked because they arent fulfilling the groups needs.

    The idea that this is justified because it takes away an excuse for an individual means nothing. If someone is bringing down the whole group, kick them if you want.

    So, the problem is fake tanks are queing into dungeons at a noticeable frequency, and the desired solution is for that to no longer be possible.

    The problem is, it can be a little difficult to totally eliminate all fake tanks from the dungeon que.

    Thers the question of how do we properly define a tank. Can they only be doing so much damage. What if someone is just really bad at tanking, and is honestly trying their best, but is just not getting the job done and not fulfilling their role. Does that fall into the category of fake tank, too?

    So I think the way we have it now is more or less fine, in my opinion the problem is easily solved by kicking the fake tank and simply getting a new one.
  • Guppet
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    Jinchuu wrote: »
    Guppet wrote: »
    If your going to fake anything, fake heal. Almost the same queue as tanks, but less harmful to your group.

    No, just no.

    Yes, just yes.

    3 dps and one tank is by far more preffered than 3 dps one healer. It’s not even close.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422804/which-vet-dungeon-group-composition-is-preferred/p1
    Edited by Guppet on August 29, 2018 9:31PM
  • BeefyMrTips
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    ESO_GOD wrote: »
    BeefyMrTips wrote: »
    ESO_GOD wrote: »
    VaranisArano wrote: »
    I think the idea was that by forcing these fake tanks who refuse to even slot a taunt to pick only one role, it removed even the plausible deniability of "Sorry, I though it put me in the DPS role" and thus makes it easier for groups to identify fake tanks and kick them if they wish.

    Now, that's not an effective solution as long as ZOS isn't prepared to mandate role requirements, but its probably the best we'll get for a while.

    Solid reasoning.

    I don't really want them to mandate role requirements and start making things feel stricter than they need to be.

    Fake tank queues in, group finds out, kick him. It's that simple. Reque and have a new tank within minutes.

    But that's the problem, this doesn't fix anything, it just makes it stricter and bottlenecking every role, except healer. Leave it to the people to kick who they need to kick whether they are a dps being horrible at being a tank or a tank being a horrible tank, both should be kicked because they arent fulfilling the groups needs.

    The idea that this is justified because it takes away an excuse for an individual means nothing. If someone is bringing down the whole group, kick them if you want.

    So, the problem is fake tanks are queing into dungeons at a noticeable frequency, and the desired solution is for that to no longer be possible.

    The problem is, it can be a little difficult to totally eliminate all fake tanks from the dungeon que.

    Thers the question of how do we properly define a tank. Can they only be doing so much damage. What if someone is just really bad at tanking, and is honestly trying their best, but is just not getting the job done and not fulfilling their role. Does that fall into the category of fake tank, too?

    So I think the way we have it now is more or less fine, in my opinion the problem is easily solved by kicking the fake tank and simply getting a new one.

    The answer that is obvious to me is let the players handle it themselves, we should have free reign to kick whoever we want. Cant protect everyone even if they have good intentions if they are bringing down the group majorly even I will vote to kick
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  • VaranisArano
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    Salvas_Aren wrote: »
    Fakepug as a tank with a real healer or damage healer.

    So you won't get kicked by all the kids who do it just because fake. Neither will your healer complain.

    Try to kick a noob below 160 while farming, all you hear is *we can do it*. Where goes *we can do it* when a faketank steps in?

    We can do it, most of the time.

    But for me, at least, theres a world of difference between playing with a low level/low CP players who's new and may not be that good and playing with a fake tank who's refusing to do their job and thus deliberately making my job harder because I have to deal with tanking the boss on top of doing my job.

    For me, new players are learning. I can tolerate that. Fake tanks expect me to do their job. If I wanted to tank, I would have queued on my tank.
    Edited by VaranisArano on August 29, 2018 9:36PM
  • Ir0nB34r
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    I hate it when people fake queue as a tank because it makes me (a real tank) have to wait longer in the queue. Sometimes I have to wait a whole minute now!
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  • Salvas_Aren
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    BeefyMrTips wrote: »
    The answer that is obvious to me is let the players handle it themselves, we should have free reign to kick whoever we want. Cant protect everyone even if they have good intentions if they are bringing down the group majorly even I will vote to kick

    That meens bye bye to kick poll, no more ties 2 vs 2 and first kick first serve?

    Can't wait to see the kick wars. >:)
  • BeefyMrTips
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    Salvas_Aren wrote: »
    BeefyMrTips wrote: »
    The answer that is obvious to me is let the players handle it themselves, we should have free reign to kick whoever we want. Cant protect everyone even if they have good intentions if they are bringing down the group majorly even I will vote to kick

    That meens bye bye to kick poll, no more ties 2 vs 2 and first kick first serve?

    Can't wait to see the kick wars. >:)

    Lol I meant the players as a group, not the wild west :D
    Edited by BeefyMrTips on August 29, 2018 9:38PM
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  • Finviuswe
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    BeefyMrTips wrote: »
    ESO_GOD wrote: »
    BeefyMrTips wrote: »
    ESO_GOD wrote: »
    VaranisArano wrote: »
    I think the idea was that by forcing these fake tanks who refuse to even slot a taunt to pick only one role, it removed even the plausible deniability of "Sorry, I though it put me in the DPS role" and thus makes it easier for groups to identify fake tanks and kick them if they wish.

    Now, that's not an effective solution as long as ZOS isn't prepared to mandate role requirements, but its probably the best we'll get for a while.

    Solid reasoning.

    I don't really want them to mandate role requirements and start making things feel stricter than they need to be.

    Fake tank queues in, group finds out, kick him. It's that simple. Reque and have a new tank within minutes.

    But that's the problem, this doesn't fix anything, it just makes it stricter and bottlenecking every role, except healer. Leave it to the people to kick who they need to kick whether they are a dps being horrible at being a tank or a tank being a horrible tank, both should be kicked because they arent fulfilling the groups needs.

    The idea that this is justified because it takes away an excuse for an individual means nothing. If someone is bringing down the whole group, kick them if you want.

    So, the problem is fake tanks are queing into dungeons at a noticeable frequency, and the desired solution is for that to no longer be possible.

    The problem is, it can be a little difficult to totally eliminate all fake tanks from the dungeon que.

    Thers the question of how do we properly define a tank. Can they only be doing so much damage. What if someone is just really bad at tanking, and is honestly trying their best, but is just not getting the job done and not fulfilling their role. Does that fall into the category of fake tank, too?

    So I think the way we have it now is more or less fine, in my opinion the problem is easily solved by kicking the fake tank and simply getting a new one.

    The answer that is obvious to me is let the players handle it themselves, we should have free reign to kick whoever we want. Cant protect everyone even if they have good intentions if they are bringing down the group majorly even I will vote to kick

    Then, we are in agreement.

    I also believe players should be able to kick whoever they want, for whatever reason they want, as long as that is what the majority in the group decides.
  • weedgenius
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    Completely true. I did a random normal yesterday, of course got one of the new dlc dungeons, and our "tank" was a 500 cp mag sorc with a lightening staff on both bars that did not try to tank anything. Needless to say it didn't go well for us. It was extra insulting knowing that he made the choice to queue specifically as a tank with total disregard for the rest of his group.
    Edited by weedgenius on August 29, 2018 11:45PM
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  • LeagueTroll
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    Ir0nB34r wrote: »
    I hate it when people fake queue as a tank because it makes me (a real tank) have to wait longer in the queue. Sometimes I have to wait a whole minute now!

    Agreed. Not fair. And after non instant que. now I still have to deal with garbage dd. Why is this not solved. Real casuals don’t que vet.
  • LeagueTroll
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    Guppet wrote: »
    Jinchuu wrote: »
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    If your going to fake anything, fake heal. Almost the same queue as tanks, but less harmful to your group.

    No, just no.

    Yes, just yes.

    3 dps and one tank is by far more preffered than 3 dps one healer. It’s not even close.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422804/which-vet-dungeon-group-composition-is-preferred/p1

    Yes. 3 Real dd is def good, finish dungeon fadt. Problem is that most the time one of the 2 from que is complete trash.
  • LiberatorSam
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    Fake tanks are caused by fake dd, real tank was traumatized by low dps players queuing as dd and stop using DF with their real tanks. All it’s left are fake tanks. And what’s so bad about fake tanks? I fake tank all the time, doing 80% of the group dmg, sometimes 90%, never got kicked once. You don’t need taunts if you kill the boss before your team reaches you.
  • Silver_Strider
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    Got a Fake Tank doing normal MHK.
    18k Health, Dual Wield NB.

    Needless to say, he was immediately killed by the 1st boss and booted out of the group with no sign of hesitation by the rest of the group at all.
    Argonian forever
  • Heimpai
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    I haven’t found a match in ques in a couple months..tbh your problems aren’t bad, at least you can find ramdoms and aren’t forced to bother friends/guildies any time you want to do a dungeon

    Incase you’re wondering the ques were well over an hour before i gave up, no i won’t make a tank/healer as i don’t enjoy them

    Maybe the fake tanks refuse to put up with the bs que length for dd‘s
  • Jinchuu
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    Heimpai wrote: »
    I'm selfish and think that others should have to play utility charaters while I claim to be the hero they need while playing ezmode dps

    FTFY
    Unless you are willing to be a mindless sycophant and/or coddle others due to their insecurities prepare to be harrased by the Orwellian enforcers on these forums. You should also try to refrain from using any words more complex than those used by a small child due to the fact that said enforcers have made it clear that their vocabulary pool is aenemic.
  • Heimpai
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    Jinchuu wrote: »
    Heimpai wrote: »
    I'm selfish and think that others should have to play utility charaters while I claim to be the hero they need while playing ezmode dps

    FTFY

    Lmao think what you want..but notice how i haven’t pugged in months? Or did that escape your comprehension..i won’t be a fake tank/healer so i can’t pug..

    Yeah that makes me selfish alright, also this is my first mmo i kind of need ezmode
  • Jeremy
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    BeefyMrTips wrote: »
    Where should we begin..

    1. People were upset at those who were queueing as tanks when they were DPS, making dungeons horrible.
    2. The fix was to only give one choice in role now..
    3. Have you all lost your minds?

    Nothing is fixed, but may be more broken now. The people who were queueing up as tanks before at least also queued up as DPS..

    Now there is 0% chance of them getting pulled as a DPS now.. lmao which might have potentially saved an unsuspecting group before :D:D:D

    GG

    The situation seems to have improved some.

    I've only had one "fake tank" in the last week or so. Used to - I was lucky if I got into a single dungeon that didn't have one. So either I've just been lucky recently or this change did help to alleviate the problem. Or maybe all the exposure this issue was getting on the forums helped to discourage the practice.
    Edited by Jeremy on August 30, 2018 10:37AM
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